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This article was located elsewhere on the web, so I can not validate it's authenticity. The reported problems do seem that they are legitimate, due to the Gen 4 recoil assembly. I was wondering how long it would be before problems started arising......


"I was also at the range with my best friend.  He purchased a Generation 4 Glock 17 on the same day I bought my M&P.  He didn't have my same luck as he experienced multiple FTFs (failures to feed) and one FTE (failure to eject).  Photos follow."




Gen 4 Glock 17 Failure to Eject


Despite the bad day for his Glock, he's optimistic that it is just going through a break-in period and that these malfunctions will cease after a few hundred more rounds.  I don't share his optimism.  I might be compelled to send this back to Glock if it were my pistol.  That many failures could either indicate a lemon or a larger production issue.  This is strange as I've never owned or known anyone that owned a Glock that malfunctioned like this.  He used multiple magazines and multiple ammo types.  Malfunctions occurred with more than one type of ammo.


 
UPDATE on the Gen 4 Glock FTF/FTE problem:
 

Nah, [industry expert] predicted it would happen with the more lightly loaded ammo I was using.  Much domestic ammo is loaded to traditional 9mm specs which would NOT blow up your grandaddy's Luger or Browning Hi Power.  Modern NATO spec is hotter stuff, higher velocity.  He recommended I use European ammo like Fiocchi or Sellier and Beliot (S and B).
 This is happening fairly often with the new Gen4 G17s.  Obvious (and most agreed upon) cause is the stiff new recoil spring.  Many competitors use soft springs with custom handloaded ammo to get the softest recoil possible, therefore faster back on target, less muzzle rise, etc.  More powerful ammo needs  a more powerful spring to counteract all of that rearward momentum of the slide.

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Here's some photos of the differences between the G17 and the Gen4 G17. Courtesy of Glocktalk


(left) Glock 17RTF2 vs (right) Glock 17Gen4



(top) Glock 17RTF2 vs (bottom) Glock 17Gen4





I hope this information comes in handy....

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Also a side note on the RTF2 models.....


The new RTF2 pistols have standard vertical serrations, as the crescent serrations have been discontinued.

 



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I had a Clock 17, 1st Generation, have put over 10,000 rounds through it.  The only malfunctions that occured with it was from sub-standard ammo.


I have a Glock 19, 1st Generation, have put about 7,000 rounds through it, again only substandard ammo caused failures.


I have a Glock 30, 1,000 rounds and no failures.


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Smith and Wesson had a similar problem with their first generation 4506 pistols, only in reverse: the recoil spring was too weak and caused FTF malfunctions. A stiffer recoil spring cured the problem.


No new pistol should have the types and number of failures as did the 4th gen Glock. Break-in period? Seriously, this should not occur, nor should your friend continue to carry this pistol. Hopefully, he has returned it...


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Smith and Wesson had a similar problem with their first generation 4506 pistols, only in reverse: the recoil spring was too weak and caused FTF malfunctions. A stiffer recoil spring cured the problem.


No new pistol should have the types and number of failures as did the 4th gen Glock. Break-in period? Seriously, this should not occur, nor should your friend continue to carry this pistol. Hopefully, he has returned it...



No friend of mine...


This info was taken from an outside source and posted for y'alls benefit.


The issue is that most bargain brand 115 gr ammo is loaded light, and will not cycle the new heavier 'dual' spring design. Glock is trying to re-invent the wheel, when it should have been left alone.

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Sounds like it.... I've had a 1st generation Glock 23 and currently own a 3rd gen 21... both function(ed) flawlessly. While I am not a huge Glock fan, the ones that I have owned and shot have always been dependable.


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Sounds like it.... I've had a 1st generation Glock 23 and currently own a 3rd gen 21... both function(ed) flawlessly. While I am not a huge Glock fan, the ones that I have owned and shot have always been dependable.



The .40 and .45 have enough pressure to cycle the action, which is probably why we haven't heard any reports of the other Gen 4 models having issues. Well the .40 anyway.....the .45 isn't out yet.

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Only malfunctions I have experienced with any of the Glocks I have had or shot over the years was the Gen I 22 when I loaded 15 rds in the 15 rd mag.  Loaded them w/ 14 no more problems.  I had a reserve that oiled one too much and caused problems.  Seen another break a guide rod, but I think that was caused by it not being set right in the gun when re-assembled.


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I feel that most of you are missing the POINT here.  Glock reputation of past generation is not at issue.  It is the fact that there new generation and this one gun is.  I have also read in this link in the past two month that the New generation Glock 21 are blowing up in officers hands.  I have not heard any follow up on that story.   The question is "has anyone else had issues with the new generation Glocks?"   and if so let your brothers and sisters know.  I am sure that Glock with fix the issue if we just put the word out that there is a issue.




 

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Thx for pointing that out NOOB.  The point you failed to understand is there was nothing broken but they decided to fix it anyway


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Thx for pointing that out NOOB.  The point you failed to understand is there was nothing broken but they decided to fix it anyway

OH SNAP! Hahaha!

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Hey Scurge; that is spoken like a true tactical tupperware user. I am sorry that a decocking lever or a safe by your thumb is to difficulty for your simple mind to operate.  Glock 21 Blowing up in officers hands and failure to feeds issues in a 17 is and issue.  I bet you are the one that sold your Glock system to your boss and now can not figure out how to side step the issue.  It is easy shoot the 1911 system, it is American made, time tested, doesn't have these issues, and comes many different calibers.




Not that we both have lifted our leg up to the tree. Lets stick to the topic at hand “is any one else having the issue”.

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OK Scurge, you may now continue !!!!


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It seems like a one sided arguement, cat pass the popcorn.  Glock need to remeber "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

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GT, with an armorer's eye, I looked over your photos.


Before I look for burrs and other anomalys (so far not noted...), the question has to be asked:


How about operator error?


Lip wrist?


Inadequate grip, grip placement and trigger pull?


There isn't a semi-auto pistol anywhere that forgives unsat grip.


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Hey Scurge; that is spoken like a true tactical tupperware user. I am sorry that a decocking lever or a safe by your thumb is to difficulty for your simple mind to operate.  Glock 21 Blowing up in officers hands and failure to feeds issues in a 17 is and issue.  I bet you are the one that sold your Glock system to your boss and now can not figure out how to side step the issue.  It is easy shoot the 1911 system, it is American made, time tested, doesn't have these issues, and comes many different calibers.




Not that we both have lifted our leg up to the tree. Lets stick to the topic at hand “is any one else having the issue”.



I am very happy you have now lowered your leg. But comparing 1911s vs Glock? I guess 1911s never kB! No one keeps stats on catastrophic failures on 1911s.


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I think its mainly cheap ammo rather than the gun its self


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Hey Scurge; that is spoken like a true tactical tupperware user. I am sorry that a decocking lever or a safe by your thumb is to difficulty for your simple mind to operate.  Glock 21 Blowing up in officers hands and failure to feeds issues in a 17 is and issue.  I bet you are the one that sold your Glock system to your boss and now can not figure out how to side step the issue.  It is easy shoot the 1911 system, it is American made, time tested, doesn't have these issues, and comes many different calibers.




Not that we both have lifted our leg up to the tree. Lets stick to the topic at hand “is any one else having the issue”.



You pop your head into a conversation with a condescending attitude.  If you were a third as smart as you give yourself credit for, you would have had to expect attitude back.  You do not bother to read nor comply with site rules and expectations and post and introduction.  Instead you start off with your juvenile post.   Apparently something your simple mind cannot comprehend.


Simple mind?  I known more about the 1911 and its variations than you can even imagine twinkle toes.  I completed our state advanced tactical firearms instructor course with one.  I carried one for several years, I still do off duty.  The only reason I pack a Glock on duty now is because the Chief says I have to.  It does not change the facts that a Glock was accurate and reliable.  There was no need to change what they had going mechanically speaking. 


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Ok Scurge Truce;  I like a good Glock debate as much as the next guy.  No one has attempted to answer the question I have posed the first time.  This site has carried a few posting in the past few months of issues with the new generation Glocks.  The last was a 21 that blow up in an officers hand injuring the officer.  Has anyone else read/heard or experience the same issue?  Now that we have a captive audience lets try to keep other officers from being injured.  I truly do not care what make or model it is.  Can we agree on that? 

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No I have not heard of any exploding Glocks.  Until this thread the only problems I heard with Glock were there was some frame issues in the 1st Gen in  the 17 slides and a limited problem with some 22 frames with def rear rails.


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Thanks, I will locate the article and get it to you some how if you wish.  Like you I have a chief but my chief thinks he might need to change things.  After 18 years of 1911's the new chief is looking at change.  I do not want to end up with a new generation gun if there is issues.  "Twinkles toes"  that is good.  If you look I never bad mouthed the Glock reliability,  I have had a 21 in my vault for 16 years and love it, but as you pointed out, it is and older generation gun.   If it ain't broke don't fix it is correct. But Glock fixed it so now the verdict is out in my view.  I would be horrified if my recommendation gets and officer hurt. 

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Weapon, Not Ammo, May Have Caused Deputy's Gun To Explode



<!--startindex-->Officials in Marshall County said they've learned it could have been the weapon -- not the ammunition -- that caused a gun to explode in a deputy's hand last week.

 

Chief Deputy Kevin Cecil said organizations from across the country have called him recently, saying they've had similar situations with their guns.


"It's a combination of them wanting to know what happened … along with possible problems with their firearms," Cecil said.

 


A deputy was using the .45 caliber Glock 21 for the first time at a firing range last week when the lower half exploded, breaking off the trigger, sending parts flying and injuring his hand.

 


Cecil said he initially thought it was the ammunition that caused the problem, but not he's not so sure.

 


He said, as time goes on, he's learned quite a bit about similar situations throughout the country.

 


 "We're actually adjusting our thinking a little bit. It might not just be the ammunition. There may be a certain issue with the firearm itself, so we're going to send it off to have it independently evaluated," Cecil said.

 


 At Shooter's in Bridgeport, Bill Monahan has a collection of guns that have exploded.

 


 "I've seen lots of handguns blow up over the years. Usually it's an overload that causes it. There's many different factors that could cause it, but that's the most common," Monahan said.

 


 He said he doesn't want to speculate on what happened with the deputy's gun, but said there are several reasons he's known a Glock to explode.

 


 "(With) Glocks, you can't fire lead bullets. Not saying that's what he did, but that's one of the culprits," Monahan said.

 


 He said he's like to take a look at the Marshall County weapon, but Cecil said he is preparing to send it to an independent evaluator to find out exactly what happened.

 


 "They'll know when they get to examine this gun just exactly what took place," Monahan said.


Here is the artical i spoke of .

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I have had some experience with the new Gen4 glocks and have noticed that some people with limited experience are not getting a good grip on the weapon because of the new texturing on them, which I love. But other have struggled with it because when they grab it, their hand and finger lock down where they are at. This could cause some of the problem along with recoil spring also.

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Too much pressure will be the cause.  The question will be was the weapon to weak to handle the pressure or was the ammo a cause.  I tried looking but the only dates I could find for this was from 2004 it was just a quick search tho.


I had a 1911 chamber blow on me and crack the slide.  That was caused by an incompetent gunsmith, well thats my opinion but can't prove it.  It occurred around 400 rds afters a 'gunsmith' worked on it.  Too much of a coinsciedence I think.


I would not recommend anything new on the market 4th generation Glocks no exception.  Odd how its only reportedly occurring in the 21 models.  The county here uses the 21SF they have no complaints as of yet. 


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After 400 rounds I would agree with you. That is to bad, I have done all my own work since my days in the Army.  Yes I am old enough to be a 1911 armor.
 
The crazy thing on that article was after it was posted on PoliceLink I have not heard or seen a thing from Glock or the Marshall County SO.  After it happened there were three articles listed on PoliceLink now not a word.  I emailed Marshall County but was told they could not comment at this time.  Attorneys. 
 
The original articles showed pictures and there was even a News station clip.  You can find them on the home page search Glock. The Marshal County Sheriff was convinced it was the gun not the ammo. Reportedly the gun was issued that day and had less than 10 rounds in it ( if memory serves) If you hear anything I would be truly grateful.  

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I'll keep my ears open.  The county here autorized personal G21's some time ago.  WIthin the last year or 2 went from SW 4513 to a 21SF.  The thousands upon thousands of rds they have sent down range out of a 21/21FS not a peep of anything like this.


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I´m a bit old fashion give me a wheel gun any day!



 


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Ralph8119 says ...



I´m a bit old fashion give me a wheel gun any day!



 



Yeah me two Ralph I am a bit old fashion too



Hey Glock was introduced in the late 80's doesn't that count as old fashion nowadays?


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