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I just passed my entrance exam for the police academy and when i fill out my  p.o.s.t. application it asks about your criminal history. I broke into a store when i was 15 or so and i cant remember if i was charged or if i even went to court. I am gonna be truthfull on my app but nobody knows how i can get my juvenile records. I have been to my local sheriffs dept, Juvenile court systems and the county clerks office and i cant get anywhere. Can anyone give me some usefull info please? Also this happened  almost 20 years ago, hope this is not going to be a problem. Any suggestions?

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  If you were arrested, then you were charged. If not and you were able to leave the scene before being caught, then a warrant may had been issued for your arrest if law enforcement was able to identify you and place you at the scene. In Texas, you can go to a county jail (within the jurisdiction of where the offense occured) to retrieve a criminal history for a fee. But I'm not sure how that procedure is done where you're at.


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I have pulled my criminal history and it was clean. I just need to find out about my juvenile record and how i can  get the information i need for my app........month,day,year i was arrested,charges,etc........noboby seems to know how to obtain this information.

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How do you not remember if you went to court or was charged? 


I guess just be honest and tell them what you "remember.


As a civilian you usually can't pull juv records but a BG investigator will find it. 


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Well i did not do any time and i think i had probation for a year. But i am not sure. I can remember only small details, besides it was 20 years ago and back then i didnt care, just hope it will not cost me a career in LE.

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If your parents are still alive maybe they remember or have paperwork.  Again just be honest.


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No dads deceased and mom cant remember either but im sure everything will come together. Just a little annoying

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If you had probation, then you went to court. That is the only way that you would have been sentenced. Not to be rude, but I am not buying the don't remember thing. I pulled up some flowers when I was six at a park and remember getting told on by a kid on a scooter. His grandpa was the groundskeeper. I had to spend two hours replanting new flowers. Juvenile records usually go away when you turn 18. An investigator would have to dig deep to find it. If you have been clean since, I don't see it hurting you.

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Thanks, schultzy004.  I don't buy the "don't remember" thing either.  Who forgets being "fifteen or so" and getting caught for breaking into a store?



 


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If you had probation, then you went to court. That is the only way that you would have been sentenced. Not to be rude, but I am not buying the don't remember thing. I pulled up some flowers when I was six at a park and remember getting told on by a kid on a scooter. His grandpa was the groundskeeper. I had to spend two hours replanting new flowers. Juvenile records usually go away when you turn 18. An investigator would have to dig deep to find it. If you have been clean since, I don't see it hurting you.


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I think you should be fine since you were a juvenile. A juvenile record is probably the most protected documents in the system. Like others stated just be honest. The backgrounds I have conducted I never inquired regarding a juvenile record and only concentrated on adult records.

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I just passed my entrance exam for the police academy and when i fill out my  p.o.s.t. application it asks about your criminal history. I broke into a store when i was 15 or so and i cant remember if i was charged or if i even went to court. I am gonna be truthfull on my app but nobody knows how i can get my juvenile records. I have been to my local sheriffs dept, Juvenile court systems and the county clerks office and i cant get anywhere. Can anyone give me some usefull info please? Also this happened  almost 20 years ago, hope this is not going to be a problem. Any suggestions?



Where I am B&E in the nighttime is a serious felony.  So now you're 35 or so? Your post here if I understand correctly is that a multitude of professionals in the LE field, courts and lawyers cannot help you recover your "lost memory" and you come here for help?  Something sets the copdar going here. I think you have more problems than you are letting on.

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No Sgt405 no problems, Have not been in trouble since then,married have kids and worked my entire life.Had to tow a burnt car last night and was talking to a sheriffs deputy,he said that he did not have a clue how to obtain my juvy records. I told him there was nothing on my criminal record and he said he would not say anything about my juvy record,told him i would not feel comfortable doing that......And this was coming from a sheriffs deputy

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I will try to be a little more clear on the subject.......I remember being 15,i remember braking into a store. On my post app it asks for the mmddyy of the arrest,probation start dates and end dates, fines, depositions,charges filed,etc..... It is the detailed info i cant remember

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You ought to know where you lived when you were 15, and be able to figure what calendar year that was.  Don't know your state, but you ought to be able to find the juvenile court that had jurisdiction in that city at that time.

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Talked to a friend who works for a judge where i live and the judge told us that the only way to have your juvenile records opened was by court order from a judge and the chances for that where slim to none. He also told us that he has never opened up juvenile records for job related reasons including LE. Then i talked to a guy i know that is one of the top instructers at the academy where i live and he said dont worry about your juvenile record as long as it wasnt somthing major like murder,rape etc....told him what is was and he said not to list it on my app but well see

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The Deputy, the friend and the Judge don't do backgrounds. 


I have had many applicants in my office and I ask them about a prior arrest and they shocked.  They tell me that they were told it was expundged, in was a juvenile sealed record.....  I explain to them that the question is very simple.  Have you EVER been arrested, charged, or a suspect in a criminal investigation. There is no "unless it's been expunged, sealed or found not guilty". 


 


If you don't tell your BG Investigator about it I don't care.  But if he finds out you lied you will have that hanging over your head for every dept you apply for and NEVER get hired.


Good Luck.


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jakesdad. It must be a state to state thing on the expungement. I attended an expungement hearing and the judge signed off on the expungement and informed the party that the arrest disappeared and did not happen. I spoke to the judge and he informed me once the court expunges the arrest record it did not occur. I was never a back ground investigator however, I ignored juvenile records and arrest records of those with expunged arrest records. The problem is people want to associate arrest with conviction and they are miles apart.

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jakesdad. It must be a state to state thing on the expungement. I attended an expungement hearing and the judge signed off on the expungement and informed the party that the arrest disappeared and did not happen. I spoke to the judge and he informed me once the court expunges the arrest record it did not occur. I was never a back ground investigator however, I ignored juvenile records and arrest records of those with expunged arrest records. The problem is people want to associate arrest with conviction and they are miles apart.



I'll go with jakesdad on this one, there is an extremely limited set of people with the abilitiy to access juvenile expunged records.  I don't believe they ever go away completely, they are just very well hidden.

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Casscocop. I realize he has alot of experience. I may be a little too open minded as the few background interviews I conducted I did not even ask about infractions as a child and a expungement wipes the slate clean as adults. I generally only concerned myself with convictions rather than arrest records.

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so should i list my juvy record on my p.o.s.t. application? Even if i do not remember the correct dates and charges...

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so should i list my juvy record on my p.o.s.t. application? Even if i do not remember the correct dates and charges...



It depends on what they are asking. It should be clear if they want that info or not.

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There is a saying that Police live by "If you lie, you die". If somebody finds that you are holding back on something or lying about it, you are done. I think if you put something that happened when you were 15 on your application, they won't pay much attention to it. 1, because it happened so long ago, and 2, because you were a juvenile. But, if they find that you held out information, they may not react well. I would put it on there.

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Thanks for the advice......I would loose alot of sleep if i did not list it on my appplication, its just wierd to hear someone that works for the academy to tell you not to list your juvenile record on your application

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If they instructed you to not list a juvenile record, then follow instructions and don't. If you have been given an answer by a person that you are submitting the application to, go by that advice. It is obvious that you are not going to get a clear, agreed upon answer to your question on this forum. Instead of trying to decide which one of us that you are going to listen to, do what you were instructed to do by the people you are submitting the application to.

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Well i did not do any time and i think i had probation for a year. But i am not sure. I can remember only small details, besides it was 20 years ago and back then i didnt care, just hope it will not cost me a career in LE.



Something doesn't sound right here.  I can remember 20 years ago with no problem.  I would certainly know if I went to court for a criminal offense. I can remember every prank I did in High School.  Some i got caught for, (Not arrested), some I didn't.  That was over 40 years ago. 


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In Colorado your Juvenile record would not follow you, becasue Juveniles do not commit crimes, they commit acts.  They are not found guilty, they are found involved.  Therefore when asked if they ever committed a crime, they could honestly say, no. 


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smurphy385717 says ...



Well i did not do any time and i think i had probation for a year. But i am not sure. I can remember only small details, besides it was 20 years ago and back then i didnt care, just hope it will not cost me a career in LE.



Something doesn't sound right here.  I can remember 20 years ago with no problem.  I would certainly know if I went to court for a criminal offense. I can remember every prank I did in High School.  Some i got caught for, (Not arrested), some I didn't.  That was over 40 years ago. 



Did you list your shenanigans on your application?LOL

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Well i did not do any time and i think i had probation for a year. But i am not sure. I can remember only small details, besides it was 20 years ago and back then i didnt care, just hope it will not cost me a career in LE.



Something doesn't sound right here.  I can remember 20 years ago with no problem.  I would certainly know if I went to court for a criminal offense. I can remember every prank I did in High School.  Some i got caught for, (Not arrested), some I didn't.  That was over 40 years ago. 



Did you list your shenanigans on your application?LOL



Hell no!


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In Colorado your Juvenile record would not follow you, becasue Juveniles do not commit crimes, they commit acts.  They are not found guilty, they are found involved.  Therefore when asked if they ever committed a crime, they could honestly say, no. 



Ahh ... I get it. Similar in Texas where juveniles don't commit crimes, because it's considered "Deliquent Conduct" instead.


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I have a similar question. I had stolen a CD from Wal-mart and ended up getting arrested about six years ago in New Mexico. I recently spoke to both the PD that I got arrested and the probation office that I did my probation at and they said that the record has been sealed and destroyed and the PD nor the Probation office had any record of it because she said when the person turns 18 it is sealed and expunged and when the person turns 23 it is completely destroyed and there is no record of it whatsoever. I am applying for a Police officer position in Texas and need to know if I need to put that on my police history statement. PLEASE HELP!

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