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Routine Traffic Stop: "Shots Fired!"

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This link is arguably one of the clearest videos I have seen in a long time: Good visual and excellent audio.


Before you view it, make sure your volume is up.


What you can do is right click, then select "Open in New Tab". That way you can toggle back and forth between the article / video for running commentary. Also click on the right bottom corner of the video so you can fill your screen. Hit Escape (upper left button) to minimize.


Make up your own mind about what you see.


I will offer this so we are clear: Good shoot, glad the officer took care of business (very cool under fire) and glad that he was cleared.


You can comment both positive and instructive critique. Any anti-LEO commentary will earn a permanent sanction. This is not negotiable.


Take a look!


www.missoulian.com/news/local/article_2dd02134-477f-11df-aba6-001cc4c002e0.html


Thanks to Shpd57 for the submission.


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Wow. I am glad he (the officer) is ok. I would like to think I would react that well in that situation!


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 Great job by the officer when the stop went south.  Although he seemed a little complacent, until the gun came out!  Great reaction to the threat at hand, stayed under control under the threatening circumstances.  Just seemed a bit slow on the draw.


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Amazing vid and audio was excellent. That was scary just watching from the safety of my own home. I am so glad that this Officer was okay. I think he was shocked when the shot went off and he appeared to have this look like "did this a-hole just shoot at me?" .. This is why I respect our guys on the street so much. This guy was probably gonna be DUI and he knew it. The Cop realized this from the man driving through a light in a turn only lane. Routine? Not at all. I don't think any stop for our guys out there is ever routine. This is proof of that. Stay safe!


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Glad the Officer is ok. God was watching after him that night..!!!


If that first “click” happened to be a live round, we could be mourning the death of this brother…


 


 


Sarge,


Thanks for submitting this video.


In my view it could be one those case study on what to do and what not to do when approaching a vehicle.


 I was not there, I will not criticize this Officer’s tactical –or-not so tactical- approach, but I most insist: Nothing is routine on the job. We tend to become confident, relaxed, complacent.


 That state of mind could cost you your life. Please keep in mind: Not such thing as “routine” ANYTHING.


Please remember to clear anything and everything. Nothing is clear until you clear it. Nothing is safe until you render it safe…


 Expect the best, but PLEASE, train and prepare for the worst.


 

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I too am glad he is OK, and also glad the scumbag is NOT. However, here is my view on the officers actions. First, Never hold anything in your gun hand. He had his flashlight in his gun hand the whole time. Second, never stand right in front of the door. Always stand slightly behind. And third, when I conduct a DWI stop in limited light situations, I shine my light directly in the drivers eyes every few seconds, just to keep the Night vision advantage.


All in all it was a good shoot and it could have been much worse. I'm very glad it made it to video instead of ODMP. Thanks Sarge.

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I looked at this several times, the officer is right handed and he ended up putting the flashlight in his right hand. Not a good thing to do. Glad this worked out for the good guys


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This should be an excellent lesson for all officers on this website.  NEVER EVER stand next to the drivers door, or forward of the drivers door on a traffic stop.  I don't like pointing out things that officers did not do right on a traffic stop, but if it will save an officers life, so be it. 


This officer had great reaction to the incident.  If he had not have been observant, he would have been dead.  This would be an excellent training video in the police academy, or roll-call. 


Always stand behind the drivers doorpost, and the driver would have to swing the gun all the way around to shoot at you.  You will then be able to see any sudden movements and it will give you a few more seconds to react.  It appeared this driver had the gun in his left hand, hidden from view.  This officer reacted just in time go get out of the line of fire, while drawing his pistol. 


Very lucky officer.  Officers should always ask themselves, WHAT IF?  While approaching on a traffic stop, or any other situation.  WHAT IF this guy pulls a gun, WHAT IF the back up lights come on, am I ready for that type of situation?  It is preparing mentally for a bad situation, but you will be ready, and you will know how you are going to react to a situation, and what your escape routes might be.  It could save your life.


Glad this officer is okay.


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Did anyone else heared a "click" before the fired round or it's just me? I believe the gun misfired or the hammer dropped on an empty or fire round before the perp actually fires the "first" round... That's why I said that God was watching after him... Do you guys hear that or it's just me...????

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Man! Glad he ended up alright. He did quite the double take there. I can't speak as to propper procedure, but it looked like he deflected the gun away from him and ducked low and to the right. That's about the best thing you can do. He used my textbook swear word as well. "whao S***" that's exactly what I would have said. I just thought that was interesting. Good job officer, very collected.

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Glad the officer is okay. 

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Did anyone else heared a "click" before the fired round or it's just me? I believe the gun misfired or the hammer dropped on an empty or fire round before the perp actually fires the "first" round... That's why I said that God was watching after him... Do you guys hear that or it's just me...????



It did Frank you can read the story


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Man! Glad he ended up alright. He did quite the double take there. I can't speak as to propper procedure, but it looked like he deflected the gun away from him and ducked low and to the right. That's about the best thing you can do. He used my textbook swear word as well. "whao S***" that's exactly what I would have said. I just thought that was interesting. Good job officer, very collected.



The officer did exactly what he was suppost to do, you are right.  Always throw something into the shooters face, or at this range, knock the gun away and move. When they react by turning their head or flinching this will allow you more time to react, draw and fire. 


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fplasencia says ...



Did anyone else heared a "click" before the fired round or it's just me? I believe the gun misfired or the hammer dropped on an empty or fire round before the perp actually fires the "first" round... That's why I said that God was watching after him... Do you guys hear that or it's just me...????



It did Frank you can read the story



Bill, you have the link for the story?

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Good critique, guyz. You are on it.


Let's keep putting our comments on this.


Think. Think.


Idea: Do not pick up the flashlight. It is evidence as to where you were last standing?


Yes?


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I found it. Same page different tab... Thanks.

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fplasencia says ...



bill9823 says ...



fplasencia says ...





Bill, you have the link for the story?



Frank, it is there next to the tab that reads "Video". Click on the tab that says "Story".


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This vehicle looked like a Lincoln Navagator or a late model van/SUV.  Some officers might become relaxed when stopping a vehicle like this, becasue they do not feel threatened.  They might feel the driver is an upper class citizen, and thus no threat to the officer.  NEVER assume anything.  These types of vehicles are high on the stolen car list.  Gang members love them.   If it moves, it's a possible threat, don't let your guard down just becasue it's a nice vehicle.


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I am so happy Officer Jessop survived.  This is a great training video with a happier ending then the most I see.  God Bless you Officer Jessop.


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Oh God… I was right. The gun misfired on the first round.
God bless you brother..!!!
After reading the story I got some chicken’s skin. God was truly watching after you brother.
The Officer’s reactions after the misfired round are very much textbook. Nevertheless, I question his approach to the vehicle. Flashlight in the wrong hand, position, relaxation, and so on.
Like I said before: Nothing is clear until YOU clear it. Nothing is safe until YOU render it safe…
It is extremely rewarding to know he went home at the end of the shift.

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This vehicle looked like a Lincoln Navagator or a late model van/SUV.  Some officers might become relaxed when stopping a vehicle like this, becasue they do not feel threatened.  They might feel the driver is an upper class citizen, and thus no threat to the officer.  NEVER assume anything.  These types of vehicles are high on the stolen car list.  Gang members love them.   If it moves, it's a possible threat, don't let your guard down just becasue it's a nice vehicle.

Good eyes JIMROC, that is exactly what the vehicle was. A Lincoln Navigator.

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When training Officers under “reduced light conditions” I always like to point a flashlight directly into their eyes, and tell them to fire at a target (7 yards) and try to score a hit.
Many get surprised when they find out they can’t see anything to shoot at for a few seconds… Then I tell them: “Those few seconds is what you’ll have in your favor when you use your flashlight properly”
Also, I always like to put emphasis on flashlight / gun positions: Stack hands, Side-by-side, FBI method, so on and so forth.

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I 'm glad the officer is alright, Makes my skin crawl to hear the pop. I went back and watched it again to see if I could hear the click Frank was talking about. Yep.  The deflecting the gun and move down and to the back of the vech was a good move. We don't do traffic stops so I haven't had a lot of experience with them. Strange, we do train for traffic stops !!!


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     Bone Chilling Video!!!! I agree with FP and others on several points. Someone was definately watching this Officer. I heard the "click" of the misfire as well.  Failure to watch hands, complacency, poor approach, relaxing too soon, position at the violator's vehicle. Any one of these things done poorly can be tragic. I'm not going to second guess this Officer by any means. I know one thing, though. He learned or re-learned something that night. Things can go South in a heartbeat!!


   I teach my "up and comings" to stand at the door post so the violator has to look over his shoulder. And there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with a passenger side approach, especially at night. I also like the idea of an occassional "light in the eyes" to the violator "done in an apparant accidental manner".


  I also let my rookies know that I never want to hear the phrases: "Routine Traffic Stop", "Routine Fight Call", "Routine Disturbance" or "Routine Patrol". If it's "Routine", it's wrong and could go south. Stay on your toes, do what you have to do to surivive, and go home at the end of your shift.


  Thanks for the article and video, Sarge!!


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Looks like a good shoot to me. Glad the officer is ok.


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I too am glad he is OK, and also glad the scumbag is NOT. However, here is my view on the officers actions. First, Never hold anything in your gun hand. He had his flashlight in his gun hand the whole time. Second, never stand right in front of the door. Always stand slightly behind. And third, when I conduct a DWI stop in limited light situations, I shine my light directly in the drivers eyes every few seconds, just to keep the Night vision advantage.


All in all it was a good shoot and it could have been much worse. I'm very glad it made it to video instead of ODMP. Thanks Sarge.



Exactly what I was going to say. He is extrememly lucky, standing where he was, that he wasn't hit outright. The suspect's possible intoxication might have helped with that. Still, pretty good reaction, and great shoot.


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THANKS FOR POSTING THE VIDEO. IT MAD ME WATCH A FEW OF MY TRAFFIC STOPS. I SEEN A FEW THINGS I DO WRONG, THAT WILL KNOW BE CORRECTED. BE SAFE OUT THERE PEOPLE. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ANY OF US LEOS.


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This vehicle looked like a Lincoln Navagator or a late model van/SUV.  Some officers might become relaxed when stopping a vehicle like this, becasue they do not feel threatened.  They might feel the driver is an upper class citizen, and thus no threat to the officer.  NEVER assume anything.  These types of vehicles are high on the stolen car list.  Gang members love them.   If it moves, it's a possible threat, don't let your guard down just becasue it's a nice vehicle.



Absolutely right on.  It is a Lincoln Navigator and it is a very common ride even in the hood.  They could be very legit and it could be a G-Ride and or stolen.  Type of vehicle means nothing to me in regards to the "class of citizen."  Any vehicle that we make a traffic stop on may have just been stolen or otherwise used in a crime just minutes earlier.  It's importance is that you know what type of vehicle it is (make, model, color and plate) and that you had already broadcast the information when you initiated the stop.  That way if it goes south as this stop went, the information already exists.


I am glad it turned out well for the officer despite the already mentioned tactics.  Good recovery Maverick.  Great push, duck and cover.  Definitely a Whoa $h!t moment.

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Idea: How often do we change up with a passenger-side approach?


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Because I have been off the road for so long, why is a passenger side approach any better? It seems to me that the driver has a better field of view looking over his shoulder to the right and a more clear line of fire than if you approach the drivers side standing just behind the driver keeping him/her off balance


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