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No-knock warrants - dangerous?
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Posted over 2 years ago Pardon me if this question has been asked before. Following the tragic death of Detective Jerrod Shivers while serving a search warrant in Chesapeake, Virginia, there has been some discussion and debate about the use of so-called "no-knock, no-announce" warrants. (granted, details are still forthcoming on the Chesapeake case, and it is yet to be determined as to whether this warrant was served in this way) This follows cases in Atlanta (Kathryn Johnston) and Mississippi (Cory Maye), in which either police or citizens were killed in the course of warrant raids of this type. I have a number of questions about these types of warrants. Specifically,
Thank you for your time and responses, and for your service. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago No offense caltom, but your questions are kinda on the OPSEC side of things. Can you re-think your questions and try again? behindthevest.com |
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| Posted over 2 years ago Cal Tom... its up to each individual Team/Jurisdiction on how they are served.. certain protocol for certain Incidents.. I wont elaborate any more as dsponder1980 has stated... We cannot divulge OPS info on this site. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago I understand the reason for the question. The answer is a matter of operational security of the officers and would put departmental policies for raids, ect in a open public forum for all to read, even the bad guys. It is not that we think you might misuse this information only that it is a closely guarded secret for the safety of all involved. The only way to answer this is to say there is a good amount of time spent going over the best approach and manner to serve warrants. There are several options to use and the entire situation is examined to determine the best one to use. For so long as one hundred men remain alive, we shall never under any conditions submit to the domination of the English. It is not for glory or riches or honours that we fight, but only for liberty, which no good man will consent to lose but with his life. The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320 SCREW TIBET FREE SCOTLAND !!!! |
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| Posted over 2 years ago i wonder if this question was asked for information with a guilty mind? MODERATOR #7 |
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| Posted over 2 years ago In case you don't know what they mean, some things can't be spoken about for security and safety reasons (like protocol and specific department policy and procedures). Just one non-leo to another. Don't mean to butt into the LEO thread with an answer, but Tom should read http://policelink.monster.com/discussions/3-ask-a-cop/topics/4051-officer-safety-read-before-posting to understand why. Work Hard. Play Hard. Live Well. www.thejokerspub.com |
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| Posted over 2 years ago Wow, you guys type faster than me, lmao. Apologies again. Work Hard. Play Hard. Live Well. www.thejokerspub.com |
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| Posted over 2 years ago No-knocks have there place in police work, but must be used correctly. We have to justify a no-knock in the affidavit and have the judges approval before they will sign them. They are always executed by a full SWAT team. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago Here is an important white paper on "no-knock" raids. http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476 The type of raids that Shivers died in are all too common, all too un-necessary, and as a result both innocent civilians and cops are dying. the answer is not to keep increasing the use and power of these types of raids, but to decrease them. The of raid that Shivers died in shouldn't have ever happened. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago robscottw said: and i am sure that you have some sort of inside information at to this raid and what happened? i doubt it BUT if you do then enlighten us. i agree it shouldnt have happened, the idiot should have never shot at an officer. MODERATOR #7 |
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| Posted over 2 years ago Rob, topo, court..... I see you are back. Everyone........Just get over it. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago jakesdad said: yeah he is back running his mouth and hiding behind a new name. FRIGGIN COWARD! MODERATOR #7 |
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| Posted over 2 years ago robscottw said: How would you know. You read this in a book? All search warrant executions are dangerous, but you would not know this, because you have never done one. Just what we need is another civilian telling the cops how to do their job. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago Lets see, hmmmm. The Cato Institute is Promoting public policy based on individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peaceful international relations. Everyone........Just get over it. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago i hope JIMROC and hcgale will read the white paper. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago robscottw said: Why don't you go back to LaLa land and piss someone else off. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago robscottw said: why dont ya come by the office and drop me off a copy MODERATOR #7 |
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| Posted over 2 years ago robscottw said: Pass me some of that white paper, there's none in this stall Ne conjugare nobiscum. There's no "I" in team... But there's two in idiot. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago I have executed over a thousand search warrants. I don't think I need some piss-ant telling me how to do my job. So take your so called "White paper" and wipe with it. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago JIMROC's attitude is one of the reasons that Shivers died needlessly. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago hcgale said: Yeah, CalTom is probably running a meth lab in his kitchen and wants to know under what circumstances would he have unexpected guests for dinner. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago robscottw....the best part of you was left on your parents bed sheets! i am done with this idiot! MODERATOR #7 |
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| Posted over 2 years ago robscottw said: There is nothing wrong with my attitude. I teach search warrant execution, and you have no idea what you are even talking about. You are some wannabe who has no knowledge of Law Enforcement, who thinks he can come in here and tell us how we should do something. Well I am here to tell you, that you are so full of shit your eyes have to be brown. So go away before I really get pissed off. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago You have no right here, and no right to comment on the death of a fellow Officer, and how he died. This Officer died protecting your ass. We will deal with this issue, not you. If you want to see my attitude, just keep it up jerk. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago Robscottw is a waste of skin. Why were you born again? |
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| Posted over 2 years ago formerladycop said: Four differnt identities = Foreskin? |
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| Posted over 2 years ago Hosnegotiator said: Of course! |
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| Posted over 2 years ago robscottw said: It's assholes like you that keeps me doing my job, and sooner or later you will mess up and I will be standing there when you do. I am done with you for now. I have better things to do than talk to the wall. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago Good examples of cops here I'm sure. JIMROC teaches but has no desire to expand his knowledge, ok, thats reassuring. btw, Shivers died serving a warrant for which no drugs have been found. Don't know how that qualifies as saving my ass. And the cops that killed the 92 y/o woman in Atlanta (http://www.alternet.org/story/51151/), who's ass were they saving? But I can see there is no point in this either. I know now why its called "law enforcement" and not "criminal justice" (as when I was in school) - the cops today are interested in the former, not the latter, and its a distinction most don't seem to understand. |
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| Posted over 2 years ago robscottw said: First, I suggest that you try to become a Police Officer to see if you can hack it. Second, do not come into our home, throw shit in our face and tell us it's ice cream, we don't appreciate it. Thirdly, this Cato Institute which you are quoting sure as hell gives me the impression it is anti-police and anti-government. And finally, walk a mile in our shoes before you pass judgment. You are here for one reason...to start trouble. |




