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Pardon me if this question has been asked before.

Following the tragic death of Detective Jerrod Shivers while serving a search warrant in Chesapeake, Virginia, there has been some discussion and debate about the use of so-called "no-knock, no-announce" warrants. (granted, details are still forthcoming on the Chesapeake case, and it is yet to be determined as to whether this warrant was served in this way) This follows cases in Atlanta (Kathryn Johnston) and Mississippi (Cory Maye), in which either police or citizens were killed in the course of warrant raids of this type.

I have a number of questions about these types of warrants. Specifically,
1) How often are these types of raids? Is it true that no-knock, no-announce warrant entries are common in many jurisdictions in drug cases? Who makes the decision about how the warrant is served? (judge? officers?) What criteria is used to make that decision?
2) What sort of precautions do officers take, in general and in cases in which a forcible entry is used in particular, to see that they are properly identified and announced to occupants of the dwelling as police and not burglars? Under what circumstances, if any, might officers not announce and identify themselves?
3) How do officers, in general feel about the risks present in this type of warrant service? Do no-knock warrants present risks to officers and civilians (including suspects)? How do these risks balance against whatever needs are served by such tactics? Who makes the determination on that balance?

Thank you for your time and responses, and for your service.

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No offense caltom, but your questions are kinda on the OPSEC side of things. Can you re-think your questions and try again?


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Cal Tom... its up to each individual Team/Jurisdiction on how they are served.. certain protocol for certain Incidents.. I wont elaborate any more as dsponder1980 has stated... We cannot divulge OPS info on this site.

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I understand the reason for the question. The answer is a matter of operational security of the officers and would put departmental policies for raids, ect in a open public forum for all to read, even the bad guys. It is not that we think you might misuse this information only that it is a closely guarded secret for the safety of all involved. The only way to answer this is to say there is a good amount of time spent going over the best approach and manner to serve warrants. There are several options to use and the entire situation is examined to determine the best one to use.


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i wonder if this question was asked for information with a guilty mind?


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In case you don't know what they mean, some things can't be spoken about for security and safety reasons (like protocol and specific department policy and procedures). Just one non-leo to another. Don't mean to butt into the LEO thread with an answer, but Tom should read http://policelink.monster.com/discussions/3-ask-a-cop/topics/4051-officer-safety-read-before-posting to understand why.


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Wow, you guys type faster than me, lmao. Apologies again.


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No-knocks have there place in police work, but must be used correctly. We have to justify a no-knock in the affidavit and have the judges approval before they will sign them. They are always executed by a full SWAT team.


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Here is an important white paper on "no-knock" raids.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476

The type of raids that Shivers died in are all too common, all too un-necessary, and as a result both innocent civilians and cops are dying.

the answer is not to keep increasing the use and power of these types of raids, but to decrease them. The of raid that Shivers died in shouldn't have ever happened.

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robscottw said:

Here is an important white paper on "no-knock" raids.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476

The type of raids that Shivers died in are all too common, all too un-necessary, and as a result both innocent civilians and cops are dying.

the answer is not to keep increasing the use and power of these types of raids, but to decrease them. The of raid that Shivers died in shouldn't have ever happened.

and i am sure that you have some sort of inside information at to this raid and what happened? i doubt it BUT if you do then enlighten us. i agree it shouldnt have happened, the idiot should have never shot at an officer.


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Rob, topo, court..... I see you are back.


Everyone........Just get over it.

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jakesdad said:

Rob, topo, court..... I see you are back.

yeah he is back running his mouth and hiding behind a new name. FRIGGIN COWARD!


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robscottw said:

Here is an important white paper on "no-knock" raids.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476

The type of raids that Shivers died in are all too common, all too un-necessary, and as a result both innocent civilians and cops are dying.

the answer is not to keep increasing the use and power of these types of raids, but to decrease them. The of raid that Shivers died in shouldn't have ever happened.

How would you know. You read this in a book?

All search warrant executions are dangerous, but you would not know this, because you have never done one. Just what we need is another civilian telling the cops how to do their job.


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Lets see, hmmmm. The Cato Institute is Promoting public policy based on individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peaceful international relations.


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i hope JIMROC and hcgale will read the white paper.

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robscottw said:

Here is an important white paper on "no-knock" raids.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476

The type of raids that Shivers died in are all too common, all too un-necessary, and as a result both innocent civilians and cops are dying.

the answer is not to keep increasing the use and power of these types of raids, but to decrease them. The of raid that Shivers died in shouldn't have ever happened.

Why don't you go back to LaLa land and piss someone else off.


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robscottw said:

i hope JIMROC and hcgale will read the white paper.

why dont ya come by the office and drop me off a copy


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robscottw said:

i hope JIMROC and hcgale will read the white paper.

Pass me some of that white paper, there's none in this stall


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I have executed over a thousand search warrants. I don't think I need some piss-ant telling me how to do my job. So take your so called "White paper" and wipe with it.


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JIMROC's attitude is one of the reasons that Shivers died needlessly.

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hcgale said:

i wonder if this question was asked for information with a guilty mind?

Yeah, CalTom is probably running a meth lab in his kitchen and wants to know under what circumstances would he have unexpected guests for dinner.

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robscottw....the best part of you was left on your parents bed sheets! i am done with this idiot!


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robscottw said:

JIMROC's attitude is one of the reasons that Shivers died needlessly.

There is nothing wrong with my attitude. I teach search warrant execution, and you have no idea what you are even talking about. You are some wannabe who has no knowledge of Law Enforcement, who thinks he can come in here and tell us how we should do something. Well I am here to tell you, that you are so full of shit your eyes have to be brown. So go away before I really get pissed off.


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You have no right here, and no right to comment on the death of a fellow Officer, and how he died. This Officer died protecting your ass. We will deal with this issue, not you. If you want to see my attitude, just keep it up jerk.


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Robscottw is a waste of skin. Why were you born again?

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formerladycop said:

Robscottw is a waste of skin. Why were you born again?

Four differnt identities = Foreskin?

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formerladycop said:

Robscottw is a waste of skin. Why were you born again?

Four differnt identities = Foreskin?

Of course!

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robscottw said:

JIMROC's attitude is one of the reasons that Shivers died needlessly.

It's assholes like you that keeps me doing my job, and sooner or later you will mess up and I will be standing there when you do. I am done with you for now. I have better things to do than talk to the wall.


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Good examples of cops here I'm sure. JIMROC teaches but has no desire to expand his knowledge, ok, thats reassuring.

btw, Shivers died serving a warrant for which no drugs have been found. Don't know how that qualifies as saving my ass. And the cops that killed the 92 y/o woman in Atlanta (http://www.alternet.org/story/51151/), who's ass were they saving?

But I can see there is no point in this either. I know now why its called "law enforcement" and not "criminal justice" (as when I was in school) - the cops today are interested in the former, not the latter, and its a distinction most don't seem to understand.

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robscottw said:

i hope JIMROC and hcgale will read the white paper.

First, I suggest that you try to become a Police Officer to see if you can hack it. Second, do not come into our home, throw shit in our face and tell us it's ice cream, we don't appreciate it. Thirdly, this Cato Institute which you are quoting sure as hell gives me the impression it is anti-police and anti-government. And finally, walk a mile in our shoes before you pass judgment. You are here for one reason...to start trouble.

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