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They have no general arrest powers beyond felony/breech of the peace off of military installations/military personnel...they are strictly a civilian police force for the military garrison environment to free up military police for the GWOT optempo. Its a damn good gig to get into though...most of the ones I have ever met were more motivated than the average police officer, almost all were veterans, and its a great way to keep your federal military time towards retirement.


They have the ability to obtain concealed carry off post just like any other state citizen though.



ACTUALLY.....We can now carry concealed nationwide off duty with NO concealed carry permit since the passing of S 1132. This is a full carry right without regard to state or local prohibition. Just like any other federal officers. We are now, by definition, "Qulaified Law Enforcement Officers" under Federal Law. The law was signed by the President on the first of October. But we also have statutory arrest authority under Title 10 of the US Code, and here in Virginia, we have full state arrest powers as we are written under the Virginia State Code, section 19.2-12. Believe it or not we are constantly arresting violaters and transporting and booking them into the Norfolk City Jail. Without arrest authority this could not happen. As a matter of fact the City of Norfolk has issued control numbers for the purpose of booking folks into the jail. Without that, it wouldn't happen either. Kind of a nice perk.....


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They have no general arrest powers beyond felony/breech of the peace off of military installations/military personnel...they are strictly a civilian police force for the military garrison environment to free up military police for the GWOT optempo. Its a damn good gig to get into though...most of the ones I have ever met were more motivated than the average police officer, almost all were veterans, and its a great way to keep your federal military time towards retirement.


They have the ability to obtain concealed carry off post just like any other state citizen though.



ACTUALLY.....We can now carry concealed nationwide off duty with NO concealed carry permit since the passing of S 1132. This is a full carry right without regard to state or local prohibition. Just like any other federal officers. We (GS-0083 police) are now, by definition, "Qulaified Law Enforcement Officers" under Federal Law. The law was signed by the President on or about the first of October. But we have also had statutory arrest authority under Title 10 of the US Code, and here in Virginia, we have full state arrest powers as we are written under the Virginia State Code, section 19.2-12. Believe it or not we are constantly arresting violaters and transporting and booking them into the Norfolk City Jail. Without arrest authority this could not happen. As a matter of fact the City of Norfolk has issued control numbers to all civilian DOD police officers in the Norfolk area for the purpose of booking folks into the jail. Without that, it wouldn't happen either. Kind of a nice perk.....



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Read today's news letter from the FOP grand lodge.  Looks like the new bill was signed into law which recognizes DOD GS 83 series as peace officers under LEOSA




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there is a doa officer who was off duty in md who shot a dog. That officer was only charged because the "public court" wanted something done he was charged with 2 counts neither of the charges are for crim poss of a firearm. It was brought up that we turn in our weapons off duty and why was he carrying under lesoa 2004 for all the reasons rumored on the web.Md is NOT SHALL ISSUE CCW STATE.  

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The bottom line is potus is the commander in chief of the us armed forces. The armed forces are under civilian control congress and the president dictate our policy. If  our middle men bosses don't like it too bad. Now as for statutory arrest authority most of here are cops our job is to ENFORCE THE LAW!!! Not to interpret the law that’s why we have judges that’s their job. but i will offer this case study. I will concede that our authority is not clearly spelled in title 10 of the usc code like it should be but the courts have already interpreted the law for us. The military's problem is they rely on the staff judge advocates’ which are military lawyers for legal advise vs seeks guidance from the courts or congress or even the US attorney general for that matter.


SAMAYOA MARTINEZ v. HOLDER


Mynor Manfredo SAMAYOA-MARTINEZ, Petitioner, v. Eric H. HOLDER, Jr., Attorney General, Respondent.


No. 04-74220.


-- March 03, 2009


Before:  FERDINAND F. FERNANDEZ, CONSUELO M. CALLAHAN and SANDRA S. IKUTA, Circuit Judges.


H. Varvandeh, Los Angeles, California, for the petitioner-appellant.Richard M. Evans, Office of Immigration Litigation, United States Department of Justice, Washington, DC, for the respondent-appellee.


According to Samayoa, because Lomeli was an actual or ostensible agent of the INS, he could not arrest an alien unless he had first fulfilled the basic training requirements set forth in 8 C.F.R. §§ 287.8, 287.5, and 287.1(g).  Because Lomeli had not done so, Samayoa contends the arrest constituted a violation of immigration regulations.   See Cal. Civ. Code § 2330.   Samayoa argues that, under Calderon-Medina, those violations were prejudicial and required the IJ to suppress the statements Samayoa made to Lomeli.   The IJ rejected this argument, holding that Lomeli was not acting as an agent of the INS when he arrested and detained Samayoa, and therefore neither Lomeli nor the INS violated any immigration regulations.


We agree with the IJ. Beyond reciting basic principles of agency law, Samayoa provides no factual or legal support for the theory that the military police are agents of the INS and must comply with immigration regulations, and we have found none.   Military police have independent legal authority “to arrest and detain civilians for on-base violations of civil law.”  United States v. Banks, 539 F.2d 14, 16 (9th Cir.1976);  see also 10 U.S.C. § 809(e) (providing that military police may “secure the custody of an alleged offender until proper authority may be notified”).   The IJ found that Lomeli acted independently of the INS in stopping, arresting, and detaining petitioners, and this finding is supported by substantial evidence.   There is also no evidence in the record that the INS took steps that would cause a third person to believe the military police were agents of the INS. Accordingly, the IJ and BIA did not err in concluding that Lomeli was not an actual or ostensible immigration officer or agent of the INS and therefore that he was not required to comply with INS regulations.   We conclude that Samayoa's claim that his statements to Lomeli and other military police were obtained in violation of 8 C.F.R. §§ 287.1(g), 287.5, or 287.8 is meritless 


 

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DOD is still saying no Leosa 2010 does'nt apply to gs 0083 police officers like said before our agnecy is uniqe because the pres is the biggest boss we have bottom line. what everyone forgets is the law is the law and internal policy is just that policy and not the law. Also let's remember no matter how big or small our sandbox is were all good guys on the same team. My badge identifies me as Police officer and if were here to serve and protect an enforce the law of our various playgrounds no matter where yours may be, big or small.


 Based upon    reading of Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code, Section 926B(a) and applying the facts brought forth at the hearing, the court finds that the defendant is exempt from prosecution under New York State Law as a result of LEOSA.   None of the arguments put forth by the People supply any proof that defendant was not protected from criminal prosecution by this act.   Although the proof at the hearing indicates that the defendant engaged in a violation of rules, regulations and policies of the United States Coast Guard by possessing a handgun for which he had no license, these violations do not act to lessen the scope of LEOSA as it is applied in this instance.   When distilled to the salient facts, the evidence presented at the hearing showed that the defendant was a qualified law enforcement officer who possessed photographic identification issued by the Coast Guard.   Accordingly, he is exempt from prosecution and the indictment must be dismissed

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Fellow DoD Police Officers, As a retired DoD Supervisor I was elated to see the amendment to H.R. 218, (S. 1132), signed into law on 12 October 2010...However, as I witnessed during my 28+ years career, the military, (regardless of what branch base you worked on), always looked upon their DoD Police Officers as nothing more than "guards"...or as I've often heard "rent-a-cops"...and treated us as their "red-headed step-children".  I watched as those DoD officers affiliated with AFGE made repeated attempts to be recognized as bonafide LEO's so they could obtain the same retirement benefits as the GS-1811 series..and the US Navy brought out their big-gun lawyers to combat the cause in any way they could.  I also witnessed certain DoD Supervisors who only had their personal, and/or future promotion potential in mind, side with the military to help defeat the aforementioned efforts.  These "brown-nosed" individuals also did everything within their power to force supervisors, (like myself), who were pro-law enforcement....into retirement by ensuring they were passed over for any further promotions.   Most DoD Officers & Supervisors who have worked within the Hampton Roads VA area know exactly what I'm speaking of.


In regards to S. 1132, upon reading the text you will note it does not specifcally state "DOD Police"...although we are all aware that we would fall under the umbrella of this law ...(as stated within the latest National FOP newsletter)... the military would argue the point in their continuing efforts to suppress any future attempts in regards to H.R. 673.  In short, they do not want DoD GS-0083 Police Officers having Title 18 arrest authority, (nor amend Title 10)to obtain the benefits that follow. The issue here is CONTROL, a Civilian GS-0083 Police Officer with arrest authority aboard any military installation is a "real threat" to the Commanding Officer's Authority.  This fact is why it will take a top-down effort for S. 1132 to be enforced.  Congress with have to issue a directive, via the military secretary heads to commanding officers nationwide instructing them to adhere to the law, and issue legitimate identification cards to active & retired DoD Officers.  In addition, the mandate would have to include annual weapon qualifications on military bases so that DoD officers would be in compliance with H.R. 218.


I see this as a coming battle...as no doubt, the military brass in D.C have already gotten wind of S. 1132 and will be protesting this law to their congressional pals.  It is up to all of us DoD Officers, active and retired to beat down the door of our Congressional representatives...complaceny is what the military depends upon, and I've seen that too often within the  DoD ranks.  Write, call, e-mail or stand at the door of your Congressional Representative if you ever care to see your just benefits and long deserved recognition for the duties you perform to protect & serve your Country.  


   

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President just signed into law that ALL 0083's are now classified as FED Law Enforcement with pay and retirement that same as all other federal leos... thats also covers nation wide conceal carry.


 


SB1132


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Check with your local FOP for all of the details...


 


There is talk of having all of the different DOD agencies moved under the DOD police. The FOP is pushing the SEC of DEF to do this because of the issues of the DOA tring to fight it.


For so long as one hundred men remain alive, we shall never under any conditions submit to the domination of the English. It is not for glory or riches or honours that we fight, but only for liberty, which no good man will consent to lose but with his life.

The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320

SCREW TIBET FREE SCOTLAND !!!!

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In regard to the last post, I would like to propose a toast! We all appreciate you standing up for us. WE ARE THE RED-HEADED STEPCHILD of the military L/E. Always have been. When the Navy Times does a story they reference us as "Security Guards", or "Security Officers". Perhaps we should be refering to chiefs as First Classes, or Navy Captains as Lieutenants. It certainly would anger them, but they continue to badger us as if it is OK. Well I'll tell you what. When the strike DOES come, and the base IS hit, they will certainly find out how professional the DOD police officers truly are, and how dedicated they are. I have had Chiefs berate me on the job. I have had Junior and Senior commissioned officers insult me on the job. Most of us have. I can not control some of their unprofessional behavior, or the childish attitudes displayed by some, or how some will file a complaint and lie their tail off to get us in trouble. I can only control how professional I AM on the job. So what if the tickets written on most military bases carry no fines, no points on driver licenses, no money out of the violators pocket and no insurance notification. This is because the military has NO legal authority to process those type of tickets or take money from anyone. I will write them because they tell me to write them. They say we have NO ARREST AUTHORITY. Tell me why for the last 10 years those DOD at Naval Station Norfolk have arrested violators and taken them to Norfolk City Jail, just like the Norfolk Police do. Tell me why the Navy allows DOD cops there to make daily arrests, in the form of custody arrests and , get this, TRAFFIC STOPS. The Supreme Court has always held that a traffic stop IS AN ARREST with the violator released on a summons. (Even if it is a worthless Navy ticket) Well, if the DOD still maintains that DOD police officers have no statutory arrest authority, the military has a HUGE problem; hundreds if not thousands of FALSE / WRONGFUL ARREST LAWSUITS. So....do we have statutory arrest authority, or do we not??? If they say "YES", we can carry under S1132. If they say "NO", they have a lot of very public, very expensive lawsuits to settle, across the nation. So, let's see...the DOD firefighters not only receive HAZARD PAY but are on a 20 year retirement at Naval Station Norfolk, and MUST retire at age 57. Are they real firefighters? Do they have to ask permission from the fire chief to put the fire out once they get there? So....what is the true, legal answer....let's investigate.  Dateline NBC, anyone?

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For all 0083's if you are not a member of the FOP you better join and add your voice. It was the FOP that pushed this trough and is still pushing for the other stuff you complain about...


For so long as one hundred men remain alive, we shall never under any conditions submit to the domination of the English. It is not for glory or riches or honours that we fight, but only for liberty, which no good man will consent to lose but with his life.

The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320

SCREW TIBET FREE SCOTLAND !!!!

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President just signed into law that ALL 0083's are now classified as FED Law Enforcement with pay and retirement that same as all other federal leos... thats also covers nation wide conceal carry.


 


SB1132



SB 1132 is just the modified HR 218, nothing more.  It does not put us in the 6C retirement category, nor does it give us statutory authority.  Fed LE, Fed Police, the difference is in the retirement system in 5USC.  An arrest/aprehension is the same, even the MCM recognizes this.  The 4th amendment does as well.  For authority we need HR 675 passed and for retirement its HR 673. 


Add your voice by writing your congressmen.  Don't take their political reply as enough. Demand thy give you a form stance on all the issues.  A letter a week should get their attention.


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It states that you can retire after 10 years service....


Read the article on the FOP web page


For so long as one hundred men remain alive, we shall never under any conditions submit to the domination of the English. It is not for glory or riches or honours that we fight, but only for liberty, which no good man will consent to lose but with his life.

The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320

SCREW TIBET FREE SCOTLAND !!!!

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Yes, you can.  You also can under FERS.  The 10 year thing is that you can carry under 18USC926(c) after just ten years rather than the 15 that was required before.  This is a win not only for DOD, but all LE.  Trust me, the 6c retirement doesn't come with this.  I believe it is critical legislation and a step in the right direction, but still doesn't give us everything I think we deserve.  I agree, the FOP is a great advocate for the DOD.


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I still like the option we can give them. As I said earlier; They can acknowledge that we DO have statutory arrest/apprehension authority, and we can carry lawfully under 1132, or they can say NO; " DOD (DOAF, DOA, DON, DOMC) can NOT carry under the law; they have NO statutory authority. This acknowledgement will obviously expose them to hundreds, if not thousands of Federal Lawsuits for wrongful arrest. Personally I have arrested hundreds in my career as a DOD cop here in Norfolk, and probably booked around 100 or so into the Norfolk City Jail MYSELF over the last 10 years. Now, we may be covered under Qualified Immunity, but it leaves the Agency with no umbrella of protection and quite frankly makes them look stupid. They are going to pay big-time to settle wrongful arrest allegations. It might just be easier and less expensive to give us the S/A. And as I said earlier, if 2 or 4 people go to the media like Dateline, 20/20 or National Public Radio, they might shrug those folks off. But if they get a hundred emails about it, it certainly makes a good story for the rest of the country. WHAT?????? You're paying a police officer $50,000 of our tax dollars per year and he can't even ARREST someone?????? That is the response the media is looking for, and it would certainly help with the ratings. (Just make sure to use an encrypted internet proxy server to send your email, so it can't be traced back to you. (LOL) Don't need anyone fired for unauthorized press releases, do we? LOL  Write your congressman, and use a pen and paper. He can't delete it like email. And remember, WORK UNION, LIVE BETTER. IBPO

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Here is the "poop and the scoop" on DOD Police.


1. It is NOT the DOD that is prohibiting you from off duty carry, it is your subordiunate agency. DOA, DON DAF, they are using military SOP's in definition as to your duties, authority and responsibilty. This and only this is what is prohibiting your off duty carry. Most local police will NOT even think twice about you carrying on your ID as long as your department says that you are authorized. I was a DOD officer with Naval Station New York in 1995. We had NO off duty carry and NO arrest authority. I however went to a gun store in NYC, bought a firearm on my department ID, and carried it off duty. If a NYC police officer would stop one of us off duty with a firearm and call the station to verify our off duty carry status, whoever was on dispatch would just tell them that we were authorized to carry off duty. THIS WAS DONE OVER THE PHONE! The NYC officer would then just radio into his command that our officer had proper ID for the firearm. (Referring to our DOD Police ID)


2. The NSA, DLA, NGA and PFPA are all DOD agncies with their own 0083 series DOD Police. The difference is that these are CIVILIAN DOD agencies with civilian ideas of what authority their DOD Officers have. We are authorized off duty carry and have arrest authority (within Federal Jurisdiction). We carry on our Department ID. Just like DOD Officers under the military departments, we are issued our duty firearms and turn them in after our tour. We then strap on our personal firearms and head home. Civilian DOD agencies do not treat their DOD officers like the military departments do.


3. I'm with DLA (Defense Logistics Agency). We go to FLETC for the 11 week UPTP and have 3 weeks of DOD training after completion of FLETC. We are treated like Police Officers by our Agency, as well as the local police departments. As Federal Police Officers we have to understand our jurisdiction. We have NO JURISDICTION to enforce any State laws off of our federal property unless we are givien authority by that state or local police department to do so. We can enforce FEDERAL LAW ONLY, unless we are given authority by the state. Just because your department gives you full arresr authority, it does not mean that you can go about the population and start arresting people. If your state does not give you arrest authority, then you are restricted to arrest on FEDERAL PROPERTY, or for FEDERAL OFFENSES ONLY! If you act on a crime commited against the laws of the state, you must turn the offender over to the local authorities who have jurisdiction over the laws of the state. Even if HR675 passes, it will NOT give you arrest authority in any state unless that state extends it to federal officers. But at least we will be equal to any other Federal 0083 series Police Officer from any other Federal Agency.

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Most DACP cops I know are state certified. Either they were before being hired or were sent to local academies after the sorry excuse of an academy the DACP offer or I should say mandates that you attend.


For so long as one hundred men remain alive, we shall never under any conditions submit to the domination of the English. It is not for glory or riches or honours that we fight, but only for liberty, which no good man will consent to lose but with his life.

The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320

SCREW TIBET FREE SCOTLAND !!!!

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Most DACP cops I know are state certified. Either they were before being hired or were sent to local academies after the sorry excuse of an academy the DACP offer or I should say mandates that you attend.



The key to remember is that under the US CONSTITUTION, no Federal Law shall infringe on the authority of the States control over it's territories. With that said, The Constitution makes it so that Federal Law doe NOT infringe on the laws of any state. That is why Federal Officers ONLY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER FEDERAL LAW! The states MUST grant statutory authority of arrest to a Federal Agency or that agency's Federal Officers have NO JURISDICTION TO ENFORCE THE LAWS OF THAT STATE! We as Federal Officers are authorised to enforce FEDERAL LAW  on FEDERAL PROPERTY, or for violations of FEDERAL LAWS commited off of that property. IF WE TAKE ACTION ON A CRIME COMMITTED OFF OF FEDERAL PROPERTY THAT IS NOT A FEDERAL OFFENSE, we MUST TURN THE OFFENDER OVER TO LOCAL AUTHORITIES WHO HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE LAWS OF THAT STATE! We must be given statutory authority by the state to enforce the laws of that state or have a MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING between the state or a sub division of that state giving us authority to enforce the laws of that state to arrest a person who commits an offense against the laws of a state, EVEN IF THE CRIME IS COMMITTED IN OUR PRESENSE!


What I simply do is "cuff anf detain" the offender and turn him over to the local police. They are the arresting officer and I am the star witness. You gotta love the the look on the Jugde's face when I identify myself as " FEDERAL POLICE OFFICER TERRY LEWIS, DLA POLICE, UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. The judge and the procecutor get a smirk on their face when they look at the defendant as if to say "you aint gettin outta this one. LOL

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OK I was saying that they have REAL police training and experience. Most that I know have 10 or more years of exp before they went to the DACP. Some places are better than others. There is no set standard that is enforced. Different post have different supervision. You MUST have someone who was a COP not an MP or CID without civilian police exp. Only a non MP would understand there is a HUGE differrence.


For so long as one hundred men remain alive, we shall never under any conditions submit to the domination of the English. It is not for glory or riches or honours that we fight, but only for liberty, which no good man will consent to lose but with his life.

The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320

SCREW TIBET FREE SCOTLAND !!!!

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Well, I'm not sure about other states, but here in Virginia the Virginia State Code section 19.2-12 gives any police officer with the Department of Defense full arrest authority, so under S 1132 we in Virginia are covered to carry because we have Statutory Arrest Authority. Last time I checked, the UCMJ is a Federal Statute, furthering the authority to carry. A letter sent to IBPO from DOD Human Resources in Washington in December 2010 acknowledges that "while some DOD (GS 0083) series police officers have arrest authority, most do not". I think this is grossly inadequate. They ( DOD HR) also conceded that if the wording in the S 1132 bill were ammended to include the word "APPREHENSION" the DOD would comply with the S 1132 bill and allow the DOD Police Officers to carry off duty under that bill. Last time I checked the dictionary, Apprehension and Arrest were identical. The U.S.  Supreme Court ruled that they are the same. So here's your chance to write your Congressman and have this further ammendment made. Again, if asked if DOD had arrest authority, the DOD (NAVY) would certainly state that DOD police officer DO NOT have arrest authority (to hinder tham from carrying under 1132) but AGAIN, that answer would be very costly to the Navy in the form of thousands of wrongful arrest lawsuits. Remember here in Virginia, we not only conduct traffic stops (which IS an arrest), we handcuff, search and transport offenders to a city jail on numerous occasions. The big Navy obviously can't say that WASN'T an arrest! So, if the other bill HR 673, or 675 passes it would give all DOD and 0083's statutory arrest authority under Federal Law. THIS is the bill we need to keep lobbying for. BTW, the NAVY and all of it's powers to be can NOT change federal law  (S 1132) and tell the Navy DOD cops they can't carry under S 1132 because at least here in VA they have the authority. So let's get the other bills passed so everyone can enjoy the privelage. Besides, what good is a Federal Police Officer who can't arrest anyone??? Makes for an interesting 20/20 story, don't you think?

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I think you should all move here to Ohio... YOU DONT NEED A LICENSE TO CARRY IN OH AS LONG AS YOU DONT CONCEAL. I say strap it on your hip like a cowboy.... YEEE HAAAWWWW!!

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I'm just not sure about all this. Just how does one become a DOD Police Officer? To whom do they apply and what are the qualifications. What is their training? Is it standard throughout the DOD or depends on the base. WHO is in charge of these DOD Police? Many questions that most people do not know, including LEOs. If someone is a DOD Officer does this give them the legal right to enforce the laws by arrest and taking one into custody and to what extent is their authority. Frankly I was and still am under the impression that they have no more authority than base security police who for the most part have little to no formal training and no authority off-base and no legal right to carry without obtaining a CCW permit which I think should be issued or granted to these individuals and not a national carry permit like HR218. Fill me in and don't be using military sections or the UCMJ to make your case for authority. Remember that there are many safeguards in the US Constitution preventing and limiting military control over civilians even under Martial Law Being declared in an emergency.

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robo it is dependant on each post thats why  most are pushing for it to all fall under DOD where there is a enforced standard


For so long as one hundred men remain alive, we shall never under any conditions submit to the domination of the English. It is not for glory or riches or honours that we fight, but only for liberty, which no good man will consent to lose but with his life.

The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320

SCREW TIBET FREE SCOTLAND !!!!

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I'm just not sure about all this. Just how does one become a DOD Police Officer? To whom do they apply and what are the qualifications. What is their training? Is it standard throughout the DOD or depends on the base. WHO is in charge of these DOD Police? Many questions that most people do not know, including LEOs. If someone is a DOD Officer does this give them the legal right to enforce the laws by arrest and taking one into custody and to what extent is their authority. Frankly I was and still am under the impression that they have no more authority than base security police who for the most part have little to no formal training and no authority off-base and no legal right to carry without obtaining a CCW permit which I think should be issued or granted to these individuals and not a national carry permit like HR218. Fill me in and don't be using military sections or the UCMJ to make your case for authority. Remember that there are many safeguards in the US Constitution preventing and limiting military control over civilians even under Martial Law Being declared in an emergency.



Yes. it varies from station to station. I know that some Naval Station Police have statutory authority granted by the states their prospective bases are located in, Some Army Civilian Police have Memorandums of Understanding with the local subdivisions of their prospective states granting them authority and some are written into state law giving the statutory authority... i have heard of some USMC Civilian Police that have to turn in their Badge and ID after their shift. THAT REALLY SUCKS!!!... DOD Agencies like NSA, DLA, NGA, DCIS, and PFPA dont have this problem. Our agencies grant us arrest and off duty carry. ALTHOUGH WITHOUT AN MOU, SOME OF US CAN NOT ENFORCE STATE LAW OFF OF OUR INSTALLATIONS. WE HAVE TO TURN OFFENDERS OF STATE LAWS OVER TO THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES. (Which I have NO PROBLEM with)

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The poop in the scoop again is that the passing of HR675 will give us ALL statutory authority and take the power away from the base commanders that are hindering our fellow officers that work for the military. They will NO LONGER be able to punish officers for doing their job of arresting a DUI who just so happens to be the base commanders son. They can no longer take power away from the officers because they dont agree that they or their family & friends should be prosecuted under the same federal law that they make you enforce on everyone else. NO, it wont make us all one big DOD Police Department. We will still be under our seperate agencies, with our own chiefs, and our own specific duties as per our agencies needs, but we will all be under the same page and have the same protection when it comes to doing our job. The base commanders can still impose their own base policies, rules and regulation that they want enforced for the better of their bases, but they wont be able to stop you from enforcing federal law on their friends and family, or even the commanders themselves. This is what scares those commanders to the point of taking away some of the officers badges and ID's when they are off duty. The Military commanders have full control over their Military Police and for now over their Civilian Police as well. But with statutory authority, they will lose the control that they have over the civilian officer's authority. There will be a federal statute they even the base commanders will not be able to escape. They will too be subject to the authority of their own civilian police if they step out of line. And that scares the hell out of them.

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Yeah, the same open carry law also applies here in Virginia. It is an open carry state. But a law passed last year now, get this, allows citizens with concealed carry permits to carry into bars and restaraunts that serve alcohol as long as they don't consume alcohol. Sarge15mp is right,, pass the HR 675 and we all are good. We in Virginia are lucky enough to have the law passed in our favor. And when I go out of state, I was in Ohio for Thanksgiving, I carried on my badge and was welcomed with open arms by L/E there.   WE NEED TO PASS THE HR 675. WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMEN!!!!!!!!! SPAM THE HELL OUTTA THEM, IT'LL GET PASSED. That's how we southern boys 'll do it. But even so, I don't believe there is a judge in the U.S. that will find a federal cop guilty of a CCW violation just the same.....just don't become a test case. And, if the S 1132 law applies to you but your agency says you can't carry off duty they are wrong in two categories; 1.) They can not over ride federal law that says you can, and 2) YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CARRY PER THE CONSTITUTION!!! Be safe brothers & sisters.

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Taking away the badges and I.D.'s won't take away your authority. Just carry your latest SF 50 with you if they DO take ur creds. You are still a cop, aren't you, off duty??? A Burger King worker off the clock is STILL a Burger King worker......LOL


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And by the way, the bases don't belong to the commanders, they belong to the U.S. PUBLIC. And the public has the right to quality law enforcementON the base, and, well, you know, yada, yada, yada,.....



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I'm just not sure about all this. Just how does one become a DOD Police Officer? To whom do they apply and what are the qualifications. What is their training? Is it standard throughout the DOD or depends on the base. WHO is in charge of these DOD Police? Many questions that most people do not know, including LEOs. If someone is a DOD Officer does this give them the legal right to enforce the laws by arrest and taking one into custody and to what extent is their authority. Frankly I was and still am under the impression that they have no more authority than base security police who for the most part have little to no formal training and no authority off-base and no legal right to carry without obtaining a CCW permit which I think should be issued or granted to these individuals and not a national carry permit like HR218. Fill me in and don't be using military sections or the UCMJ to make your case for authority. Remember that there are many safeguards in the US Constitution preventing and limiting military control over civilians even under Martial Law Being declared in an emergency.



One becomes a DOD Officer by applying through the respective branches human resource office, being selected at the location where there is an opening, completing a pre-employment screening, passing a background check, drug test etc. The standard for employment is basically the same everywhere. Either Military or a four year degree to be qualified with a background in policing.  Each installation (or group of installations in some cases) have their own chain of command that is similar to any local, county, or state agency.  Where a local, county, or state agency is granted their authority through their respective state's congress, our authority is granted to us through the united states congress through Title 10, USC.  The authority to arrest/apprehend is given to us on the federal property that we protect.  We primarily enforce the UCMJ over military members, however, we also arrest for offenses under the magistrate system, bringing civilian offenders before a federal judge for their crimes.  The Assimilative Crimes Act (18 USC 13) allows us to adopt state statute where the federal statute is lacking...this is primarily for traffic and various misdemeanor cases such as shoplifting (retail theft in my state).  If there is no magistrate available and we cannot rely on the local authorities to effect an arrest on a "civilian" offender, a mou is entered into with the local agency which allows us to operate within the state system. 


As far as training goes, there is a minimal baseline training which is the same as the "security police" training you mentioned.  At last check (admittedly several years ago) that training was accepted asa  valid police academy in several states.  From the basic "academy" type training, which is become a standardized training site at Ft. Leonard Wood, run by the Dept of the Army, the new hire reports to their respective worksite.  From there they have training from anywhere from a couple weeks to several months. Ours is a 485 hour "in house" academy that is consistant with the training required by our state's training and standars board. From there each Probationary Officer enters into an FTO program where they are required to pass a 12 week FTO program. Each of the FTO's is certified through the state's training and standars board.  From there Officers are allowed and encouraged to continue their training through the state's mobile training unit (MTU) and other various training sites.  Our firstline Supervisors attend the Northwestern University Center for Public Safety Police Supervision School and as they increae in rank they attend the Staff and Command School through NUCPS. 


The Office of Personnel Management have classified DOD as 0083 series which is Police Officer.  The OPM was mandated to make classifications of all federal employee's under the Kennedy administration to include the description of what they do. This was a mandate by law, therefore our classification has legal backing.  Our series is described as enforcing laws and arresting law breakers (in a nut shell).


I fail to see where a police officer working for the DOD would have any less right to protect themselves while off duty than any other police officer in the country. The "bad guys" we arrest/apprehend are no less bad than the ones in any other jurisdiction. LEOSA (HR 218) is exactly that...The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act.  Its intent isn't to allow officers to expand jurisdiction its to allow officers the means to keep themselves safe from those they've arrested.


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I'm just not sure about all this. Just how does one become a DOD Police Officer? To whom do they apply and what are the qualifications. What is their training? Is it standard throughout the DOD or depends on the base. WHO is in charge of these DOD Police? Many questions that most people do not know, including LEOs. If someone is a DOD Officer does this give them the legal right to enforce the laws by arrest and taking one into custody and to what extent is their authority. Frankly I was and still am under the impression that they have no more authority than base security police who for the most part have little to no formal training and no authority off-base and no legal right to carry without obtaining a CCW permit which I think should be issued or granted to these individuals and not a national carry permit like HR218. Fill me in and don't be using military sections or the UCMJ to make your case for authority. Remember that there are many safeguards in the US Constitution preventing and limiting military control over civilians even under Martial Law Being declared in an emergency.



One becomes a DOD Officer by applying through the respective branches human resource office, being selected at the location where there is an opening, completing a pre-employment screening, passing a background check, drug test etc. The standard for employment is basically the same everywhere. Either Military or a four year degree to be qualified with a background in policing.  Each installation (or group of installations in some cases) have their own chain of command that is similar to any local, county, or state agency.  Where a local, county, or state agency is granted their authority through their respective state's congress, our authority is granted to us through the united states congress through Title 10, USC.  The authority to arrest/apprehend is given to us on the federal property that we protect.  We primarily enforce the UCMJ over military members, however, we also arrest for offenses under the magistrate system, bringing civilian offenders before a federal judge for their crimes.  The Assimilative Crimes Act (18 USC 13) allows us to adopt state statute where the federal statute is lacking...this is primarily for traffic and various misdemeanor cases such as shoplifting (retail theft in my state).  If there is no magistrate available and we cannot rely on the local authorities to effect an arrest on a "civilian" offender, a mou is entered into with the local agency which allows us to operate within the state system. 


As far as training goes, there is a minimal baseline training which is the same as the "security police" training you mentioned.  At last check (admittedly several years ago) that training was accepted asa  valid police academy in several states.  From the basic "academy" type training, which is become a standardized training site at Ft. Leonard Wood, run by the Dept of the Army, the new hire reports to their respective worksite.  From there they have training from anywhere from a couple weeks to several months. Ours is a 485 hour "in house" academy that is consistant with the training required by our state's training and standars board. From there each Probationary Officer enters into an FTO program where they are required to pass a 12 week FTO program. Each of the FTO's is certified through the state's training and standars board.  From there Officers are allowed and encouraged to continue their training through the state's mobile training unit (MTU) and other various training sites.  Our firstline Supervisors attend the Northwestern University Center for Public Safety Police Supervision School and as they increae in rank they attend the Staff and Command School through NUCPS. 


The Office of Personnel Management have classified DOD as 0083 series which is Police Officer.  The OPM was mandated to make classifications of all federal employee's under the Kennedy administration to include the description of what they do. This was a mandate by law, therefore our classification has legal backing.  Our series is described as enforcing laws and arresting law breakers (in a nut shell).


I fail to see where a police officer working for the DOD would have any less right to protect themselves while off duty than any other police officer in the country. The "bad guys" we arrest/apprehend are no less bad than the ones in any other jurisdiction. LEOSA (HR 218) is exactly that...The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act.  Its intent isn't to allow officers to expand jurisdiction its to allow officers the means to keep themselves safe from those they've arrested.



I thought we became DOD Officers by clicking our heels 3 times and stating "there's no place like the defense department". So thats why they made me do a physical and checked into my background and sent me to Georgia for 11 weeks and made me do all that police academy type stuff....

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