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I have recently been thinking about joing the Marine Corps. I know I will be a police officer in the future, but maybe a Marine. I want to be a Marine to serve my country, and maybe help my chances with being an officer. If I join, what should my MOS be to help my chances? I want to be LAPD SWAT, so I was thinking infantry. I was also thinking MP, because that is the police? Any opinions to how this sounds? What do you think will help?


I am not just joining the Corps to help me become an officer, just so we're clear. I had a Marine yell at me for asking a similar question, he said you join the Corps to serve your country, not to get job training. I know this, and I want to do both.


I still have trouble deciding whether or not to enlist. I am a senior in high school and am torn between college and the Corps. If you can help with this topic too, that would help more than you could ever think. Thanks.


 


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I was in the Marine Corp and am now a Police Officer. while it helps (any Branch of the military will give you the "discipline" departments like) it is not an trump card. I have had people who did not server one day get jobs over me and it works out the other way a time or two (both LEO Jobs and non LEO jobs)


I did join the Marines to help me become A police Officer there is nothing wrong with that. everyone joins for there own reasons. Just make sure if you do you are ready to give you all. Now you dont have to go active duty. I know many Police officer in the Marines that were Reservist.


I was an 03 (Infantry) and i loved it. it does help me out now. I work with a guy who was an MP in the Army for 20 years and that helped him out. So it is really something you will have to think about. I will be glad to tell you anything you want to know about the Marine Corp Infanrty life. It is a life style as much as being a Police Officer is. the Marine corp is still a VERY big part of my life.


while in, people will talk about how much they hate it at that thime, but once out will look at it and miss it. (I did and do) It is hell but it will be some of the best times ever, I made friends that i will have for the rest of my life. and many have become or are in the process of being coming LEO's...


only you can make you mind up. I would do it all again. (but at the time I would have told you to go pound sand if you asked if i would join again)


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Thanks alot. I might have some Infantry questions later. What do you think would help more? How has infantry helped you in your career and day to day life?


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Before you make any decision about your military/college options I would advise you to contact the Law Enforcement agencies that you are interested in (you mentioned LAPD) and speak with their recruiting officer about what their hiring standards and requirements are.  There are a lot of agencies out there that require a minimum of two years of college while others may give you credit for military service.  Having both military and college would be a big plus for you in getting hired.  By talking with the agency's recruiter you will have a better understanding of what will be required of you in order to join that agency!


As for the military MOS that you should look for (Infantry for example) do not fixate on the combat experience alone to get you on to a SWAT team.  While it would definitely be a plus there are many other factors taken into account when a SWAT team is looking at you as a potential member. They generally look for those officers who have a proven track record of stability and dependability as well as the ability to adapt quickly in stressful and rapidly changing situations.


Good Luck in your endeavor to join the Law Enforcement Community, it is an excellent career path that is both persoanlly and professionally rewarding and a career that you can be proud of!


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It is something you will have to really think about. I dont think there is "one" thing that will help you out more. as for  what Retleo said every place that makes you have college credit (that i have looked into including the LAPD) take active military and/or college credit. when i was in the marines LAPD sent recruiters to talk to our unit. I also know all the highway patrols do allow military without college degrees (or 60 hours of college).


Any Mos will help out, if you go military. they all have there ups and downs. Like the Infantry, we learn to make fast calls in shoot/dont shoot and learn tactics. but are not very focused on any paper work. now and admin clerk would know a lot about office work (yes policing has a LOT of paper and office work) so there is a trade off. Being an MP will not be an answer all either. they focus more on Military law and while there is some places that are the same many are not. and you could get "bad habits" that in Civ LEO's  will not like. I would suggest picking an MOS that you will like doing and that you can learn from and be good at. How knows maybe you will like it and be a lifer...


I would suggest doing both school and military. you can be a resv and go to school full time or go military full time and get out and go to school ( what i am doing now) and either go LE before getting out of school or waiting and getting a degree. That way you are cover on both ends and it makes you a much better recruit


 


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I went into the military for the purpose of staying in the military until retirement.  Consequently, I retired.  I did not begin my military career as a Military Policeman, so I let one military service and went to another just for that purpose.  After I retired and applied for employment as a Deputy Sheriff, my prior experience as an MP resulted in my being hired in the highest pay step at the time.  Now, with my department, times have changed.  There is no consideration given to prior police experience.  The concentration is on education only.  A deputy's pay is now based on whether or not he/she has an associate, bachelor, or master's degree. You get 5%, 10%, or 15% respectively.  So, everything is going to depend on the department that you applying for.  Good luck in your endeavors.

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I know for LA, if you have a collge degree it pays about 58,000, associates 59, and bachelor 60. I was planning on going to a community college for two years then going to LA when I turn 20. I had a teacher say that I should look into the ROTC. I think that would be cool but I wouldn't get out of the Corps until 26, not 22. I wanted to get out at 22 so I can join the department. Being a police officer is of upmost priority to me so that is what my original plan was. How do you think ROTC would help? Both school and college? I like the way it works, but I just don't like the time. Do you think it's worth the time?


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ROTC would not be bad. you would end up being a resv officer (in the marine corp or what ever branch) and then still be able to become a police officer. Like i said i know many Police Officers that are in the Resv. .. It really is up to you. but to be honest school and the military would be your best bet. as in doing both. just how you go about doing both it up to you.


I would not change how i did it. the SGT i work with now also retired from the military and he says the same thing he would do it the same way again. I girl i went to high school with that did not go into the military and went to college and is now a police officer says the same thing. and i think all three of us are good at what we do.


if all you want it so be a police officer and joining the marines is only to "kill time" or something like that then go to school. I know i said i became a marine to get ready to become a cop but I also joined cus it was something i wanted to do.  I joined to better myself and to give back.


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Jdob, Marines wouldn't be a way to kill time, college would have. Joining the Marines would be a way to serve my country.


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then you answered you own question. now that you have narrowed it down. time to pick what you want to do in the Corps.......... sounds like you need more of  go for it than advise.....


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In one of my criminal justice classes i was told by an LAPD SWAT SGT. that they prefer not hiring former marines. I don't remember his justification for that.

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I dont now this that is true. like i said the sent people out to my unit to recruit use. LAPD has a point system in there hiring and prom. process. and being in the military give you X amount of points. that my have been his personal thoughts but not the departments. I have a few of my buddies that when they got out they went LAPD.


not i say Military not marines. they dont care what branch. at least in the point part of it.


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I have decided to go for it. I have recently found out that one must be 19 to enter MP school, so I don't know about that. I will probably just wait until next year to enlist. Do you think the Corps will let me do basic this summer, do MCT, then go to school in a few months?


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Retleo is right on the money. Listen to his advice as it is always good sound advice. I don't know enough about the military to really comment as I was a weekend warrior way back when. I do know law enforcement agencies like former military personnel. Follow your dream and best to you.

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Your specific MOS is not what benefits you the most in being hired by a civilian LE agency.  The fact you served is.  It is helpful to have an MOS where you were in a leadership role.


Shock is a good example he was infantry and was in a leadership role.  Me personally I think the leadership role under stressful conditions makes him an asset to any agency.  Well leadership role under stressful conditions and not looney (well not more so than the avg LEO) as a result.


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I have decided on the day I turn 18 I am going to enlist. Feburary 23. I want to be infantry. Thanks for all your help guys. It really has helped.


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good for you and good. Luck. I was also in the infantry (0351) and later in a leadership role. It has helped me out a great deal. and with my peers in LEO, i have advanced faster than most. (I am up for Sgt soon, if my department hires the LT as the new chief, then i will be moved up from officer to Sgt/FTO) I know of only one other that was in my academy that is close to that. (he has been his department FTO for about 6 months.)  


MOS is not the deciding factor. that fact you where in ( not the first time someone said it on here.) and yes when i was in 29 palms LAPD was out there all the time.


you have made a very big decision and it will effect you for the rest of your life. Now i my be bias but I think you made a good one. even in the Corps you have the choice to make the best of it or b*%$ about it. make the best of it and roll with it. you will come out a better person in the end and a better candidate for LEO with LAPD or any other Department you want to go to...


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Either way GET SOME COLLEGE FIRST and then join one of the services.


I was just accepted into a law enforcement in Texas and there are so many specialties to choose from.  I was military and I have my college degree which will help my policing.


My advice is get college, and Join the Military and retire. 


 


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It is something you will have to really think about. I dont think there is "one" thing that will help you out more. as for  what Retleo said every place that makes you have college credit (that i have looked into including the LAPD) take active military and/or college credit. when i was in the marines LAPD sent recruiters to talk to our unit. I also know all the highway patrols do allow military without college degrees (or 60 hours of college).


Any Mos will help out, if you go military. they all have there ups and downs. Like the Infantry, we learn to make fast calls in shoot/dont shoot and learn tactics. but are not very focused on any paper work. now and admin clerk would know a lot about office work (yes policing has a LOT of paper and office work) so there is a trade off. Being an MP will not be an answer all either. they focus more on Military law and while there is some places that are the same many are not. and you could get "bad habits" that in Civ LEO's  will not like. I would suggest picking an MOS that you will like doing and that you can learn from and be good at. How knows maybe you will like it and be a lifer...


I would suggest doing both school and military. you can be a resv and go to school full time or go military full time and get out and go to school ( what i am doing now) and either go LE before getting out of school or waiting and getting a degree. That way you are cover on both ends and it makes you a much better recruit


 



Good post...very good post. You mentioned something I like to point out as well...the fact that LE is a balance between the street (which includes the tactical side of the job as well as other categories that require quick wit, smarts, physical conditioning, etc etc) and the office which is paperwork paperwork paperwork. I have served as an Operations/TOC NCO while downrange, and that sort of job is 100% paperwork, planning, reports, emails, briefings..etc etc.......all "attention to detail" in a more cerebral sense. That sort of training and job in the military is just as useful to the LE career as the Special Forces Soldier or the infantry Ranger.


The streets are dangerous and there is a need for tactical mindset, but if you screw up paperwork...your LE career will be a short one.

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Stay in school. If your going to join.....join Air Force.  You will get paid more and be treated better.

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GOOD LUCK!! And good on you for looking into military.


Before I joined the military I went through the LAPD hiring process. I know a lto about it- if you'd like any help I can for sure at least lead you to the person with an answer.


LAPD is where I will be going after my run with the NAVY.


LAPD has a huge recruiting department, they will assign you a mentor and all that. PM and I will for sure let you know howe the hiring process went for me.


REMEMBER the military is a HUGE commitment- look at all the opitions and don't let a recruiter force you into anything you don't want to do.


 


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A couple thoughts here...If you join the military and go into the MP field you will have some oportunity for tactical training in the SRT field. I'm not sure how much, but there is some.  Regardless of the MOS you choose there are some educational benefits for you.  I think the Gov will cover 75% of tuition while you are in.  Several of the military schools you take/are assigned can translate into college credit as well.  All you need to get the credit is talk with a school councellor and have your SMART transcript.  You will be able to see for yourself what the college/tech school credit breakdown is.   Ask your recruiter to show you what boot camp and initial training breaks down into as far as credits go.  Ask them for the SMART translation and make sure to see it in writing.


As far as the branch of service goes, if you are going for MP/MAA keep in mind that the Army has been appointed (by congressional mandate I believe) as the executive agency for all LE.  This is phasing in as we speak.  What this will mean is no matter what branch the LE training will be the same.  (check USAMPS for details)


As far as an enlistment, make sure you get what you want.  You will be under a contract so negotiate what you want.  Hold out on the recruiter if they won't give you what you want...if you are a quality person they will work harder to get you what you want to get you to enlist. Check with your recruiter, then go a couple counties over and talk to that recruiter to make sure there is consistency in what you are being told.


Read all these posts and educate yourself. And formost remember what ernswat said in her post...It is a HUGE commitment so be ready to take the good with the bad and give 110%.


Good luck to you.


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Stay in school. If your going to join.....join Air Force.  You will get paid more and be treated better.



okay... treated better maybe... paid more... NO....


an E-1 in the Air Force gets paid the same as an E-1 in the Navy or Army or Marines.... the special duty pay is the same as well meaning if you do something on an airplane flight pay is the same in the Air Force as it is in the Navy  or Army ect.....


 


Ernswat.. sounds like someone to talk to...


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As far as the branch of service goes, if you are going for MP/MAA keep in mind that the Army has been appointed (by congressional mandate I believe) as the executive agency for all LE.  This is phasing in as we speak.  What this will mean is no matter what branch the LE training will be the same.  (check USAMPS for details)



this is partly true.. the Army is the only service that as a per say "academy" meaning that no matter what service you join you will be sent to the Army MP school (if your MOS is MP) all service have there one LE but they are all trained by the Army.. ( i have to hear about it every time i work with my Sgt.. he is retired Army MP after 23 years.... but i have to say I love the back and forth we do with him Army and myself being Marine corps)


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All part of the consolidation of forces jdob. Medical field is next...next year to be exact.  (at least until they postpone again). As for you and your Sgt. with the banter back and forth I'd have to say 2 things...first is that being a vet is great because of all the comradre regardless of the branch there is a kinship there, and 2nd for both of you I understand nobody is perfect...Go Navy!


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GOOOOOOOO NAVYYYYYYYYY!!!!

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Stay in school. If your going to join.....join Air Force.  You will get paid more and be treated better.



Pay Grade is Pay Grade....there is no difference between the branches on how much you get paid...none at all.

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And the two guys above are correct, SRT I and SRT II are both instructed by the Army at Ft. Leonard Wood..SRT I comprises what we would associate with basic SWAT in the civilian world, SRT II is more your advanced SWAT, Hostage Rescue, and the police version of your designated marksman or tactical marksman training. Army and Marines both go to the Army's school.


Also a word of advice, if you want to do garrison police work, Army MP is not what you want to do...it used to be that MPs were in charge of garrison police work, now you have Department of the Army police who are very similar to the Veterans Affairs Police.....ie they are the law enforcement for Army posts for the most part. MPs are not a modular force who can be used in a variety of mission templates from route security, route recon, detainee operations, combat patrol, protective security,  and overall battlefield security.....most MP units are field units rather than garrison units now.

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Goodness, even when I thought this thread was over, it's still going strong.


I had considered the Air Force to fly F-16 and 22's, but ROTC is needed and my grades are not good enough. And like I said, I would like to serve a little time so I can still join a department when I want to. Never considered the Navy, always a Marine.


Now, I saw tjilgpld02 say the Army is going to be taking over all MP things. That sucks. I got my paperwork done for MP, I just need to swear in now.


Psd Team Leader, I would accept garrison work, but I would like to be a field MP. I keep thinking infantry, but also MP just sounds so much cooler. That and I got my paperwork done for that. I guess I am still deciding, but MP is probably what will happen. I have been told nowadays MP's are doing lots of field duty like PSD said.


Also, I would like to be deployed. I know that it will happen more than likely.


I want to be a Marine, but I also want to be an MP. Which do you think is better in the case of training and deployment, Army or USMC? I would not like to join the Army, but would like to know how it is. I know the Marines are trained with the Army MPs at Fort Lenard Wood. Being a Marine is off top priority though.


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Make sure you focus more and dream less. Youre a long way from Los Angeles from your profile location.....youre old enough for military service now. My advice would be go to each branch, talk to their recruiters, make sure you tell them you are going to talk to all 5, see who gives you the best deal after talking to all of them.


To answer your question, deployments are slowing down a bit since we are drawing down in Iraq and on course to start drawing down in Afghanistan next year, the GWOT is slowly "winding down" from the more conventional aspects of it. And to understand what I mean by that you would have to have a working knowledge of 4th Generation/Asymmertic Warfare and the nature of counterinsurgency and counterterrorism. However, if you join the Army or the Marines, youre going to deploy eventually in your career. Talk to a Soldier and he is going to tell you to join the Army, talk to a Marine and he is going to tell you to join the Marines...especially the younger members of the branches who have zero knowledge of what the other branch does or operates. The choice is really a matter of what exactly you want to do while youre in, where you want to be stationed, and what exactly you want your lifestyle to be.  The more you start specializing in the military...ie taking the hooah courses, the more youll be sent to schools operated by different branches anyway. Marine recon guys go to Army schools such as Airborne and Ranger, MP K9 units can get slots for the Air Forces K9 program, SOCOM operators can attend the Navy's SERE advanced levels.

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