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I work for Jasper County Missouri and my department is trying to get Goatees allowed. I have been tasked with looking up other departments that allow goatees and see how their policy is worded so we can have something to go by. Does any one elses department allow goatees and if so where can I look up the policy for them.

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My department does not allow them!

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You might check with Alvarado P.D. in Johnson Co., TX. I do believe they allow their officers to have goatees.


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Not sure if it'll help or not as its a PD, but you can check the police policy manual on www.madisonpolice.com and they allow "Van dyke" goatees.


 


Excerpt:  PG. 72  Or just Ctrl+F  and type Beard.

 


MUSTACHES AND BEARDS


 


1. Officers may wear beards, Vandyke goatees, mustaches or other


arrangements that when maintained in a neat, clean manner, present a


groomed appearance.


2. Facial hair shall not exceed one and one half inches in length.

 


Disclaimer:  I am not (as of yet) a member of this department, I just read everything available to me on their site. 


 

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My department would not allow this.


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Facial hair is not allowed.  Only LEO's allowed to have this type of facial hair are those working Naro related cases.


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Our department allows a mustache as long as it remains neatly groomed.  No other facial hair, beards or goatees are NOT allowed.  My personal opinion is that other than NARCO or other undercover assignments, beards and goatees have no place in "uniformed" law enforcement. 

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Our department only allows mustaches while in uniform. Plain clothes are free to do what they wish.

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No, period. The ONLY facial hair allowed should be a neatly trimmed mustache that does not go below the corners of the mouth. Also sideburns should be middle of the ear and hair short and neatly trimmed. The only exceptions should be undercover officers. The public makes quite a bit out of our personal apperances not to mention that one should never have anything attached to your head or face a bad guy could grab and use against you. I am also old fashioned enough to think that BDU's and other type 'uniforms' should only be allowed for K-9 and work that will involve getting dirty or special tactics. A "street cop" should look like a poster of a Marine IMHO. It's called "COMMAND PRESENCE" and I am a huge believer in that. During my active career I was not a large individual but because of my clean, pressed and proper uniform and apperance I was able to exert command over situations when someone wanted to see "a cop".

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goatees are ugly on anything even goats.

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The City of Duluth Police Department in Georgia allows their Officers to wear goatee in uniform. You might check with them about their policy.


 


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We're not "supposed" to have anything but a mustache.  But, I think facial hair is no different from the hair on your head.  If it's maintained neatly, not too scraggly, then it's ok.

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Thanks rickm I have a goatee and I look hot. LOL Besides that it hides some of the ugly.


Our Dept. allows facial hair well groomed and neat. Sheriff used to have a full beard.


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The only thing my facility stresses is a neat hair cut and keeping a good appearance on and off duty.

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Its purely dept preference. My dept does not allow them. Mustaches only to the sides of the mouth, sideburns to the bottom of the ear, and no beards unless a medical necessity. Still, IMHO, goatees are so common place now, that as long as they are neatly maintained, I have no problem with them.


 


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Not sure about the corrections side of the house, but our department allows them on the probation side

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I worked at a dept that did allow it for awhile.  There was no written policy on it just the Chief's say so that it was OK.  I actually looked my age, yeah I am one of those that looks way younger than what I really am.  I cut it off because I kept pulling hair off my chin with the collapsible buttstock on my Colt.  Those that did wear one kept it clean, neatly groomed and fairly short in length


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Macon County Sheriff, Decatur, IL allows us as corrections officers to have goatees. I don't believe that we have a policy written. The sheriff is allowing them because we begged for years to have them. The only stipulations are no beards and they have to be kept neatly groomed. I don't see the problem with letting officers have them as long as they keep them under control. We police ourselves. if someones facial hair is getting out of control I would say hey bro this is a privilege don't ruin it for the rest of us clean it up. Some people look at goatees as unprofessional. Facial hair has nothing to do with the way a person carries out their daily duties. Hope this helped.


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We are not allowed to have them.

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Thanks guys for all your help. I go a policy written up and turned into my Lt. So now all we are waiting on is the Sheriffs approval.

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Not allowed to have them, they tend to interfere with gas masks.

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My agency only allows a groomed mustache not to extend beyond the corners of the mouth. I know that a couple years ago Taylor, Texas PD was allowing facial hair as long as it is groomed and proffessional in appearance. Not sure if there policy has changed.


 Once upon a time people with tattoos were generally considered to be degenerates, now most cops I know have at least one. Nothing wrong with tattoo's so long as you dont have a nude woman involved in a lewd act tattoo'd to your forehead or some similiaraly offensive tatt!!! Cant see the difference between that and facial hair.


Dont forget, styles change, Jesus wore a beard and our country's forefathers wore wigs and panty hose!!!!!!

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Perhaps I was a bit harsh to use the word "scumbags", what I actually meant was "dirtbags" or you can fill in the blank with whatever your term for someone who does look good in uniform. In the military we use the phrase "you look like a bag of smashed ***holes".


Law enforcement is paramilitary by rank structure, discipline, profession of arms, and uniformity among other things. You must look the part to play the part.


Durring my time in service, I have worked with Nato, and partnered with many foreign military groups. American military is well respected in part because we are all uniform, down to the mustache/hair regulations. You put a handful of different foreign soliders together, and we still look the best, not because of the uniform itself, but because of the regulation of facial hair/ haircuts.


Yesterday, my wife and I heard a story about someone posing to be a police officer to lure children into a vehicle. My wife and I began to talk about "well how would the kids know better, he had  a badge, and what appeared to be a police car"... Then we began discussing how to educate our kids on the police and imposters. I'm pretty certain we will tell our kids "if the officer has a beard, run".


I realize you posed the question "goatees while on duty" in order to drum up support for your regulation, and this is merely my 2 cents. We need to be uniform in every controllable aspect specifically for the public to see what a police officer is supposed to look like.


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scotc130lm says ...



Not allowed to have them, they tend to interfere with gas masks.



Ya know, I never had a problem with a gas mask and a goatee, or even a light beard... I suppose if you look like Grisly Adams you might..

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Mpsoldier83 says ...



scotc130lm says ...



Not allowed to have them, they tend to interfere with gas masks.



Ya know, I never had a problem with a gas mask and a goatee, or even a light beard... I suppose if you look like Grisly Adams you might..



With the gas mask sealing around the chin. . . . .how do you get it to seal with facial hair?  Not that I really care one way or the other but if you are pressed into a situation where even just the chemical munitions will be deployed, are you going to take the time to shave before being posted?  OR, are you going to take the chance on being gassed yourself while trying to defend a perimeter?  What if. . . . .(I know, we can play this all day along) bad guys deploy some sort of gasious substance that your gas mask has the ability to stop.  Are you willing to take the chance that your mask doesn't seal properly and you end up being gassed????  As with everything else, this is just my humble feelings on the situation you pose.

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not with our department.  well, dont get caught with one anyways.


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msp1672 says ...



Mpsoldier83 says ...



scotc130lm says ...



Not allowed to have them, they tend to interfere with gas masks.



Ya know, I never had a problem with a gas mask and a goatee, or even a light beard... I suppose if you look like Grisly Adams you might..



With the gas mask sealing around the chin. . . . .how do you get it to seal with facial hair?  Not that I really care one way or the other but if you are pressed into a situation where even just the chemical munitions will be deployed, are you going to take the time to shave before being posted?  OR, are you going to take the chance on being gassed yourself while trying to defend a perimeter?  What if. . . . .(I know, we can play this all day along) bad guys deploy some sort of gasious substance that your gas mask has the ability to stop.  Are you willing to take the chance that your mask doesn't seal properly and you end up being gassed????  As with everything else, this is just my humble feelings on the situation you pose.



Not a problem :) 


What I'm saying is that under chemical munition fire (L-8's, CS, etc.) I have not had any problems getting a good seal on my mask.  Its not a hypothetical situation for me, we expend large amounts of chemicals (when we're lucky enough to have stuff coming up on its experation) for training and thats where my experience with facial hair and a pro-mask come from. 


I got the facial hair talk when I was on active duty in the army and even a bit here, since its part of the training curriculum, but we have guys on our disturbance control team that have a good sized beard and manage to get a seal just fine.  I only have a very minimal beard from time to time from only shaving once a month or so (aside from trimming for neatness).


I hope that clears up my statement, I don't doubt that there is a point at which a beard will conflict with getting a seal, I just haven't had it be a problem with what I PERSONALLY consider a neat well trimmed amount of facial hair (goatee or light beard, properly trimmed no longer than an inch or so), which I'm sure the OP was trying to get allowed in his department.

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Gas mask who gets a gas mask? We dont worry about that one. I'll keep my goatee. You can always use petroleum jelly on the beard or goatee to insure a tight seal. I used to do this when I worked at the mine for bad fumes and poisonous gas. ie Cyanide, lead, and zinc etc.


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I am old school I guess. I believe in a mustache only. I also hate the BDU our department has gone to. I used to pride myself in wearing a dress shirt, tie, badge, neatly pressed uniform pants and highly polished shoes. I even polished my leather gear on a monthly basis. These embroidered badges and name tags just don't do it for me. As for comfort, I never had a problem. I got a clothing allowance annually so I could always replace the damaged stuff. If it happened during an arrest I would note it in the report. Many times the judge would charge the suspect. But I guess times have changed.

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I think they look completely unprofessional.

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