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JCastelot says ...



 I am a student in a small college and our Campus Safety uses batons and I feel that they are ineffective. I see students get hit with them and they run away hurt. Then we see lawsuits against our school because the student has a broken bone or wrist. I think that my school should have tazers because I feel they are more effective when trying to apprehend a student. Also, the student will not have major injuries.



What are you basing your opinion on?

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Jcastelot,


One may tend to think that way, but it isn't always the case, major or minor injuries law suits can and will probably happen no matter.  Baton's are very effective if used properly and in the hands of someone properly trained.  They can be a defensive weapon, offensive and a restraint device, so batons are effective, but yes they do tend to cause more specific traumas.  Fact is if the perpetrator is on something a taser can be just as ineffective due to excited delirium.  These instances give agencies and taser international headaches.  Bottom line: Training!


Please don't take this as your wrong, you have a valid point and thanks for the feedback.  The freedom of this country is freedom of speech and and opinion.  Keep em coming.

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JCastelot says ...



 I am a student in a small college and our Campus Safety uses batons and I feel that they are ineffective. I see students get hit with them and they run away hurt. Then we see lawsuits against our school because the student has a broken bone or wrist. I think that my school should have tazers because I feel they are more effective when trying to apprehend a student. Also, the student will not have major injuries.



Sounds like more baton training is needed by the campus officers, under normal circumstances you shouldn't be breaking bones, and if it is necessary to hit someone with a baton , they should not be running away, they should be going to jail.  Having said this, this is based on a 1 line in a post with no additional information, so just a guess/opinion at best, and at worst, completely inapplicable w/o more info.

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JCastelot says ...



 I am a student in a small college and our Campus Safety uses batons and I feel that they are ineffective. I see students get hit with them and they run away hurt. Then we see lawsuits against our school because the student has a broken bone or wrist. I think that my school should have tazers because I feel they are more effective when trying to apprehend a student. Also, the student will not have major injuries.



What are you basing your opinion on?



1) You have no basis for your opinion that batons are ineffective. Of course you are allowed to have and express your opinion, but years of trial and error has gone into using Batons as an enforcement tool, and your opinion is probably similar to others that have seen the courtrooms, and been trodden down.


2) As Cassco said, anyone who is being hit with a Baton should be arrested and taken to jail. It's not a Flyswatter. It's a complaince tool.


3) Every person in LE that carries and/or uses a baton has been trained and certified. We know how to aim a blow, and where to aim a blow. However, we do not have the ability to change the direction in midswing if the subject moves. If a bone is broken it is probably due to a subject being resistant or combative, and as such is gonna be heard in court, and thrown out.


4) You say that you feel tasers (not spelled with a Z) are more effective when trying to apprehend a student. Again, your statement begs the question, what are you basing your opinion on? Did you conduct a study? Did you read someone elses study? If so, which one? I personally base my opinion of "The right tool for the job be it Baton, taser, or OC Spray" on experience. The best teacher.


5) How do you know there will not be major injuries from the use of a taser. When a taser is deployed on a person they lose control of their muscles, and motor skills. A LARGE majority of these subjects fall down. I've seen more than one noggin get cracked on the ground. The person was obviously being combative or resistant, and therefore he taser use was required to bring them into compliance. Also, you make this last statement as a fact, not offering up that it is your opinion. What have you based this on?

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PSD_Team_Leader says ...



The taser is an outstanding tool but the officer not only needs to be educated and train on how to use them, but when to use them. In that riot situation, I dont think that is the right place to employ it since I personally only use the taser when I intend to take someone into care, custody, or control AND keeping it in mind that we either have to have EMTs remove the darts OR take the suspect to an emergency room to have the barbs removed. Not something you want to fool with in a social chaos type situation. OC or an organized use of CS.


But then again, Im not at all a fan of OC either...but that is a situation of the right tool for the job.



Nossir...and now EMTs wont even remove them in the county, we have to take them to the ER at Ben Taub now for it to be done.

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If people are running away w/ broken bones after being struck w/ a baton then apparently they are effective enough to stop the assaultive behavior.


Shock Campus LE are cops.  Least in this state and a few others. 


You have the rest of your life to solve the problem, how long your life lasts depends on how well you do it. -Clint Smith

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bmorgan says ...



I have carried a baton, taser,and OC for years.  I have used them all in many differnt situations.  This is what I have learned:


1.  Each is a different tool, each has it's own abilities, and weakness's


2. Nothing is 100% effective all the time


3. Injury is possible with all three


4. All 3 require skill and training to use properly


5. TV, video games, movies and the media have it wrong with all 3


6. Even the best trained and practiced user of any of these will make a mistake under the stress of combat


7. Bad guys sue.  All the time for nothing and for everything. 



AMEN!


I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.

John Bernard Books, from "The Shootist"

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Scurge says ...



If people are running away w/ broken bones after being struck w/ a baton then apparently they are effective enough to stop the assaultive behavior.


Shock Campus LE are cops.  Least in this state and a few others. 



I wasnt talking bout the campus cops.......they are cops in Texas too.



My bad, I wasn't paying attention to what you said


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Taser or Asp?


Why choose between two great tools!


I love the taser becasue it can be utilized at a good distance and take down a big ol' boy with ease. (1. If it fires and 2. If you get the probes to land) However I would not choose it over my "get right stick." That being said my department puts the taser just below deadly force giving us a little window of opportunity to use the damn thing. I have been lucky/unlucky enough to have used it several times with only one failure. (Taser did not deploy). Each succsessful deployment made things de-escalate fast and left me time to gain distance and POA.(postion of advantage) Besides if you dont carry an ASP what are you going to knock on doors with?