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I'm currently in the process and will continue to persue my career in LE untill I have cross that threshold. And when I'm on interviews, or at a PT test or just out and about in my everyday life I observe LEO's and their mannerisms, physical conditioning, etc. What I have noticed vastly are LEO's for lack of a better term...not in top physical conditioning. As an outsider (right now) I say to myself at times "what would this LEO do in a foot chase pursuit, hand to hand combat (if such an incident unfolds) or during the next PT test in their respective department (if required)?" It bothers me to a degree because the very thing(s) preached to me in each department I apply for is to some degree not practiced, I don't think I'm alone on this. I know the "bad guys" are working out, running, lifting, etc. Isn't it the responsibility of a LEO to stay 5,10,15 steps ahead of the "bad guy"?!?! Is physical fitness taken lightly?!?! or is it just a handful of LEO's that "don't stress it"?!?! I myself am a amateur bodybuilder and in MMA training. In every PT test i've always placed top 3 even against the Military boys. I love the gym and know my conditioning will to some extent help me with the rigor of academy and as such, when my time comes. Just looking for various LEO's prospectives, opinions and knowledge....Thank you.

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I have been around many officers and many departments and I have to disagree a little. I have yet to see many officers that looked very out of shape, on the contrary, most of the officers, with very few exceptions, seem to be in fine shape. Keep in mind, on the PT tests, not everyone is giving it their all, though I think they should be. Im not saying that to discredit your athletic ability, but it's the reality. I've PT tested for a few agencies and although I gave it my all, I know others did not. At one agency all you had to do was pass the test. How well you did had no baring on your overall consideration. I don't know how many agencies you have dealt with or how many officers you have met, but I have to disagree based on my experience.

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All I can say is one thing that one of my trainers taught me is to never assume someone is out of shape or not at their best at conditioning or can't fight back just because of their physical appearance. Just because an officer may not look like Arnold Schwarzeneggar doesn't mean they aren't in good condition. I understand your POV though, just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents lol.


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True, just look at Roy Nelson. He doesn't look like an athlete.........at all, but he can bang with the best for sure. He's got great conditioning to boot.

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True, just look at Roy Nelson. He doesn't look like an athlete.........at all, but he can bang with the best for sure. He's got great conditioning to boot.



I agree! As cliche as it sounds, everyone comes in different shapes, sizes, etc. And some people, well, they can't either gain the weight or lose the weight but can still be in good shape and healthy.


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IRON_BROCK has a point. I've worked with some officers who only exercised when our biannual PCT (physical competency test) was coming up. And that was even after they changed the policy to "don't sit the test - don't get your annual pay rise".


One man (who shall remain nameless) arrested a young guy who when he was brought back to the station promptly ran off through a narrow gap between the cell block and main building. Dan (oops) was too large to fit in the same gap.... Imagine that radio transmission!   

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Long irregular shifts, lack of sleep, stress and the fact that at 3am there is NOWHERE to eat where the food is anywhere near healthy make it hard sometimes to stay in shape.   Not an excuse, just an observation from one who is trying to find the time and energy to be in better shape!!!!!

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I hope no one misconstrue's what i'm saying. Ok, the saturday that just passed...watching cops. Two officers approaced the house, identified themselves to the suspect. The suspect says let me put my dog away, closes the font door and bloted out the back. One of  the officers chased the suspect and I swear he was going to die by the time the foor pursuit was over. He could barely get a word out from his breathing...you can clearly tell he was hurting during and after the run. But it's in a LEO's job description to be up to par and ready for those types of situations.  Sorry for the rush, got a meeting to go to......

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I'm really starting to get iritated. Iron Brock let me explain a few things.  First off overweight doesn't mean out of shape.  Many officers, myself included are overweight.  This has to do with lifestyle.  I don't have time to work out since I average about fify hours a week at my cop job and then also have a second job to go to.  As far as running.  Before you put a cop down for being out of breath why don't you put on a cop uniform with cop shoes, cop gear and a vest then run a a half mile climbing over fences and going around buildings all the while dodging holes and uneven pavement and cautiously rounding corners to ensure you are not ambushed all the while talking on the radio to coordinate your backup  then come back and complain about this officer.


But wait there's more.  When I was in the best shape of my life working out three to five days a week I still couldn't catch a cold, I am and always have been a slow runner.  You can't fix slow.  With that being said I still managed to catch pretty much everyone who ran.  You don't state your age but come back when you are fifty like me and have this conversation.  Talk to officers with bad knees, or bad backs who can't train.  Comments like yours really piss me off.  You look at a guy with a belly and think he's not capable.  When in uniform I carry pepper spray, and impact weapon, a gun and soon to be issued tasers.  I've also been training in martial arts since 1984 with all that I'm still forty pounds overweight but won't take an arse whipping from anyone.  With your attitude I'm willing to bet your fat FTO will be impressed.  Grow up why don't ya.

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Oh yea when you do your little experiment I want you to prepare by riding around in your car for six hours and then go through a drive-thru for lunch.  Start the experiment right after you eat.  And to make it realistic I want you to chase a nineteen year old kid who was a track star in high school.  He's to warm up first then when he runs he can wear shorts and running shoes.  Oh yea he gets to start running while you are pulling up in your car that you've been riding in for six hours.  You must also be wearing your seatbelt as you arrive to the starting line.  Let me know how it works out.  Oh yea and have no more than six hours sleep the previous night.

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mmmm......you get 6 hours of sleep? Good for you! LOL in all seriousness your posts are dead on right. Just because someone is "built" does not mean that they will make/be a good police officer. Is it niceto be physically fit? Sure it is! Not everyone is born from the same mold though........and we aren't all robots.


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I may be the opposite description... I am tall and look thin but in truth I am actually around 30 lbs heavier than when I was in the academy.  That being said, I haven't lost anyone yet!  While there may be many Officers who aren't in the greatest shape, many of them are the ones I would least want to fight.  MMMM, you are right, foot pursuits never happen when you are ready for them.  Foot pursuits happen in the worst possible conditions, when you have just eaten a big meal!  No one sounds like they are fine on the radio after a foot chase, no matter how short.  The adrenaline dump you get when it happens wipes you out no matter how quick it is over.  This is not the same as any run on a treadmill or around a track.  Bad guy still goes to jail.

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Im 19 and I asked the same exact question when I was 16. I hated seeing the bad guys ahead of the cops in physical fitness. I asked my Dad who is a retired NYPD sergeant in the Organized Crime Control Bureau about it. First of all my dad is 54 years old, and he can still lift more and run farther and faster than any of my friends, or anyone I know, so I think he is a prime example of what a police officer should be. He could "wipe the floor" with anyone half his age. So I asked, how come all police aren't as strict with their fitness as you? He told me that as you get older, a lot of cops just have the younger guys do the running and the older guys drive. Which makes sense, because as a cop, you have a whole team of backup behind you. This is coming from New York though where you are given a partner during patrol, not all places do this. 

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 Lots of good points here. The shiftwork and lack of healthy eating options, especially at night, do make it challenging.


We should all do the best we can to stay fit. That being said, it takes all kinds. Policing is a team sport; some of us are athletes who never lose a fight or a chase, some of us are great investigators, some of us can blend in and do great undercover work, some of us are the more "caring" type who excel suicide intervention......the list goes on. We all have our strengths and that is what makes us the winning team. 

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I'm really starting to get iritated. Iron Brock let me explain a few things.  First off overweight doesn't mean out of shape.  Many officers, myself included are overweight.  This has to do with lifestyle.  I don't have time to work out since I average about fify hours a week at my cop job and then also have a second job to go to.  As far as running.  Before you put a cop down for being out of breath why don't you put on a cop uniform with cop shoes, cop gear and a vest then run a a half mile climbing over fences and going around buildings all the while dodging holes and uneven pavement and cautiously rounding corners to ensure you are not ambushed all the while talking on the radio to coordinate your backup  then come back and complain about this officer.


But wait there's more.  When I was in the best shape of my life working out three to five days a week I still couldn't catch a cold, I am and always have been a slow runner.  You can't fix slow.  With that being said I still managed to catch pretty much everyone who ran.  You don't state your age but come back when you are fifty like me and have this conversation.  Talk to officers with bad knees, or bad backs who can't train.  Comments like yours really piss me off.  You look at a guy with a belly and think he's not capable.  When in uniform I carry pepper spray, and impact weapon, a gun and soon to be issued tasers.  I've also been training in martial arts since 1984 with all that I'm still forty pounds overweight but won't take an arse whipping from anyone.  With your attitude I'm willing to bet your fat FTO will be impressed.  Grow up why don't ya.


 


 


 


^^Such an ignorant responce, First off sir I never used the word fat. I stated of not being in top physical conditioning. Your rant of an attack is not warrented. My direction of asking for an LEO's pov was not remotely close to a verbal bombardment. Mr./Mrs. eric99245 and DD3 for example have both given me a short synopsis of their daily lives which inturn has given me a little insight upon my pondering. As I stated before I'm on the outside looking in (for now) into the world of LE. If your intent is to respond back in malice then so be it. Your showing of sinsitivity on this subject doesn't help. I'm seeking insight and knowledge  from those who are in the position of where i'm soon to be. Positive construction not destruction sir. Thank you.


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I'm really starting to get iritated. Iron Brock let me explain a few things.  First off overweight doesn't mean out of shape.  Many officers, myself included are overweight.  This has to do with lifestyle.  I don't have time to work out since I average about fify hours a week at my cop job and then also have a second job to go to.  As far as running.  Before you put a cop down for being out of breath why don't you put on a cop uniform with cop shoes, cop gear and a vest then run a a half mile climbing over fences and going around buildings all the while dodging holes and uneven pavement and cautiously rounding corners to ensure you are not ambushed all the while talking on the radio to coordinate your backup  then come back and complain about this officer.


But wait there's more.  When I was in the best shape of my life working out three to five days a week I still couldn't catch a cold, I am and always have been a slow runner.  You can't fix slow.  With that being said I still managed to catch pretty much everyone who ran.  You don't state your age but come back when you are fifty like me and have this conversation.  Talk to officers with bad knees, or bad backs who can't train.  Comments like yours really piss me off.  You look at a guy with a belly and think he's not capable.  When in uniform I carry pepper spray, and impact weapon, a gun and soon to be issued tasers.  I've also been training in martial arts since 1984 with all that I'm still forty pounds overweight but won't take an arse whipping from anyone.  With your attitude I'm willing to bet your fat FTO will be impressed.  Grow up why don't ya.


 


 


 


^^Such an ignorant responce, First off sir I never used the word fat. I stated of not being in top physical conditioning. Your rant of an attack is not warrented. My direction of asking for an LEO's pov was not remotely close to a verbal bombardment. Mr./Mrs. eric99245 and DD3 for example have both given me a short synopsis of their daily lives which inturn has given me a little insight upon my pondering. As I stated before I'm on the outside looking in (for now) into the world of LE. If your intent is to respond back in malice then so be it. Your showing of sinsitivity on this subject doesn't help. I'm seeking insight and knowledge  from those who are in the position of where i'm soon to be. Positive construction not destruction sir. Thank you.




"Ignorant response"? You asked, he said. You talked about having watched "COPS" and how the LEO was so out of shape that he could barely speak into his radio. I mean seriously, COPS? Not only is the physicality of the job demanding but the psychological portion is as well. The adrenalin dump is one the most draining portions of the job, or the training for that matter. After sporting the extra 25-40 lbs in gear and running after someone and into a situation that may very well get you killed or at the least injured you will definitely have the tendency to breathe a little heavy. Let's take a look at academy training. Even though you know that you are notgoing to die, if you do not get a rush out of clearing a building of an "active shooter" then you are not human. Now take into consideration that you are doing those types of scenario's ALL DAY in full gear with little to no break. You gonna be tired I don't care how much iron that you lift. Without being in a particular person's situaton, how can you make a determination as to what his/her physical fitness level should be? Should LEO's train? Yep. Are their schedules screwed? YEP! It sometmes is easy to sit back and ponder from the outside looking in but without knowing all of the facts surrounding a person's life, how can you make a judgement?


By the way, coming into a LEO forum and calling a VERIFIED LEO "ignorant" is not too wise. Wanting to become a LEO is very admirable but also what needs to come with it is a thick skin. I wouldn't consider the response given by mmmm to be ignorant nor do I consider it a rant. Think of it as "constructive criticism" for in this business, there is a TON of it.


 


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Excellent job ajsdaddy... I was trying to figure out a way to respond to his last posting without sounding like more of a jerk than I already do!  Everyone is different and everyone is good at different things.  We all chose to do this job for a reason.  Those of us who are already on the job (or at least most of us) have some experience in these things and have more leway with our comments to each other.  As someone who wants to be in LE, you haven't earned that leway yet.  And as was just stated, you need to learn to have a thicker skin!  Don't make comments about people on the job and then try to chew-out someone on here... not a good way to make friends!  I hope get a chance to pursue what you want to do, but don't think you are entitled to ANYTHING just because you want to do it and because you think you are more physically capable than someone else.  End of rant.  Thanks for listening.

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Thaks ajsdaddy for getting my back.  I've been on these forums for a while and when someone is a member for a few days, has never been a cop, and then wants to talk about something he knows nothing about I tend to get a little irritated.


As for Iron Brock "lighten up Francis".


As far as an your "ignorant response" comment.  I guess I am ignorant as to what it's like to be a cop.  I've only been one for 24 years.  I'm still here walking the walk every day, while you are still a wannabe.  One day I hope to have your level of understanding of the fitness needs for the job as well as proper proportioning.


Good luck in your efforts to become an officer.  If you are lucky enough to walk the walk for 24 years maybe you will become ignorant like me.  Or is senile??? Hell I keep forgetting.


 


 

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I hope no one misconstrue's what i'm saying. Ok, the saturday that just passed...watching cops. Two officers approaced the house, identified themselves to the suspect. The suspect says let me put my dog away, closes the font door and bloted out the back. One of  the officers chased the suspect and I swear he was going to die by the time the foor pursuit was over. He could barely get a word out from his breathing...you can clearly tell he was hurting during and after the run. But it's in a LEO's job description to be up to par and ready for those types of situations.  Sorry for the rush, got a meeting to go to......



It sounds like he got the perp in the end anyway, so whats the debate for? Officer 1 suspect 0, end of story. Be careful when you bring up COPS, that will almost never go very well.

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Be careful when you bring up COPS, that will almost never go very well.



Speaking of which, remember this epsiode?


http://dumpalink.com/videos/One-legged-cop-catches-druggie-2fec.html


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Darn, can't get to that link on this computer. I'll have to look when I get home.

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I started this thread asking for a LEO's pov, what are their personal standards or their stance in so many words. I never claimed to be better than anyone. Yes fitness is important to me but I am also pointing out what departments are preaching to me and others aspiring. I humble myself to all those LEO's who've made it but being falsely accused especially if badly misquoted and stating claims I did not make I will not tolerate. I'm here to seek knowledge and a few members, a couple I've already named have given me excellent insight on this subject matter. Nothing mmm said was constructive, he made it personal. The very life he lives in LE is the same one I want for my career, why would I attack , belittle him or as he put it...piss him off? That's not my purpose for being here. Once again thank you to those who have shared what its like from the inside, I just want to absorb what it takes to make it and excell and I don't know I will ask.

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Be careful when you bring up COPS, that will almost never go very well.



Speaking of which, remember this epsiode?


http://dumpalink.com/videos/One-legged-cop-catches-druggie-2fec.html



Now thats an inspiring vid.

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Here here! Shock. What he said.

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ok, i'm seeing how it works. LEO's such as shock and mmmm can go off on me and state claims i've never made and it becomes gospel but LEO's such as eric99 and DD3 (I greatly appreciate it) who've helped me to understand in what I was asking about through my experience in the LE process, their positive understandment get's no credit. So when I ask as I've stated several times in order to obtain knowledge and gain insight from LEO's and their pov....I know now that for those LEO's who are willing to help me positively, their will be those who are going to impose their negativity.

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You're in too deep!  Just back away from the thread slowly and try asking your other questions elsewhere! 


 


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I started this thread asking for a LEO's pov, what are their personal standards or their stance in so many words. I never claimed to be better than anyone. Yes fitness is important to me but I am also pointing out what departments are preaching to me and others aspiring. I humble myself to all those LEO's who've made it but being falsely accused especially if badly misquoted and stating claims I did not make I will not tolerate. I'm here to seek knowledge and a few members, a couple I've already named have given me excellent insight on this subject matter. Nothing mmm said was constructive, he made it personal. The very life he lives in LE is the same one I want for my career, why would I attack , belittle him or as he put it...piss him off? That's not my purpose for being here. Once again thank you to those who have shared what its like from the inside, I just want to absorb what it takes to make it and excell and I don't know I will ask.



 


No twinkle toes u have already crossed the line. Your an ingorant wanna be. You wanna come on here and disrespect a LEO, especially a senior one at that? no no no, it doesnt work that way, I dont know if u got the memo on how it works in LE world, but now u got it nancy.


Your a wanna be who calls himself a subject matter expert based of his miserale existence after watching non-stop episodes of Cops. You have NO idea what a hard day is. You go to the gym? Wow tough guy......I go to the gym too, I also went to the weights in my combat outpost in Iraq.....but I have over 5000 posts on this site and u wont find one of them stroking my ego about how much better I am than the next guy. No, I got respect.


Knowlege and wisdom trump fitness all day every day.....cause Im here to tell u, I can catch most suspects that run right now, but guess what? You have to do a thing called a report afterwards and I cant do that right now without a senior LEOs help. Another reason why wisdom and knowledge is better than fitness is cause when a suspect runs off and gets tired, all the LEO needs to do is have his info(which they typically do) and then go issue a warrant after filing out a proable cause affadavit.....those types of perspectives come only after years on the job.


So while ur busy standing the mirror convincing urself that ur gods gift to earth in a sorry excuse to disguise ur overwheliming insecurites, you may want to show some respect cause u have no concept of what this job is about or what it entails.


In fact u have no grasp or clue on what life is even about.


Your stay will be short. Comin here and pissing off while disrespecting a senior LEO is quickest ticket off this site.


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                       By the way your name says it all ironbrock, You are not Brock lesnar that's for sure, and you did insult by your opening comment, when and if you make it I think you will be regretting your comments.  I would take an over weight partner with age then an younger in shape arrogant jerk any day. Guys like you come in as an rookie and either get others hurt or your self hurt or just get your self in trouble and burn out quickly, i've seen it happen.  If you want to do this job knock down the attitude a little and think before you speak.

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True, just look at Roy Nelson. He doesn't look like an athlete.........at all, but he can bang with the best for sure. He's got great conditioning to boot.



Thats a very funny example. The guy can bang. When he jumps and sits on top of the cage and rubs his belly. Priceless.


I have went from 222 to 215 since Dec 27th,2009. No sugar eating  fruits and vegetables really watching what you eat.


Exercising heavily,  miss the junk food but important to stay healthy and live a long life.


 

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True, just look at Roy Nelson. He doesn't look like an athlete.........at all, but he can bang with the best for sure. He's got great conditioning to boot.



Thats a very funny example. The guy can bang. When he jumps and sits on top of the cage and rubs his belly. Priceless.


I have went from 222 to 215 since Dec 27th,2009. No sugar eating  fruits and vegetables really watching what you eat.


Exercising heavily,  miss the junk food but important to stay healthy and live a long life.


 



Roy's huge gut is his best asset. Did you see him destroy Kimbo with it?


 


 



 



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I will say until you run with the extra 20 pounds that is added by all the gear on then don't say someone is out of shape. The funny part I look out of shape, but I have never lost a foot pusuit. If you go by looks alone wake up to the real world. Criminals can look out of shape and they can give you the fight of your life.


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