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I was one step away from being hired, and I got washed out after taking the psych test. For about a week I thought I was crazy. Well it turns out, I am NOT crazy, but the psychologist felt that "the indiviudal does not have insight of the problematic nature of her past alcohol abuse." So basically, she thinks I have a drinking problem or could develope one. 


Honestly, I am 21 and I am done with my partying days. I did all that partying back in High School. When I went to school for LE I never went to parties like your "typical" college student. I mean I have done some crazy stuff in my day (ha ha), but I am not nor have I ever been addicted to alcohol! How many cops do you know that dont drink alcohol??? I thought a probationary period was to see if you can do the job well without incident? I am still applying but am afraid that when I put on an spplication that I have failed a psych, that they will just through it away! 


I have done my two years at school, I have a degree in Law Enforcement. Is it pointless to keep trying when I have a "drinking problem" or could develope one??? What reason do I put on an application when it asks if I have been rejected at another department?

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You had to have given them reasons, for the Pyschologist to come to that conclusion.  It is not just pulled out of thin air, it was either your verbal answers, the results of an MMPI or other test.


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Oh I know she didnt just make this stuff up. I told her the truth, I would drink to excess, I would drink more than I intended. I was a teenager, I am NOT the same person I was back in high school. I am more mature and more responsible. I have goals! I worked very hard to get through school and get all the scholarships that I earned and volunteered as much as I could. 


People can change. Like I said before, I am not addicted nor have I ever been addicted to alcohol. I was a partier, but NOT anymore. If I could go back, I would change some of the things I have done. But I cant, so I do not drink anymore...I am just feeling like now that I have been deemed a "drunk" that I will never get a job!  


 

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Does this department have a polygraph exam?


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A polygraph was not required for this department. During the background investigation, I told the investigator everything. I was not once dishonest with them.

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" I would change some of the things I have done. But I cant, so I do not drink anymore..."


What did you do, when you were drinking that you would change, but you can't.  When this was mentioned during the interview, did this become the main focus of the discussion?


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Psych tests are very subjective and the results vary depending on the MMPI test and the psychologist/psychiatrist that performs the exam.  While I believe it is a necessary part of the process, I tend to question some of the results.  Keep putting in applications to several departments.  Keep testing and try to learn from your experiences.  Sooner or later you will find the department that wants you.

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Honestly if you answered that you drink to excess or that you sometimes drink more than you intend it shows alcoholic tendencies.  Those are two of the standard questions asked on the alcoholism test.  You know the one that says "If you answered yes to one or more of these questions you may have an alcohol problem.  I think it was your inability to identify these issues as a possible problem in the future that made the psychologist come to her decision.


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Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

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Well that is the plan. It is just so disappointing that I made it that far just to get turned away for something that I personally think is not an issue. I am just curious if the psychologist knows that people can change. And I know that a lot of people do not probably feel this way, but I believe that addiction is a choice and I choose not to be an addict. I will do what I need to do to prove to people that I do not have a problem. I havent had anything to drink for about 3 weeks, I know that isnt long, but I didnt find out very long ago. It is crazy how someone else perceives a person, and I dont want to be preceived as someone with an alcohol problem.

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TWELVE QUESTIONS FOR SELF- ADMINISTERED


ALCOHOL MISUSE SCALE

* (Answers to all questions must be either “never”, “sometimes



” or “often”)

With a score of (0) or one (1)

Based upon your responses to the previous twelve (12) questions it appears that you may


not be experiencing a problem. If you still have questions or concerns, you should contact


either of the following resources to discuss this matter further



With a score of two (2) or three (3)

Based upon your responses to the previous twelve (12) questions it appears that you may


be experiencing a minor problem. It is recommended that you contact either of the


following resources to discuss this matter further:



With a score of three (3) or more

Based upon your responses to the following twelve (12) questions it appears that you amy


be experiencing a significant or serious problem. It is strongly recommended that you


contact either of the following resources to discuss this matter further



1. Does a relative or friend worry or complain about your drinking?


2. Have you made promises to yourself or others to stop drinking?


3. Do you miss days from work because of drinking?


4. Have you awakened the morning after drinking and could not remember part of the


previous evening?


5. Do you tell yourself that you can stop drinking any time you want?


6. Do you wish that you could `control' your drinking?


7. Do you feel `bad' about your drinking?


8. Do you drink to solve your problems or get away from your problems?


9. Do you feel that your life would be better if you did not drink?


10. Has drinking created medical, financial, relationship or work related problems for


you?


11. Do you get into arguments or fights when you are drinking?


12. Once you start drinking, do you have difficulty stopping after one (1) or two (2)


drinks?


* The scoring of answers is as follows:


An answer of “never” counts as (0)


An answer of “sometimes” counts as (1)


An answer of “often” counts as (2)


Have ASP will travel.

Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

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Thanks, so just curious...do you think that this should disqualify me from working as a LEO?

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No.  Not if you honestly feel that you are in control of your drinking and depending on what you actually scored on that test.  That is just a self help test.  If you did score high on this test I would seek some help.  I mean most people you talk too have drank more than they have intended and have drank to excess.  Or have in thier life drank an alcoholic beverage more than twice a week.  Cops included.  Im sure there are some hardcore non- drinkers out thereand on here, but most likely they are rare.  You should seriously consider giving up on drinking at all until you get the job you want.


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Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

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That is what I have done. Drinking is no where near as important as my future career in Law Enforcement. I worked my ass of at school for 2 years. I had to work even harder being female to get the respect from my peers and instructors. I was 1 or 6 females to graduate out of a class of 113 men! Drinking is not worth it to me... 

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Well that is the plan. It is just so disappointing that I made it that far just to get turned away for something that I personally think is not an issue.



After I obtained my PO license one of the first agencies I applied for bumped me due to poor credit. This was after I scored a 100% on the entrance exam and placed second on the physical agility test out of 80 applicants. I was the number 1 candidate on their roster until they ran a credit check. Some things are beyond logic and beyond our control. All you can do is keep trying.....

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Thanks, so just curious...do you think that this should disqualify me from working as a LEO?


No it shouldn't disqualify you, but it just means there are other people who are more qualified than you. They would rather spend their time and resources training someone who is not a danger to being an alcoholic. Maybe in high school you should have thought of your future and not been immature and irresposible. I'm 19 and have never touched alcohol and have never attended a "party" and this is because I have a passion for law enforcement and do everything I can to one day be a LEO and be the best possible candidate.


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Good for you. Best of luck to you.

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oh and addiction is not a choice, it is a chemical imbalance in the brain.

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Like I said, I personally BELIEVE it is. I didnt say you did or anyone else.

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MAOWP says ...



Thanks, so just curious...do you think that this should disqualify me from working as a LEO?


No it shouldn't disqualify you, but it just means there are other people who are more qualified than you. They would rather spend their time and resources training someone who is not a danger to being an alcoholic. Maybe in high school you should have thought of your future and not been immature and irresposible. I'm 19 and have never touched alcohol and have never attended a "party" and this is because I have a passion for law enforcement and do everything I can to one day be a LEO and be the best possible candidate.




Well thats just silly.  Why shouldn't you attend a "party".  I used to party with my friends all the time in high school and sometimes still do.  It didnt mean that there was alcohol involved, but we all used to get together.  And no one says you cant have a drink, and be responsible when you are of legal drinking age.  There is such thing as a happy and healthy medium.  Learn how to detect the signs of trouble and stay away from them.  Nothing like your friends getting in a fight and you getting caught in the middle to destroy your dreams.  My advice for a young person aspiring to become a LEO is to stay away from things that will in the future make it impossible for you to obtain a job.  Number 1 being drugs and number 2 being people who get themselves into trouble.  They will take you with them.  You know who they are.  If you dont you'd better learn how to identify them.  You even think there is gonna be a problem learn how to walk the other way.


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Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

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Nicely put. Thanks!

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futuresdsodep says ...



MAOWP says ...



Thanks, so just curious...do you think that this should disqualify me from working as a LEO?


No it shouldn't disqualify you, but it just means there are other people who are more qualified than you. They would rather spend their time and resources training someone who is not a danger to being an alcoholic. Maybe in high school you should have thought of your future and not been immature and irresposible. I'm 19 and have never touched alcohol and have never attended a "party" and this is because I have a passion for law enforcement and do everything I can to one day be a LEO and be the best possible candidate.




Well thats just silly.  Why shouldn't you attend a "party".  I used to party with my friends all the time in high school and sometimes still do.  It didnt mean that there was alcohol involved, but we all used to get together.  And no one says you cant have a drink, and be responsible when you are of legal drinking age.  There is such thing as a happy and healthy medium.  Learn how to detect the signs of trouble and stay away from them.  Nothing like your friends getting in a fight and you getting caught in the middle to destroy your dreams.  My advice for a young person aspiring to become a LEO is to stay away from things that will in the future make it impossible for you to obtain a job.  Number 1 being drugs and number 2 being people who get themselves into trouble.  They will take you with them.  You know who they are.  If you dont you'd better learn how to identify them.  You even think there is gonna be a problem learn how to walk the other way.


 


I didn't attend typical high school partys. I would hang out with my friends who are all aspiring leos and have fun playing pool or cards.


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oh and addiction is not a choice, it is a chemical imbalance in the brain.



But you can CHOOSE to have control over it.  So that is your CHOICE.  Lots of people have CHOSEN not to drink or do drugs anymore.  If it was that much of a chemical inbalace every person who has stopped drinking or using drugs would need meds to regulate it.  Sorry not sold on the whole chemical inbalance theory.  Addiction is a sickness, and one that can over a long long time be overcome.  But police departments are not going to hire a person they feel is a LIABILITY. 


Have ASP will travel.

Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

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I am starting to like you the more I read what you have to say!

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 But police departments are not going to hire a person they feel is a LIABILITY. 



Bottom line.

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futuresdsodep says ...



oh and addiction is not a choice, it is a chemical imbalance in the brain.



But you can CHOOSE to have control over it.  So that is your CHOICE.  Lots of people have CHOSEN not to drink or do drugs anymore.  If it was that much of a chemical inbalace every person who has stopped drinking or using drugs would need meds to regulate it.  Sorry not sold on the whole chemical inbalance theory.  Addiction is a sickness, and one that can over a long long time be overcome.  But police departments are not going to hire a person they feel is a LIABILITY. 


 


I agree with you, people can choose to stop. All I am saying is studies have shown that addiciton is a chemical imbalance in a lot of cases.


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Heres another little tidbit to chew on.  If you go into a psych exam and tell them  I didnt go to parties or have any friends I just sat in my room and played nintendo and play station all day, a psychologist may question your social skills and you abilty to function in society with others.  Social gatherings are a healthy part of human behavior.  It shows your desire to be with others, hold conversations, and have healthy relationships all which are extremely important in the world of LE.  They dont want to hire anti socials either. Again liabiltiy.  Someone who cant handle people in a social setting may handle a situation in the wrong way ending with disasterous results.


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Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

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I actually don't own a nitendo or playstation so I don't sit in my room doing that. I said I don't attend typical high school parties. I am not anti social and I interact with people through volunteering and other various activities.

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You would have been better off with a felony. In New York an x-con is getting hired with the NYPD he has changed his life around from the time of his felony gun arrest. 

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I actually don't own a nitendo or playstation so I don't sit in my room doing that. I said I don't attend typical high school parties. I am not anti social and I interact with people through volunteering and other various activities.



Im not pointing fingers just passing on knowledge.  Dont be too quick to defend.  You will hear this when you get to the academy so Ill say it now so there arent any surprises.  When a veteran Officer speaks  KEEP YOUR EARS AND EYES OPEN AND YOUR MOUTH SHUT.  If you dont understand this statement you have no business in the business.


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Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

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I understand that Sir, the way it was phrased it seemed to be pointed at me.

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