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Soo, this topic was posted in the LEO section and I have yet to earn the ability to see that content. I hope this repost does not annoy anyone!


If you were a Chief, would you hire someone straight from college or the military? (I am currently in my final year of college.)


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Depends entirely on the candidate.


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i have asked this question numerous times and the answer i got was... "in the law enforcement world veteren status and a 2year college degree are weighted equall. If you really want to shine above the rest get a 4year degree"

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Depends entirely on the candidate.



Exactly!


I've seen former Military and College grads excel and bomb.  I've seen recruits with just a HS diploma outdo both.  Just depends on the person.


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Hello,


Soo, this topic was posted in the LEO section and I have yet to earn the ability to see that content. I hope this repost does not annoy anyone!


If you were a Chief, would you hire someone straight from college or the military? (I am currently in my final year of college.)


Thank you!


 


I'm not annoyed   I applaud your enthusiasm lol good luck in your future endeavor of LE.


 



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personally I prefer ex military, which is what I said in the previous thread, but dont be dismayed as your in school However, you need to work school to your advantage, as, do honors classes, join a peer group, write a good research paper on some aspect of policing, perhaps work in a cohort with other cj students, and of course, see if you can intern, there is a lot of internships open to students which close once you graduate. I beleive the fbi has a internship, as well as the cia etc, that you might apply for.

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toutvabien says ...



Hello,


Soo, this topic was posted in the LEO section and I have yet to earn the ability to see that content. I hope this repost does not annoy anyone!


If you were a Chief, would you hire someone straight from college or the military? (I am currently in my final year of college.)


Thank you!


 


I'm not annoyed   I applaud your enthusiasm lol good luck in your future endeavor of LE.


 


I agree with Suzanne...I think the fact that you reposted this shows enthusiasm, determination, and problem solving skills.



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I agree with PETE114,


I believe that is true, I tested in Aug 2009 with both candidates from college and the military...i was bumped out before the oral interview process.. I PT tested with 30 people most were straight out of the military and during the Mile and half run..they fell well behind myself and one other person, I placed second at 10 mins and 48 secs. Some of them were at 15 and almost at the disqualifying time before they finished. I was told by the recuriter that i didnt advance forward to the oral interview because of the military background in most of the candidates...


 


 


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jlu492 says ...



Depends entirely on the candidate.



Exactly!


I've seen former Military and College grads excel and bomb.  I've seen recruits with just a HS diploma outdo both.  Just depends on the person.


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personally I prefer ex military, which is what I said in the previous thread, but dont be dismayed as your in school However, you need to work school to your advantage, as, do honors classes, join a peer group, write a good research paper on some aspect of policing, perhaps work in a cohort with other cj students, and of course, see if you can intern, there is a lot of internships open to students which close once you graduate. I beleive the fbi has a internship, as well as the cia etc, that you might apply for.



You and me both prefer ex military

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A department takes all sorts. It depends on the needs of the department.

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All thing else being equal I would opt for the Military person. Understand that it is VERY seldom all things else are equal.

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What about ex military with a bachelors? Also does it have to be a bachelors in LE? I will be enlisting into the national guard on october 1st and want to get at least a bachelors in psychology. However I want to work in LE either as a detective or federal agent, which I know I would have to work hard for both.

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Aj, I would recommend a degree in something other than LE. All degrees look good on an application, but you can only use a CJ degree for LE or something similar. If you find LE is not for you, you could use that Psych degree for some other career.

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Aj, I would recommend a degree in something other than LE. All degrees look good on an application, but you can only use a CJ degree for LE or something similar. If you find LE is not for you, you could use that Psych degree for some other career.


that is exactly my plan. My dream is working for the fbi and a psych degree is more valuable than le in their eyes. The military will provide me with leadership skills and discipline that will look good on my resume. If I have a bachelors in psych and work for the PD would i still be eligible for promotions to detective?

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Short Answer...........Military


Long Answer............Military


 


Deja vu..................HUMMM...................ALMOST and identical thread on the boards at the same time..............makes answers easy ..........(copy / paste)


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Short Answer...........Military


Long Answer............Military


 


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Aj, I would recommend a degree in something other than LE. All degrees look good on an application, but you can only use a CJ degree for LE or something similar. If you find LE is not for you, you could use that Psych degree for some other career.


that is exactly my plan. My dream is working for the fbi and a psych degree is more valuable than le in their eyes. The military will provide me with leadership skills and discipline that will look good on my resume. If I have a bachelors in psych and work for the PD would i still be eligible for promotions to detective?

I would think that you could still be promoted. A lot of trainings and schools are available to certify officers in different fields. You can go to schools for about anything LE related. For detective, Crime scene, evidence collection, interview and interrogation among others would be good. The department pays for them, and you get credits toward POST certificates. It is comparable to continuing education for teachers.

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klamm143 says ...



Short Answer...........Military


Long Answer............Military


 


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First of all - although I am in law enforcement, I am not yet involved in the hiring process, other than an occasional assistant in the physical testing portion.


That being said - every applicant is reviewed based on individual merit, not compared to other appplicants.  First, check to see if minimum qualifications are met.  If they are, then they come to test - physical or written is usually first.  If an applicant passes that, then maybe to oral or background.  At the oral, answers may be compared to get the best applicant, not just someone who knows the "right" answers.  The background tells alot about a person - personality, work history, attitudes, etc etc etc.  These are all individual attributes and cannot be compared to others.


As for preference to military or college - each has its own place in a department.  When I first got into law enforcement, I was one of only a couple who had college.  Many had military, and the majority had nothing.  I had no problems with the reports and computer work, while the military guys tended to have trouble putting together prosecution files.


Now, in my current job, I have seen military people come in and have no problems with computers.  I've also seen them not be able to turn on a computer.  Personally, I would prefer either over someone with nothing.  I can teach someone how to work a computer.  I can teach someone tactics.  But I can't teach someone who is competely clueless and has no drive.  Having gone to college or served in the military builds drive and determination.


Also - just as a side note - I think how a person went to college should be considered.  Did "mommy and daddy" pay for school, car, insurance, all living expenses while kiddo partied his/her way through?  Or did kiddo pay at least part, work hard, and took the classes seriously as a part of his/her future?  That shows personality and attitude.  If I had to choose between a person who had college handed to him/her and partied through (as evidence by grades usually) and a person who paid for it and worked for decent grades, I would prefer the person who worked for their college.  If the choice was between the person who worked for college and a person who served in the military - I would have to look at other factors to "break the tie."  But that's just me.


And I agree completely with getting a degree in something other than criminal justice to start with.  My first degree was in history/political science, which has served me somewhat well.  But I am now working on a degree in CJ, with plans for advanced degrees after I finish in other areas.  Many agencies are requiring degrees of some kind for advancement beyond a certain level.  I'm not sure about federal, but it seems like FBI and CIA both require a degree just to apply - and they prefer degrees other than CJ.  Someone else here may know more about those requirements.


Sorry this is so long....

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I think as most do it would all depend on the candidate.  While it is exciting to see all of the police chases and "catching the bad guys" law enforcment is not for everyone.  I don't think most really know until they get in that dangerous situation and how they react.  It is easy to say I would do this or that but no one, and I mean no one, actually knows until they are in that situation of life or death.

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All things being equal and if the deciding factor was college or military....I'd choose military.  You can find plenty of knuckleheads in either group.  It seems there are fewer  problems from military as it applies to LE.


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This is a very good question. What about a military officer? I find former military personnel easier to work with. I have seen many young applicants with a degree and no military experience have a know it all attitude.

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I'm proir military (9 years USAF), have college (9 units shy of AA, but working towards that right now), and I have recently graduated an academy and I still can't land a LE career here in CA.

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I'm proir military (9 years USAF), have college (9 units shy of AA, but working towards that right now), and I have recently graduated an academy and I still can't land a LE career here in CA.



WELL.......thanks for your service and keep slingin' mud...............some of it will stick - somewhere - and here's hoping it's soon for you my friend.


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I'm proir military (9 years USAF), have college (9 units shy of AA, but working towards that right now), and I have recently graduated an academy and I still can't land a LE career here in CA.



Start applying to federal LE agencies like VA Police and Department of the Army Police, spread your search to agencies in other states. And take notice of the agencies that are not city/county/campus agencies...there are police agencies out there most people never see. And dont be afraid to move out of state.

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I'm proir military (9 years USAF), have college (9 units shy of AA, but working towards that right now), and I have recently graduated an academy and I still can't land a LE career here in CA.



Well there ya go Jake, the problem is that you are in Calif where the military is not looked upon that favorably. As others have said, expand your horizons. Fine somewhere in the USA that you would like to live and apply in those areas. You have the best of both worlds being prior military as well as having higher education. I give high marks to ex-military as being a cop is very much like the military in the structure of command, dress and appearance and especially discipline.

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Klamm143 I'm slinging about as much mud as I can, lol seems as if the economy keeps scraping it off the walls.


PSD team leader/ Robocop33 I've actually looked into out of state departments, is the a source i could tap that would tell me what states would honor CA POST training? I would love to relocate to Texas, I hear tell they like prior military.

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Klamm143 I'm slinging about as much mud as I can, lol seems as if the economy keeps scraping it off the walls.


PSD team leader/ Robocop33 I've actually looked into out of state departments, is the a source i could tap that would tell me what states would honor CA POST training? I would love to relocate to Texas, I hear tell they like prior military.



This is an ultra patriotic state, and not only do the people love the military but law enforcement worships the military out here. I have no doubts I made special operations LE so quickly because of my military service and record.

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Those of you who would prefer military, what departments do you work for?!?! I applied and tested and passed and they hired family members or drinking buddies. Told them that they are missing out on one hell of a cop! I digress. Seriously, I'm a vagabond who can move where a good job is on a good department.




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