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First of all I realize that there are those companies out there that stubbornly refuse to arm their officers for simple self defense even though it is easy and relatively inexpensive to do so.


A "Naked Site" is a site that will not allow an officer to carry any form of protective equipment at all be it handcuffs, pepper spray, or baton.


(I won't get into tasers as the company I work for won't allow trining in them anyway because they are "Too controversial") I am trained in the use af all of the aformentioned devices and do carry them on my duty belt on a semi regular basis. THe trouble I have is those sites that won't allow them because they don't want the show of force. If somthing does go wrong anf some jerk pulls a weapon you have NO tactical responce at hand to deal with it. Our local Fairgrounds in one of the worst culprits and potentially one of the most dangerous.

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How are these companies stubborn? There are a lot of things to look at when you arm a Security guard/Officer. Some people in Security should be even be allowed to touch a weapon.


Why does a security company need to have all their guards/ officers armed?


Also, like I have stated in other topics, the client (s) determine what is to be done on thier site. They also have a part in deciding what training is appropriate for their site. They will normally work with the security company..


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I think the word "liability" comes to mind.......................

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I think the word "liability" comes to mind.......................



Thanks Phideaux


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K9_4_life says ...



I think the word "liability" comes to mind.......................



Thanks Phideaux



Anytime sir, anytime...............

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I've heard it called, an armed or not armed site or assignment.  "Naked site" sounds like a slang term, and could be confused with a xxx website, or a strip club.  Where you working these days?  Oh I work at a naked site.  Sounds like a bouncer's job.  lol 

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I was thinking the same thing! Please use a better word than "naked". 


 


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I've heard it called, an armed or not armed site or assignment.  "Naked site" sounds like a slang term, and could be confused with a xxx website, or a strip club.  Where you working these days?  Oh I work at a naked site.  Sounds like a bouncer's job.  lol 



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I've heard it called, an armed or not armed site or assignment.  "Naked site" sounds like a slang term, and could be confused with a xxx website, or a strip club.  Where you working these days?  Oh I work at a naked site.  Sounds like a bouncer's job.  lol 



LOL.. You have a good point...


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The term "Naked Site" is used by the company I work for, I didn't make it up. Our officers are actually trained in all of the things we use if you are not trained in it you don't carry it. I DO have to agree that there are some companies out there Crowd Management in particular who I wouldn't trust with anything. But that isn't the point. THe point is what is an officer to do if assaulted the "STOP! or I'll yell stop again approach" is a liability against the officer's safety. You need to have a DEFENSIVE ability at hand.


Besides I'm not refering to firearms, just tactical defensive items like pepper spray, batons, and cuffs.

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Rdnk Fire Dad, would you work at Coronado Center, or at some apartment complex in southeast Albuquerque without a minimum of oc spay?  I have had to use force many times in the two above situations to protect myself.  Yes, I know several security personnel make the entire industry look bad.  I think the point is, are you working a real security job in a lowlife apartment complex surrounded by $hitbags who hate all those in uniform, or are you working at some nice office place where your title is security guard, but you are really just there for customer service.  In a lowlife environment, you need a minumum of at least oc. 


Rdnk Fire Dad, do you know what is going on with all the criminal activity in the security industry in Albuquerque.  Did you know one of the people we used to work for is facing criminal charges for fraud and cashing checks that were signed to ghost employees, also one police chief of a small town was a co-owner of the company, and now he may be indicted.  Pm me and I will give you the details, or I can post the story on PL, from the news.


Bu55c, the sad truth is no one will ever respect you as a security guard.  I have learned this the hard way if you have not already.  Wearing the same basket weave belt, being certified in everything from taser to firearms, seems to annoy police.  In general leos in my opinon don't trust security, and are irritated with them, and security should keep there distance from them.  If you ever want to get some real respect become a real police officer.  Right now, I am on track to put myself through an academy, and if that does not work out, I am on track to go to law school.  No matter how many guys you bust shopliting, riding skateboards, doing grafetti, beating up there girlfriends, smoking pot, drinking, speeding though the parking lot, as a security guard you will never get any respect.  Go to school, and in a few years you might get some respect instead of someone participating in cyber buylling posting repeated harrasing comments that you FAILED, good luck.

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Bu55c, the sad truth is no one will ever respect you as a security guard.  I have learned this the hard way if you have not already.  Wearing the same basket weave belt, being certified in everything from taser to firearms, seems to annoy police.  In general leos in my opinon don't trust security, and are irritated with them, and security should keep there distance from them.  If you ever want to get some real respect become a real police officer.  Right know I am on track to put myself through an academy, and if that does not work out, I am on track to go to law school.  No matter how many guys you bust shopliting, riding skateboards, doing grafetti, beating up there girlfriends, smoking pot, drinking, speeding though the parking lot, as a security guard you will never get any respect.  Go to school, and in a few years you might get some respect instead of someone engageing in cyber buylling posting repeated harrasing comments that you FAILED, good luck.


 


You are pretty much correct, I have been on both sides of the table here. The training is the difference, some places all you have to do to qualify as a security guard is be able to walk and breathe. I have seen many, as I am sure you have, security guards that give all a bad name.


The people that work for me are trained by a security company and by my long standing staff, the Deputies here feel like most are beneath them but as they get to know the caliber of people I hire they tend tp see them in a different light, not as equals but not as ..... I am not going there.


That being said I detect a bit of sarcasm in your post and want to caution you about disrespect of verified LEO's on this site.



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Rdnk Fire Dad, would you work at Coronado Center, or at some apartment complex in southeast Albuquerque without a minimum of oc spay?  I have had to use force many times in the two above situations to protect myself.  Yes, I know several security personnal make the entire industry look bad.  I think the point is, are you working a real security job in a lowlife apartment complex surrounded by $hitbags who hate all those in uniform, or are you working at some nice office place where your title is security guard, but you are really just there for customer service.  In a lowlife environment, you need a minumum of at least oc. 


Rdnk Fire Dad, do you know what is going on with all the criminal activity in the security industry in Albuquerque.  Did you know one of the people we used to work for is facing criminal charges for fraud and cashing checks that were signed to ghost employees, also one police chief of a small town was a co-owner of the company, and now he may be indicted.  Pm me and I will give you the details, or I can post the story on PL, from the news.


Bu55c, the sad truth is no one will ever respect you as a security guard.  I have learned this the hard way if you have not already.  Wearing the same basket weave belt, being certified in everything from taser to firearms, seems to annoy police.  In general leos in my opinon don't trust security, and are irritated with them, and security should keep there distance from them.  If you ever want to get some real respect become a real police officer.  Right know I am on track to put myself through an academy, and if that does not work out, I am on track to go to law school.  No matter how many guys you bust shopliting, riding skateboards, doing grafetti, beating up there girlfriends, smoking pot, drinking, speeding though the parking lot, as a security guard you will never get any respect.  Go to school, and in a few years you might get some respect instead of someone engageing in cyber buylling posting repeated harrasing comments that you FAILED, good luck.



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I'm not sure where that came from but I, too, detect sarcasm and hopefully it was not directed to a well-respected mod on PL. 

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I don't see anywhere in my post where I have disrespected a verified leo.  My point is this, I will attempt to re-word it, would a police officer feel safe working without his tools, gun, oc spray, radio etc?  On a smaller scale, would any reasonble man with average intellegence put themselves in harms way without some way to defend themselves?  Yes, many security personnel may not fit the legal profile as a reasonable man of average intelligence, and if that is the case they should not be working security.


Yes, security are not the same as police, and many people do not want security people armed etc.  That being said, to the average gangster $hitbag thug who the apartment security officer runs into, you wear a uniform you are a target.  The gangster thugs don't care if you are a leo, or a mere security guard, they will still attack you.  A security guard may even be considered an easier target.  In the civilized world there are leos, and security etc.  When I worked in prison they used to call all of us "cops" even though we were just C/O's.  They consider all in uniform some sort of cop, as they word it, bank cop, mall cop etc.  Strange, but that is how the inmates perceive it, they see it as one big system against them.


I have the highest respect for the men in women who are serving and dealing with these animals in our society.  Sometimes online, my words my be misunderstood.

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I have worked security before getting into LE and I think the respect thing has a lot to do with the company you work for also, and the level of training you have, I worked for two diff companies (one before being a LEO and one After when i moved and had not got back into LE) and the amount of respect was way diff...


 
the first place I worked was great the Local PD was always glad to come help and in fact there was a waiting list for them to come work off-duty on special events. We had three weeks of training every year before we could start work (it is a seasonal job at an amusement park yea yea I know) only the supervisors are armed (with a firearm everyone had OC) but then again in the city I lived in you have to have a Security license thru the Police Board of commissioners and they have different classes, class A being the Highest (both armed and unarmed). With a class A you have powers of arrest (but not to the level as a police officer’s all your “powers ended off the clock or off property period)  most everyone working there were collage students and it was offered as an internship.  And most go on to be police officers (when hiring they company uses that as a recruiting tool). We has a great working relationship with the PD. Like I said most “Rangers” as we were called ended up as LEO in the area or in the state Highway patrol, but then again the head of security was a Sgt on the local department and was in charge of their air unit.
 
The second company I worked for was not near as good or respected. At all. No training, the local PD did not show any respect to us ( un till they found out I had worked at the other place, then only I got it, or when I told them I was a LEO, but I did not give that info out very much)  we were still class A and allowed to have handcuffs but no other weapons not even OC, we were told it was because of “liability” now it was the site the company as a whole had armed and other unarmed sites were OC was allows (those sites did not get any respect from the PD either) yet we dealt with some very violent people, I was placed on the evening shift, and I was told this, because I has the training to handle the violent people, and I was to protect the female guard, no joke, the female had been asking for years to get some OC but they would not let her have it. Now I think of Liability as what if SHE got hurt and had no way of protecting herself? When I bought that up I was told again, that’s why you are there…. She also had not training on how to handcuff anyone, even know the rule for a company to have officers that are Class A states the company must proved some training…
 
Maybe its just different areas, I no longer work in the security field yet know a lot off officers that do to help with some extra money and this is not the ‘off-duty” work were you get to wear your uniform no this is in a whole different town then we work… tell them that as a Leo you don’t respect security officers. I would never tell that to them.. they would give you an ear full


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I've heard it called, an armed or not armed site or assignment.  "Naked site" sounds like a slang term, and could be confused with a xxx website, or a strip club.  Where you working these days?  Oh I work at a naked site.  Sounds like a bouncer's job.  lol 



LOL.. You have a good point...


I believe in the corporate world it is refered to as casual friday. Some places take it to extremes.

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To the OP: You're not a Cop. You don't see, or deal with what we deal with. You will NEVER convince me otherwise. EVER!!! Therefore, you don't need the same tools we do. Yeah, you may be out there when the thugs and Low Lives are out there. What makes you different than any other schmoe? The Most valuable tool you have isn't a Baton, or OC Spray, or a Taser. It's you Freaking PHONE!!! Call 911!!! You have absoluetly NO authority to deal with someone beating up his girlfriend, smoking pot, drinking, or speeding through the parking lot. NONE. Call the People that have the authority. Observe and Report. Know your place. You ARE NOT The Police.


to the 115 character: Like you were told, watch your tone guy. Some people around here don't take so kindly to your "opinion" of how Police Officers think. And how in the hell would you know how we think anyway?


I'll leave this one for someone else to pick up. I don't like talking to a brick wall.

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OP. "OOOOOOOOOOOOO". LOL.

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I agree and disagree with whats being said here so far.  While I do agree that in general LEO's don't show the same respect to Security as they do to other LEO's.  However I also believe that as a Security Officer myself, I get respect or at least am humored to make me think I'm getting respect.  I am not your typicall SO either, I put myself through the academy, dress and act professional, and show nothing but complete respect for any and all LEO's that come into my site.  I have a great working relationship with the local guys.  Our site lets you carry handcuffs and a baton if your certified, other contracts I do are fully armed.  The other guys at my site don't always get the same respect...I'm not saying I'm any better than anybody else, I just present myself a little better than some SO's.  If you want respect from the local PD you have to earn it..bu55c as far as the site not allowing you to carry anything, you need to contact your supervisor and set up a meeting with the security advisor from the site.  Explain to him that you have the proper training, and proper training will be provided to EVERYONE who will be carrying anything on his or her belt.  Also explain to them the need for you to be able to carry.  Start slow, maybe with handcuffs, then work on OC, then Baton etc...  Take your time be patient and professional, my site went from having nothing to currently working on getting tasers.  If you commit to it, your work will pay off. 


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