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I had a WTF moment, would like some input from anyone that carries the x26

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Hello, I had an incident today where a guy broke into an apartment. My partner and I went to the door and after about 5 min of pounding on the door, the guy answered. We recognized the guy as the same person who yesterday was reported to be walking around with a sawed off shotgun in a red dufflebag. as soon as we recognized him, we seen a red dufflebag in the floor next to him. We drew down on him and ordered him away from the bag and down on the ground. He moved away from the bag but refused to comply any further and at on point made an agrresive move towards my partner. I transitioned from my weapon to my taser and ordered him again to the ground, when he refused I fired my taser and the probes hit him, one about an inch below his sternum and one about a1/2 inch below his bellyutton and to the left. All that happened is he said oww and grabed the wires ripped them out and took of running towards a back bedroom where he tried to go out the window, when he seen our other partner outside he came back in. We struggled a little bit with him and I drive stunned him and all that seemed to do was piss him off to where he fought harder. Eventually we got him detained, but  WTF. has this ever happened to any of you. I had a good connection because the taser was not loud through the cycle. anyway this is the first time that it didnt work for me and just wanted to know if this has happened to anyone else. Thanks for reading

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Check your batteries.

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I had an incident kind of like yours.  The battery was showing a full charge, but there was something wrong with the circut board in the taser.  Give Taser International a call and talk to a tech on the phone.  Until then I would not use it.  Turn it off and then back on, and see if it cycles correctly.  Mine was giving and error cope, but would still fire.  Don't know why they do that, had to send mine in to Taser to get repaired.


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I would test it w/o a cartridge on, see if it sparks correctly, also what charge does your display show, as taser recomments replacing the battery when it gets to 20%.  Like Shock said, i have never seen anyone 'shrug off' a taser shock, or be able to pull the probes out when the taser is cycling, given that there is a good connection with the probes.

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As a recruit, I saw one of my classmates darted in the back. He didn't drop, nor was he incapacitated. He was clearly experiencing some pain, but not enough to stop him from running, being aggressive etc.


This exact same taser was used on the rest of the recruits, all with the desired result. The operator is a very experienced officer and head taser instructor for my Service. A new cartridge was used, with the same negative results. Turns out the guy was just able to tolerate it. A week later he laughed while being OC sprayed. Guess he just had a really high pain tolerance.

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Batteries low.........


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Actually, while I have never encountered the problem since our department does not carry a taser yet, we do however train with the X-26 during our tri-mester training with the sheriff's department.  Pulling the darts is a practice that is being learned in the prisons and can be very disconcerting for the officer/deputy who has become accustomed to the taser working as advertised.  A question I have when you say that you "drive stunned" the suspect which also just seemed to piss him off even more was the technique you used.  For example, did you just drive in the taser and let go with several charges or did you "rock" the electrodes back and forth?  We are trained to do the latter which has been found to be more effective.  That being said, I would still check to see if said taser unit might be defective and in need of service or replacement.  Also, I would say that as generally effective as the taser and other tools that we carry on our bat belt are, short of lethal force, nothing is an absolute.


Glad you and your partner got the POS and that you guys were not hurt in the process.

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ShockUSMC87 says ...



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Actually, while I have never encountered the problem since our department does not carry a taser yet, we do however train with the X-26 during our tri-mester training with the sheriff's department.  Pulling the darts is a practice that is being learned in the prisons and can be very disconcerting for the officer/deputy who has become accustomed to the taser working as advertised.  A question I have when you say that you "drive stunned" the suspect which also just seemed to piss him off even more was the technique you used.  For example, did you just drive in the taser and let go with several charges or did you "rock" the electrodes back and forth?  We are trained to do the latter which has been found to be more effective.  That being said, I would still check to see if said taser unit might be defective and in need of service or replacement.  Also, I would say that as generally effective as the taser and other tools that we carry on our bat belt are, short of lethal force, nothing is an absolute.


Glad you and your partner got the POS and that you guys were not hurt in the process.



Rocking the taser during a drive stun is only effective if a probe is still attached. The point of that is to only have one connecter touch at the front end of the taser, therefore it will travel to the other probe and create a nuero muscular incapitictation vs. just pain complinance. The reason is cause either at the end of the taser if there is no cartrdige or at the end of the cartidridge there are two metal connects which also emit voltage, well if both metal connects touch, then the volatge only travels between them, which is a very very short distance, just causing pain and extreme disconfort as where if at least one probe is still connected good and u are able to rock the taser, then the electricty trvels from one point to the next, which would be the probe at least 4 inches away if u do it as trained to create the NMI. With this guy pulling the probes out, it wouldnt work either way and they had to rely on pain complinance.



Still......... we should not allow ourselves to be so complacent to believe that all of our tools will work as advertised just because the box says it works, because as I stated, nothing is absolute or otherwise 100%.  BTW, this is NOT to accuse the OP as being complacent in that it appeared that he and his partner fell right back onto their training and took the suspect into custody.

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As a recruit, I saw one of my classmates darted in the back. He didn't drop, nor was he incapacitated. He was clearly experiencing some pain, but not enough to stop him from running, being aggressive etc.


This exact same taser was used on the rest of the recruits, all with the desired result. The operator is a very experienced officer and head taser instructor for my Service. A new cartridge was used, with the same negative results. Turns out the guy was just able to tolerate it. A week later he laughed while being OC sprayed. Guess he just had a really high pain tolerance.



I think the taser company would be interested in yoiur classmate, I have never encountered anyone who could withstand a properly functioning taser with good connections.

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I haven't operated or been trained in Tasers but I did find this video on PL.  Towards the end of the video a guy fights through a Taser cycle that lands perfectly.


policelink.monster.com/videos/videos/24317-taser-does-not-stop-police-lieutenant-


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Well, it happened to me once. The problem was that I fired when close to the person, so the spread wasn't that great. The larger the spread and larger the muscle mass, the more effective the taser is. If you had a good spread, maybe the guy was fat, and it didn't get to the muscles. If he had loose or thick clothing on, it could have lessened the effect.


Did he reach for the wires after the 5 second ride, or was it during? If it was during, you didn't have a good connection. If it was after, another dose of 50, 000 volts would have helped.

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I have never seen anyone "fight through" a good hit from a taser.  What I have seen is the hit is good, but the subject just stands there unable to do anything.  That is what happened to me when I was taser during training.  I did not "go down"  But i couldn't do much else either.  I froze in place and made a sound kinda like Chubacca from star wars.




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ShockUSMC87 says ...



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I haven't operated or been trained in Tasers but I did find this video on PL.  Towards the end of the video a guy fights through a Taser cycle that lands perfectly.


policelink.monster.com/videos/videos/24317-taser-does-not-stop-police-lieutenant-



IT didnt land perfectly.......the top probes did but the bottom probes didnt.......u can tell that just by the sound. The loud cracking is an indicator that there isnt a good connection or cycling.


Trust me....he would of dropped if the bottom probe both times had landed and pentrated past his thick jeans.



You can tell by the sound of the taser, that even the 2nd time there was not a good connection on the subject, this is a perfect example that the taser is not a never fail 'magic wand' tool, you always need a plan"B" if the taser doen't connect properly.

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No expert but could your probes have been to close together.  This happened to us on a search warrant.  The probes hit about an inch or so apart.  We made a connection with the taser on a different area of the body and dropped the guy. It was either the taser or where we made the second contact (where no guy wants to get hit).

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bmorgan says ...



"....That is what happened to me when I was taser during training.  I did not "go down"  But i couldn't do much else either.  I froze in place and made a sound kinda like Chubacca from star wars."



 


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