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 How are the series and grade related to salary range. For example, in this vacancy announcement, the salary range advertised is between $38k and $62k and the grades are between 5 and 7. Where is the cut off for 5 and 7? In other words, I'm guessing $38k is the starting salary for grade 5 and $62k is for grade 7? If there is a co relation between salary and grade, what is it? 


Also would like to know how much starting salaries change once you are hired (i.e., shift differentials, locality pay, etc.)?


 

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That information is available to the public and agencies are different. Call and axe

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 uncledennis1: Instead of trying to get a hold of a bureaucrat  (one that could actually answer my question-after playing phone tag for 15 minutes) I decided to try my luck here, seeing as there are people who are actually employed with the Feds and can give me a no non sense answer. Thanks anyway.

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Okay I understand. In my state there are no grade levels. The fed government is different.

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If it is a fed job then it is probable a GS-5 thru GS-7. These are pay bands that have steps between bands. Each step has a different pay level also. You can literally be a GS5 step 10 and make more than a GS 6 step 1.


Fed have a different pay system they are starting to use also but a 5-7 on that scale would make much more than what you wrote.


here is a good link. http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html


hope it helps.

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The best place to look for the differences in the GS scale is www.opm.gov On the right side of the page there is a pay table link.  The difference in the pays by locality etc will be listed there.  Police have a special pay rate in many areas, Law Enforcement is also different. If you are looking at  a job that is not police/LE related you would be looking at the locality pay in the area you are at.  The series # identifies the job or jobs you would be looking at.  For example a GS-0083-05 would be a police officer (0083) getting paid at the GS-5 level. The step is also where in the pay scale you are at.  steps are increased through the years with step 10 being the maximum after a period of 18 years if you start at step 1.  A 0085 series is security guard, 1811 is criminal investigator, etc etc etc...PM if you want more.


As far as differentials go...6pm - 6am in the GS system gives 10% differential, Working Sundays is 25%. Holiday is either time off or double time, OT is at the standard time and a half.  When considering the differentials you should know that a midnighter will get "double" Sunday premium.  If your shift starts at 10pm saturday night and ends at 6am Sunday morning you would get 25% for the whole shift.  If you then started work at 10pm on Sunday night and worked until 6am Monday morning you would get Sunday premium for that time as well.


Any questions feel free to PM me and I will do what I can to answer your questions. 


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 norman and tjl, these are excellent responses, I thank you both. My concern, naturally, deals with pay. In my present job, I average in the high $40's to low $50's, with overtime. No significant shift differential and OT rates are time and a half. Also, the areas where these Fed jobs are, housing is pretty expensive. In other words, I'm curious / cautious as to my ability to earn enough money in these jobs, that I don't have to live in a trailer park or get food stamps. Why, you ask, would I want to leave my present high paying job? Well, I work for an airline with looming labor problems. We have not had a raise in over 7 years. The industry itself is not too stable, despite all the fare increases you see. You didn't see these years ago, yet, we were well remunerated and everyone was happy. Now the only happy people are the exec's who award themselves bonuses. Sorry to go off in a tangent here but I'm sure some of you were wondering.

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 norman and tjl, these are excellent responses, I thank you both.


uncledennis1: Instead of trying to get a hold of a bureaucrat  (one that could actually answer my question-after playing phone tag for 15 minutes) I decided to try my luck here, seeing as there are people who are actually employed with the Feds and can give me a no non sense answer. Thanks anyway.


 



The Chief gave you some legititimate advice. You should be a little more respectful.

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gcopter says ...



 norman and tjl, these are excellent responses, I thank you both.


uncledennis1: Instead of trying to get a hold of a bureaucrat  (one that could actually answer my question-after playing phone tag for 15 minutes) I decided to try my luck here, seeing as there are people who are actually employed with the Feds and can give me a no non sense answer. Thanks anyway.


 



The Chief gave you some legititimate advice. You should be a little more respectful.


Ummm, where was I disrespectful? uncledennis1 himself realized his answer wasn't what I was looking for. I simply pointed that out to him. Didn't feel I was disrespectful at all. With all due respect...chief.


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elaken says ...



gcopter says ...



 norman and tjl, these are excellent responses, I thank you both.


uncledennis1: Instead of trying to get a hold of a bureaucrat  (one that could actually answer my question-after playing phone tag for 15 minutes) I decided to try my luck here, seeing as there are people who are actually employed with the Feds and can give me a no non sense answer. Thanks anyway.


 



The Chief gave you some legititimate advice. You should be a little more respectful.


Ummm, where was I disrespectful? uncledennis1 himself realized his answer wasn't what I was looking for. I simply pointed that out to him. Didn't feel I was disrespectful at all. With all due respect...chief.




Your posts seemed unappreciative toward Uncledennis, maybe I misinterpreted. If I did, you have my apologies.

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The GS positions are highly prized by the civilians I work with. I have worked with alot of GS and from my discussions with them I understand the following...


Once you receive a grade level it becomes extremely hard for the gov to reduce you. They have many many hoops to jump through to prevent your steady rise through the steps and once given a grade level it is yours regardless of what duties you perform. As a co-worker put it....They can change his job to pushing a broom if they don't like his work but he would be the highest paid janitor you ever saw.


Good thing about GS is if you relocate the grade level moves with you. Wish you luck

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If it is a fed job then it is probable a GS-5 thru GS-7. These are pay bands that have steps between bands. Each step has a different pay level also. You can literally be a GS5 step 10 and make more than a GS 6 step 1.


Fed have a different pay system they are starting to use also but a 5-7 on that scale would make much more than what you wrote.


here is a good link. http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html


hope it helps.


norman, I'm fascinated by the GS5-Step 10 / GS6-Step 1 remark. If this is so, why would a GS5 want to advance to GS6? To reach step 10 and make more than step 10 GS5? Or is there any other incentive? Is the advance between grades automatic or you have to put in for it? Appreciate it if you do know the answers. Thanks.


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normanhaner says ...



If it is a fed job then it is probable a GS-5 thru GS-7. These are pay bands that have steps between bands. Each step has a different pay level also. You can literally be a GS5 step 10 and make more than a GS 6 step 1.


Fed have a different pay system they are starting to use also but a 5-7 on that scale would make much more than what you wrote.


here is a good link. http://www.fedjobs.com/pay/pay.html


hope it helps.


norman, I'm fascinated by the GS5-Step 10 / GS6-Step 1 remark. If this is so, why would a GS5 want to advance to GS6? To reach step 10 and make more than step 10 GS5? Or is there any other incentive? Is the advance between grades automatic or you have to put in for it? Appreciate it if you do know the answers. Thanks.




My understanding is that you can lose step levels if you switch positions but you don't lose grade levels. And the higher grade levels (GS10 and up) often have better perks like allowence for housing, relocation, COLA....The advancement between grades is not automatic and may not exist at the location you apply and would require you relocate to another community.

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Let me try to explain...Your initial GS level is set by a grading system set by OPM.  A certain number of points are given for each of the things you are supposed to do. This would set the job you are entering into at a GS level.  This is where the GS level starts.  Agencies within the government can then lower the GS level if there are not enough "qualified" candidates at the graded level.  By doing this they can bring in the number of employee's they need.  After a year they can then advance to the next GS level.  This is referred to as targeting.  The GS grade increases are automatic based on time in grade (or one year of specialized experience at the next lower grade level). When the pay starts at a GS 7 level, a grade can be skipped sometimes.  Certain agencies will hire as GS7,9,11 with promotion potential to 12.  What this means is you would work at the 7 level for a year, then 9, then 11 each for a year.  The next level would require you to have to apply for the position and get promoted into it.  Targeting is for the worker bee's and the promotable is for the leads and supervisors.  


Norman is right that the pay scale could give you more as a 5 step 10 than a 6-1.  The way they do this is usually 2 steps down for a grade up.  EG: 5 step 7 promoted to a GS 6 would be a 6 step 5.  If its targeting then you'd go 5-1 to 6-1 etc. On the other hand, if you go backwards that may change as well.  Lets say you are employed at BFE as a GS-6 step 7 and decide you and your family wants to move to Shangrila. You apply and get a GS5 position. The gov may then bring you in as a 5 step 10 to match your pay as closely as possible.


As a generalization Norman is also right about never losing pay in the Gov.  There are exceptions to this.  If the job you are in is outsourced and you retreat into a different position which is graded at a lower GS level then you would maintain your current pay for 2 years.  After that you would be brought down to the pay that the job is graded at.  The reason for this is to give you 2 years to try and apply for something to maintain your current standard of living.  The gov doesn't like to fire or unemploy so they do everything possible to keep you gainfully employed without losing your standard of living. 


As far as moving and the grade level moving with you, that is only if the grade level is available in the job series you are in.  EG: If you are a police officer at a GS6 level with DACP at Ft Bliss and want to relocate to SAn Diego Navy Base you may only be able to hire in as a GS5.  Your pay would then have the potential to go down depending on the step level you were at.   


Locality pay does not transfer either.  As a GS 5 step 5 at one place with a locality pay of 25%  you would maintain the GS5 step 5 going to the next place but if they only had a 15% locality you would lose the 10% in locality pay and vice versa if you went to a higher locality location. 


Also you will find that GS levels are different depending on the agency you work for even if the work is the same.  No explaination as to why this is, can only say thats government for you.


Hope this hasn't confused you too much.  I'll elaborate more if you are still wondering.


 


 


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Its nice to know that my civilian friends didn't give me BS info...:)   I would follow tjlgpd02 info....it sounds first hand knowledge vs my second hand info...Its complicated....but what did you expect....the Government set it up. Hope we all helped you.