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i guess i will drop my two cents...


i am a noob when it comes to posting on this site.  what i have found so far is if my opinion doesn't match anothers then i will be attacked on various aspects of my life.  i don't live by the respect is earned not given. we should treat everyone as we would like to be treated.


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* tacked to the top for the night shift


Some of my favorite parts from the OP and responses:


bill9823: "Remember, people come here for help just like they call or come by your station for one of us to help them, Treat them with respect until they prove that they don't deserve our respect, you would do it if you were at work why not here?"


SGT405 (I miss this guy--wish he'd come back): "I agree with the premise. The site is geared to professionals interacting with civilians as well as other professionals. Maybe we as LEOs should be more goal oriented in our dealings with civilians who post, especially asking questions for the first time. Now, I am not adverse to letting an adult know how childish their behavior is. After all they are adults. They should know better. The distinction lies in the content and context of the post and the profile of the poster. We as professionals should be able to know the difference between the honestly asked question and the ones that deserve a beating."


TheSarge: "I am almost wanting to say that identifying a troll is one thing. BUT ID'ing an authentic 'Noob' or 'Newbie' is another. Those are the keepers. And if they get off to a rocky start, no worries. We fix them and shove them in the right direction.


But to burn down a huge percentage of 'stupid questions' may be a little far to one side. We have good Moderators and excellent LEO's on the site. We collectively can handle anything that comes on the site. And unless you forgot, a truly trollish stupid post can be made to disappear with no prints."


BIGNTS: "I've been on this site for a while now and I've tried to act the way my parents raised me. That is, if I don't have anything nice to sayabout someone else here, I say nothing at all. I will occasionally call someone out when I feel it is necessary, but generally just ignore them. That's how it should be. Life'stoo short to do battle with people we don't really know so well on an internet forum."


MarlyB: "PL is a crossroads of sorts. People of all education levels show up here including the nearly illiterate. A misspelled, badly worded, confusing and sloppy post looks like a show of disrespect. Not necessarily."




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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I am also going to add that OFTEN those who are correcting others' spelling and grammar are none-too-perfect themselves. If I stopped to correct every one of the incompetent spelling/grammar nazis, I'd quickly be run out of "town"--so to speak.




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I had to agree with the recent comments. I know it is difficult at times to show restraint when you begin to notice a lot of redundant or potentially entrapping posts, especially with some of the events that have unfolded lately. I typically just watch some of the posts develop before weighing in. I know that there are plenty of new members who are LE hopefuls and just have not had the chance to get their feet wet yet. If I get a negative gut reaction to a post, and I have quite a bit lately, then I let the OP go into things a bit more. I think, like most of the mentors on here, that the best plan is to guide the newbies in the right direction.


As for the spelling, it is something that I had to learn to deal with since day 1 of LE work. I had a fellow Officer who literally had a dictionary right next to the keyboard because his spelling was so bad that spell check often said no suggestions. So, if it is really bad, sometimes I will just give some advice via pm, as to not draw a great deal of attention to the OP, or just ignore it.

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I am also going to add that OFTEN those who are correcting others' spelling and grammar are none-too-perfect themselves. If I stopped to correct every one of the incompetent spelling/grammar nazis, I'd quickly be run out of "town"--so to speak.



I often correct spelling and grammar on this site, and its not to be a "nazi" so to speak. Many people don't know the difference between there and their, its and it's, and so on. How are they going to know if no one tells them? Law enforcement is a profession that involves writing that others are going to read. It is embarrassing for someone to use improper grammar and spelling, thats all. I agree if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. Yes no one is perfect, but we must be able to give each other positive, constructive criticism.


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I often correct spelling and grammar on this site, and its not to be a "nazi" so to speak. Many people don't know the difference between there and their, its and it's, and so on. How are they going to know if no one tells them? Law enforcement is a profession that involves writing that others are going to read. It is embarrassing for someone to use improper grammar and spelling, thats all. I agree if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. Yes no one is perfect, but we must be able to give each other positive, constructive criticism.



I agree, but I'm not referring to helpful hints, etcetera. I'm talking about the folks who bash people over the head with it trying to make them feel inferior. You know the ones I'm talking about--those threads often degrade into a cacophony of sarcasm and facepalms and it isn't always appropriate.





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When the first crack out of the barrel is a command to read the TOU and post an introduction, it looks inhospitable if not strangely defensive.  A student who has imagined PL might be a great site to get an interview for their project isn't necessarily a drooling shirker.  Ripping them for bad study habits is hasty and looks mean.   What happened to a 'wait and see'?


Newcomers, posting an introduction is not mandatory.  Having said that, you may find established members will talk past your left ear until the courtesy of an introduction is paid.  And some will talk past your left ear indefinitely.  We call them rude!


As to respect - one of the most respectful things we can do for cops is leave them alone to be ordinary people. 


 


 


 

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mz66 says ...



Romans_116 says ...



I often correct spelling and grammar on this site, and its not to be a "nazi" so to speak. Many people don't know the difference between there and their, its and it's, and so on. How are they going to know if no one tells them? Law enforcement is a profession that involves writing that others are going to read. It is embarrassing for someone to use improper grammar and spelling, thats all. I agree if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. Yes no one is perfect, but we must be able to give each other positive, constructive criticism.



I agree, but I'm not referring to helpful hints, etcetera. I'm talking about the folks who bash people over the head with it trying to make them feel inferior. You know the ones I'm talking about--those threads often degrade into a cacophony of sarcasm and facepalms and it isn't always appropriate.



I see your point. I concur.


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 * Tacked up for the night crew.




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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When I joined this site I had 3 years in Law Enfocement and 8 years in the military with two combat tours.


I dont think I posted a single comment for a month, let alone start a thread. Why?


Cause as any LEO knows when you go into a new place, shut up, open your eyes and ears and survey your surrondings.


I looked through all the groups that interested me, looked through hundreds if not thousands of posts to "get the feel" for what went on in PL.


I am not a "PC" kind of guy, I come from the school of "Respect is earned and not given" "When your the new guy shut your mouth and open your ears" "A stupid question gets a stupid answer" etc etc.....


As far as I know, nobody is forced to be on this site, it is not required by any means. If you come in here and dont like what you see or hear, than leave.


Example 1: I am into patrol rifles, I went to the site AR-15.com, I did not like it, therefore I left and went to M4 Carbine.net


Example 2: For a short time I was a member of Officer.com, I felt the site was littered with trolls and imposters, so here I am.


As far as being told to read the TOU's before posting I will say this. Immediately after establishing a profile you are directed to read the TOU's.


Law Enforcement is a career that involves following simple instructions and attention to detail, if a person can not do that on a social networking site I highly doubt they will do it when someones life depends on it. People say, "They are just coming here to learn what it takes to be a LEO" I say fine, they just got their first lesson, FOLLOW SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS.


Like the military, Law Enforcement is a brother/sisterhood and you earn your place among the ranks. That is not saying we are superior to anyone, it is a fact, you go through a lenghty employment process and then through an Academy where you are tested mentally and physically. One of the mental tests you are given in the academy is the ability to handle constructive criticism and be told what to do by superiors and follow those orders. So, when you VOLUNTARILY come onto this site to either socialize with LE or to find out what it takes to be LE expect to be around people that exhibit those traits.


I do understand that on this site we interact with many of civilians and not everyone is a LEO. The title of the site is still, Policelink The Nations Law Enforcement Community. I am PL friends with many of non-sworn people on this site and personal friends with a couple as well and respect them and value their opinions and friendships. With that being said, this site is still PL and the reason they are here is because they possess the personality to adapt to this site and the ways of Law Enforcement Officers.


I would not go to Firefighter Link and start talking about the way I think firefighters should do their jobs and the way they should act and talk, why? CAUSE I AM NOT A FIRE FIGHTER!!


I agree that everyone that registers a profile here on PL deserves a warm welcome and I hope they enjoy the site, after that it is THE MEMBERS responsibility to learn the site and where they fit in.


Just my 2 cents for what it is worth, as always comments welcome.


Stay safe everyone.


 


 

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as LEOs we still need the community. thats the field i work in now. community relations. we can't do this job alone. we all outnumbered by regular citizens everyday. we must communicate with them and be respectful. but that goes for everyone. regardless of my job, i should be given the same respect as the next poster on this site. i have been called stupid, an idiot, and many other things simpy for not thinking the same as the big "bully" in the thread. ITS MY WAY OR NO WAY...YOU'RE STUPID. of course i feel that the internet provides most folks with the comfort of being disrespectful.  i really don't think they would be that way in front of me. but who knows...


what i do know is that the respect level from some of the folks on here who are verified...???...is really low towards those of us who think outside their box


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oh and ranger, i did what you said exactly...i lurked on this site for a while but then i finally got a screen name and jumped in.


talk is cheap but i can't afford to be silent either. thats a line from a song but i like it. i speak my mind regardless of "who's coming with me" but in those threads, folks are brutal if you think differently.


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 "the internet provides most folks with the comfort of being disrespectful."


BAM! Nice way of putting that, sir. I have heard much more colorful versions of that--not to be shared with children present. But if you're interested, Google this phrase: "greater internet theory", then click on the first link.




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SpencerStangz says ...



as LEOs we still need the community. thats the field i work in now. community relations. we can't do this job alone. we all outnumbered by regular citizens everyday. we must communicate with them and be respectful. but that goes for everyone. regardless of my job, i should be given the same respect as the next poster on this site. i have been called stupid, an idiot, and many other things simpy for not thinking the same as the big "bully" in the thread. ITS MY WAY OR NO WAY...YOU'RE STUPID. of course i feel that the internet provides most folks with the comfort of being disrespectful.  i really don't think they would be that way in front of me. but who knows...


what i do know is that the respect level from some of the folks on here who are verified...???...is really low towards those of us who think outside their box



Its not a matter of respecting you. The two things that everyone is trying to convey to you is that they strongly disagree with your stance on Common and that no one believes you are a Law Enforcement Officer. That is all, it is not a matter of respect, there are many non-verified people on here that disagree with verified, their opinion is repected, your opinion is not because every one feels you are a liar and a poser. I mean NO disrespect to you by saying this, just telling you the truth. Cops know when they are talking to other Cops.


And as far as your opinion on how we should treat everybody here, how about this, spend more then 5 days here and then maybe start voicing your opinion, this goes right back to my last posting.


When i am 10-8 and getting paid, EVERYONE I come in contact with gets the amount of respect they deserve, when I am off duty on PL all I am required to do is abide by the rules and TOU's of PL and my agencies policy on social networking.

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 Can we not drag this argument in here, please? I have already done some background on SpencerStangz and while I don't have incontrovertible proof I am convinced that he is indeed a LEO. I'm not going to provide you with what I found on him since I believe, particularly in light of circumstances that you are keenly aware of Jason, that his privacy needs to be respected.




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 Can we not drag this argument in here, please? I have already done some background on SpencerStangz and while I don't have incontrovertible proof I am convinced that he is indeed a LEO. I'm not going to provide you with what I found on him since I believe, particularly in light of circumstances that you are keenly aware of Jason, that his privacy needs to be respected.



Matt I did not want this argument brought in here and that is the same reason I got out of it in the rapper thread.


And I feel that everyone that joins PL deserves respect, but on the same note every member that joins PL should show this site a certain amount of respect as well, I do not feel SpencerStangz has done that.

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Respect does not mean he has to share your opinion. I understand your passion about the topic, but you are either questioning his service or you're not at peace with his views. Other than not sharing your opinion on one topic, he's been polite and way more patient than I would ever have been in the same position. This is the end of what I'm going to say on the topic in here. I hope this thread gets cleaned up later.




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Respect does not mean he has to share your opinion. I understand your passion about the topic, but you are either questioning his service or you're not at peace with his views. Other than not sharing your opinion on one topic, he's been polite and way more patient than I would ever have been in the same position. This is the end of what I'm going to say on the topic in here. I hope this thread gets cleaned up later.



No respect does not mean he has to share my opinion. But coming to this site, during this week, and defending someone who OBVIOUSLY supports a person who was convicted of savagely murdering a Police Officer is disrespectful, I dont care how you twist it that is DISRESPECT.


And I dont find it a coincidence that he showed up during this week either.

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mz66 says ...



Respect does not mean he has to share your opinion. I understand your passion about the topic, but you are either questioning his service or you're not at peace with his views. Other than not sharing your opinion on one topic, he's been polite and way more patient than I would ever have been in the same position. This is the end of what I'm going to say on the topic in here. I hope this thread gets cleaned up later.



No respect does not mean he has to share my opinion. But coming to this site, during this week, and defending someone who OBVIOUSLY supports a person who was convicted of savagely murdering a Police Officer is disrespectful, I dont care how you twist it that is DISRESPECT.


And I dont find it a coincidence that he showed up during this week either.



In your PC world where everyone is entitled to their OPINION I am sure there is a way to twist this into being acceptable, but in our world, on the street, by ourselves, it is not!!! There is still a thing called Right and Wrong in our world, everything is not PC.


And untill you have been to that wall and seen the name of your friends on it, and looked at your wife with tears coming down her face while she is saying dont ever make me visit you here you WILL NOT UNDERSTAND HOW DISRESPECTFUL IT IS!!!!


You wanna debate PC and opinion go get a job in politics but leave that stuff out of here.


 

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Yeah--I know I'm going back on my word--and I feel the ice is a little thin under my feet, but this needs to be said.


I realize you are still operating from the assumption that I'm wrong about his service and you've got no reason to believe I have the goods. Nonetheless--here's a couple of key excerpts from the Forum FAQ. I mean no disrespect by quoting this--it is what it is.


Excerpts from the Forum FAQ:


- Don’t question the service of another member. Nothing gives you the right to disparage anyone who served honorably.


- Agree to disagree - don’t keep hammering away with a point that another member refuses to acknowledge. Just agree to have a different viewpoint; otherwise the resentment builds. -Name Calling is discouraged and not seen as a way to “win” a debate. Resorting to name calling generally results in disruptive posts by all parties involved, and will lead to suspension of posting privileges.




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I have a suggestion....... Spencer Stangz get your verification and remove the doubt. Easy enough don't you think? How about it Matt?


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I've suggested it, bill--but there are caveats. Understandable ones. I'll clarify in PM to you.




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I've suggested it, bill--but there are caveats. Understandable ones. I'll clarify in PM to you.



Well I think it is the only way that he will be able to settle it. I have a hard time accepting that Shetland was a Chief but I have because of his tenure here.


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bill9823 says ...



mz66 says ...



I've suggested it, bill--but there are caveats. Understandable ones. I'll clarify in PM to you.



Well I think it is the only way that he will be able to settle it. I have a hard time accepting that Shetland was a Chief but I have because of his tenure here.



Regardless of his status what he is defending is disrespectful in nature to a fallen officer, period.


And you can quote all the rules you want Matt it does not change that it is disrespectful and has offended just about every verified member that has read his postings, which also violates some rules as well.


- This forum supports the Law Enforcement community. That doesn’t mean that non-Law Enforcement personnel are not welcome, but it DOES mean that certain beliefs and traditions are held in higher regard.


- Those that have direct law enforcement experience in a given topic have a higher level of regard than others here (within their area of expertise). If you jump in offering your opinions on a particular subject, your level of experience comes into play.

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Absolutely agree Bill.  Even though I am an LEO and have been for a long time.  I did not ask anyone to believe me, until I was verified.  There are those who say the little star by your name means nothing.  But to me it means you took the extra step to show you are part of the brotherhood. 

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How about that, every member with "Direct Law Enforcement" experience is offended by his postings and his defense of this anti-cop rapper, but because YOU have proof he is an LEO then all is forgiven.


How about you make a poll and ask the members, all the members that just came back from the memorial, see what they think?


But no its just me being unreasonable and mean, no its about standing up for what is right, that is the main reason most of us do this job, its the only reason since I was old enough to vote I have dedicated my life to this nation through military and LE service, so excuse me if I dont pust aside 17 years of service cause YOU have proof this guy is an LEO.

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gosh i just got back on for a second and saw this...kinda sucks really. and i must admit that it does hurt somewhat. mz66 thanks for trying man. ranger, i didnt just get here sir. i have made other post before. all i am trying to do is follow my agency rules. we had a busy day today with the retirement and all so i don't think the chief will get to my request until whenever. but i almost feel like it won't make a difference. i just got shot down by two other PL members. i mean AA gun shot down, crash and burn. and they keep coming back to me not being a LEO. man i was handcuffed and surrounded by 7 LEOs last march who (in person) denied that i was a LEO until disptach confirmed. but at that point i felt weird even being in the same profession as those guys. the response on here feels the same way. i can't be any nicer. i can't show more respect. i'm praying for change.


i'm just being honest y'all. it is deheartening to see how other LEOs treat me just because i spoke my mind and thought for myself.


if you can take my typed words when i state my opinion on a topic and believe them and strongly oppose them, THEN why NOT take my same typed words about my profession and my respect for the job the same way. really ranger. you can speak at me in a PM if you like. i am open to talk sir. i have shown nothing but respect on this site. well some attempts at humor too


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No sir do not PM me as I have no desire to have a peronal conversation with you.


But answer me this if you would not mind.


Why, when you were pulled over did you need the officer to "call your disptach" and verify you were a Law Enforcement Officer?"


What difference does it make? If you received a citation and did not agree with it then you take it to traffic court and contest it.


Why would YOU expect that officer to jeprodize his Officer Safety to call your dispatch? I have never met a REAL COP who would expect that.

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i don't see a PM as personal, it just keeps a thread from being hijacked. trust me, other folks on PL have done so and we have cleared a lot of air.


but, i passed an unmarked sheriff explorer in my GT. apparently, he didn't like that. i was going just about 7 over the speed limit. well in my state, you can't make stops in umarked vehicles. i pulled over anyway since i figured it must be someone i know messing with me.  my GT is well known since i was the president of the local MCA club for like 4yrs. anyway, the sheriff had me step out of my vehicle and go the rear. he was not wearing a uniform. i advised him of who i was by name, rank, and agency. i made no attempt to go in my pocket and show my badge because he had his gun drawn. he called for backup. six more officers arrived. they approached me, handcuffed me, and bent me over my trunk. as he got my wallet, i told him my badge was on the left side under the flap. he responded "shut the F*@# up!" another deputy torqued my handcuffs and told me it would happen again if i kept talking. not even 20-30sec later, disptach "verified" who i was. quickly the cuffs were removed and i got verbal warning! two of those same LEOs have resigned since then for other stuff. i never complained per request from my Major.


sir, i have made several felony arrests on traffic stops before by myself. he was in a position of cover, behind his door jam and i was behind my car facing him. he called his dispatch for backup and ran my tag. not hard at all


517 to dispatch, out on a 8190 at location&location, tag [inserttaghere],could you also run a 10-88 on a [insertnamehere]. B/M...DOB...also call [insertmydispatch] and advise on LEO status


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Oh and by the way.....


There you go little anonymous troll boy I just gave you plenty of material for your next email to my Agency.


Go tell them in your anonymous email how disgraceful I am defending my beliefs and my fellow fallen officers.


You might get about just as far as you did with your first pathetic email, which as you can see was not very far.


I am still here and still proudly serving, which is a lot more than you can say isnt it???

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