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When we carried "revolvers"

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I was first issued a Smith and Wesson mod10 .38 for my duty weapon as a young Deputy US Marshal. This was back in Nov of 1982. And I must add that the feeling of being "Well Armed" was constant in my view. However, if you fast forward to to-day, I probably would still carry such a simple and faithful tool, but only as a "back up" peace.    What say you?

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I say...I shot consistant 100's with my S&W Mod. 64.  (July of 1984) we were issued only dump pouches and on my modest salary it was a good while before I could afford the speed loaders and pouches to load a little faster.  The holster that I carried it in had a single leather strap that held it in place just like my dad carried back in the early 70's and those that had came before him for many years.  Wow, it seems like it was just yesterday but it has been 26 years now!!!  DAMN!


 

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I carried a Model 28 S&W when in the Armed Forces Police Detachment but with .38 rounds. Same when I went to Sad Diego as a reserve. They issued S&W model 10's with a 6" bbl! Fortunately they allowed you to carry your own .38 if you wanted to. When I went to Greenville, SC in 75 we were again issued Model 10 S&W's with a 4" heavy bbl. You had to carry those and use 158gr round nose lead! Damn things would not go through a windshield and I had one actually bounce off a tire at almost point blank range! They did upgrade us to the Model 64 S&W which is still the Model 10 but in SS. It was still a very accurate and dependable weapon and we also upgraded to 158gr lead hollow point plus P's. The worst part was they also issued at first those old swivel holster. The old guys know what I am talking about. You would end up actually sitting on them when you got into your cruiser and if you ran they would flap around and even spin on you! Thankfully we got high-rise break fronts after a few years. Sad to say that the Officers back then were much better shots and when it was necessary only fired a couple of shots if that many, and put the suspect down. Now the new guys often fire 12, 15 or more rounds and 'might' hit the suspect!For the new guys, practice at least monthly if not weekly until muscle memory makes you able to hit the target accurately and quickly every time. You life or your partners life may depend on it!

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I know brother. Boy, just compare the leather rigs that was standard issue. The level one holster, dump pouches, bullet loops and usually the soft nose .38 lead ammo. One would think that we were somewhat suicidal to have patroled the streets with such inferior equipment of the day.

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I am an old salt myself. My first duty weapon was the model 28 S&W .357 with 38 ammo. We had a cuff case with 12 bullet loops on it. I up graded to the .357 Colt Python and thought I was the cock of the walk. Also carried old reliable model 10, model 15 and model 64. The good ole days however, the Jordan holster with the suicide strap was not to secure. When hired in 1972 my first handgun ran me $75.00. I recall making payments on this piece. Nice trip down memory lane

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When I started the dept. provided uniforms, you bought your own leather and firearm.  I carried a Colt Python 4 inch blue (Sept. 1980). The belt loop vs. the dump pouch were not that great, I was happy to get speed loaders, I did not use speed strips.  I miss real leather gear. By the way I started on day one wearing a vest, and still do. Even back then when they weighed a ton, i just commited to wearing it.

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1982-Model 10 S&W. Great little toy........  yes we had dump pouches and speedloaders. I still own 2 wheels. went to a semi auto in 99.   We do need to remember the mutts back then had a little more respect then they do today.  Those were the days.

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I started with buying my own weapon since the department didn't issue any. We were required to buy a S&W Model 67 stainless 38 revolver. And like many of the stupid rookies I had it buffed so it would shine! Not good in dark alleys I later learned.

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Like some of you guys, I too carried the "Cadillac" of wheel guns; the "Colt Python 6" nickel" as a patrolman in the City of Inkster, Mich. And one day during a foot chase, my prize possession left it's holster as I jumped a fence chasing after a B&E suspect. And when it hit the ground, the very edge of the front end of the bbl, struck the pavement, followed by the cylinder. And after I retrieved my faithful companion, my eagle sank a couple of thousand feet. As there were small but hardly noticable gouges and scratches at the impact sites. And if I knew then, what I know now about the rareity of such fine and effective instruments of law-enforcement, I would never have sold it for the sickning price of $600.00. Yes I am still kicking myself in the A$$.!!, for such a desperate decission at the time, way back in 1993...LOL...

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Yeah... It's long, long ride from the days of the .38 Police Special to the "wonder nines" of today...  Specially talking about ammo capacity. Just imagine: 6 + 2 speedloaders = 18. You can have almost that in a single mag today... I my Beretta Inox holds 1 + 15, plus 2 mags @ 15 = 46 rounds. And, with the new ammo high tech you have some LE only 9mm rounds really pack a punch. Try Winchester Silvertip LE...


I am a Firearms Instructor. I find that I always had to work hard with the Old Timers transitioning to a Semi-Auto from Revolvers... On the GRIP... Believe it or not, old timers still tend to grab an auto with a "revolver grip" crossing the thumb on top of the strong hand, and sometimes resulting in a painful experience... When the slide travels above the weak hand leaving two nasty channels...

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S&W Model 65 2 speed loaders and a 12 loop holder.  3 of the 12 were 38 snakeshot.  Remember the old Clam Shell holster?


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In 1977 my first issued duty weapon was a Colt Police Positive Special in .38cal. I felt pretty well protected with this archaic sidearm until 1980 when I was able to "upgrade" to the department's only Colt Metropolitan .38 (heavy barrel predecessor of the Colt Trooper series).  We did not change over to autos until the early 80s when we transitioned to the S&W 469.  We thought that we were finally moving into the 19th century with that change!


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One of the guys in San Diego carried the issue S&W model10 with 6" bbl and actually BENT the barrel against the side of a suspects head. I mean the thing had a very noticeable 'curve' to the bbl! <LOL>

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I might add that I shot on the department Pistol Team and we used model 19 S&W's with 4" heavy bbls and we used the speed loaders. Frankly, I could dump and reload a revolver just as quick and almost anyone changing a mag on a semi-auto. Of course we practiced ALL the time too.

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Frank,


I'm glad to know that you are familiar with the Mod.92-FS.9mm/Beretta. Because I carry this peace, both on duty as a VA Cop, and Off Duty as well. Let's go shoot sometime, and perhaps with your special knowledge, you can break this "Old Timer's" bad habbits. You see, you described me to a "T" when you refered to the bad habbits of transitioning. Even though I have no problem shooting high 40's when qualifying for 50-Max / 40-Min... I always welcome good advice. And perhaps with more knowledge gained, I might become a "50" man every time.

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My first duty firearm, in 1978, was an S&W, Model 10 Heavy Barrel, with a dark blue finish.  I upgraded it slightly by putting a target trigger and hammer and getting a great action job on it.  A few years down te road, I had the blue finish removed and a black Teflon finish applied, along with some nice rubber grips, replacing the Goncalo Alves, I had on there from the begining.  In 1996, I transitioned to a Clock 19.


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Since i didn' get into LE until the latter part of the 80's, I started carring a S&W 681 (S&W's answer to the python) with .38 rounds, changed agency and went to a S&W model 66 with .357 rounds, and at my 3rd agency back to the 681 and .38 rounds.  Finally in 1990 went to a S&W 5946 semi auto in 9mm. jakesdad saw people who used the clamshell holster but fortunately never carried one myself, appearently with time the latch would break and your gun would be really secure, no one, including yourself could get it out.

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My first duty weapon was a S&W model 586 6 inch .357 Magnum. This thing looks like Dirty Harry's gun. LOL! I carried that for a couple of years then went to the Beretta 92F 9mm. I still have the the 586. I also carry a S&W Model 19 .38 stub nose for a back up. Great gun.

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Colt Trooper .357 magnum and then S & W 66

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Since i didn' get into LE until the latter part of the 80's, I started carring a S&W 681 (S&W's answer to the python) with .38 rounds, changed agency and went to a S&W model 66 with .357 rounds, and at my 3rd agency back to the 681 and .38 rounds.  Finally in 1990 went to a S&W 5946 semi auto in 9mm. jakesdad saw people who used the clamshell holster but fortunately never carried one myself, appearently with time the latch would break and your gun would be really secure, no one, including yourself could get it out.



Any bad guy worth his salt would know how to open the clam shell and your gun would fall to the floor when you walked into a bar.


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I was issued an S&W, M-64, .38 cal. Revolver in 1985. I first carried it in a holster that was designed for the Nassau County, NY, PD, which  looked like an ice cream cone with a trigger guard protector that kept the gun from being snatched from the rear. I tried to purchase the M-64 from my department in 1988 after we had switched over to Sig-Sauer P226's. Sad to say, the department sold all the M-10's and M-64's to an out of state gun dealer. I also carried an S&W M-60 as a back-up on an ankle holster or in my jacket pocket in the winter.

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S&W model 65 .357 Mag (in 1988) loaded with .38 spl (not even +P!), 2 speed loaders, 18 rounds total. And to think I had the chance to buy that weapon when we went to 9's later on and didn't...

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And... Does anyone remembers when the NYPD transitioned and some die hard "dinosaurs" refused to go back to re-qualify...? I personally know a few that retired with "old faithful .38"... LOL.


I am sure brooklynsergeant and servingproud knew some...

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And... Does anyone remembers when the NYPD transitioned and some die hard "dinosaurs" refused to go back to re-qualify...? I personally know a few that retired with "old faithful .38"... LOL.


I am sure brooklynsergeant and servingproud knew some...



Wasn't NYPD one of the last major agencies to switch form .38 revolvers to semi- autos?  It seems like they were still carrying .38's when I made my switch over to semi autos in 1990.

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Casscocop says ...



fplasencia says ...



And... Does anyone remembers when the NYPD transitioned and some die hard "dinosaurs" refused to go back to re-qualify...? I personally know a few that retired with "old faithful .38"... LOL.


I am sure brooklynsergeant and servingproud knew some...



Wasn't NYPD one of the last major agencies to switch form .38 revolvers to semi- autos?  It seems like they were still carrying .38's when I made my switch over to semi autos in 1990.



Right... That's what I am talking about....


If you want to know just a little more: Liberal groups in NY did all they could to prevent the switch. There were constant Media coverage against cops carrying "guns with 15 bullets"... Even after the change, they did pick up in the ammo... Al Sharpton was at the head with his argument against Cops using HP ammo... "bullets that expands killing more efficiently"... His stupid argument was to issue ball ammo to Cops... Would you believe...? The Media with Al Sharpton in the forefront becoming "ballistic experts" stating that ball ammo was "safer" than HP... Would you believe?


A lot of "dinosaurs" decided to stick with the .38 for as long as they could... Some actually retired with it....

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One of the departments around here will let you carry a revolver as your on duty weapon if you qualify for it. You're not out of luck everywhere.

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I started this whole path as a young Armed Security Officer and purchased and qualified with a 4" S&W Model 66. It was gorgeous, stainless with Hogue grips. When I entered the police academy in 1993 the department I was working for required us to carry issued weapons, (we could carry our own off-duty weapons as long as we qualified with them). but the dept. weapon was the Glock 22 .40 Cal.


and hence my introduction to a long career with semi-auto's.


I'm thinking about buying another Model 66 one day though.


 

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I'm 40 and all the L.E.O.'s I grew up around carried .38 s and the like.  

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I bought my first handgun when I was 25 years old and when she found out, my mom came un-glued.  It was a Ruger Security Six in blue steel and a six inch bbl.  I sold it in order to purchase the upgrade and my academy firearm, a Ruger GP100 stainless with a four inch bbl.  I love the GP100 but wish that I had kept the Security Six because it was my first.  Both were (and the GP100  still is) extremely accurate.


There were approximately 15 cadets including myself that used a wheelgun in the academy.  It was at the time when the "wonder-nines" were growing in popularity and most were using the 92F.  When the rangemaster had the class and taught how to strip and clean the firearm(s), he began with the automatics and finished with the revolvers.  As he told us that the revolver only required us to remove the gips to clean, I had already stripped my GP100 to nothing but a frame, removing the hammer spring, hammer, trigger group and cylinder.  That's how the Ruger manual instructs with both the Security-Six and the GP100 and that's how I ALWAYS cleaned it / them.  While everyone around me had horrified looks on their faces, I sat there with my rag of neatly arranged parts as the rangemaster stopped at my row and looked.  He just stopped talking for about thirty seconds and looked.  I guess when he felt satisfied that I knew what I was doing, he proceeded to remind all the other wheelgun toting cadets NOT to do what the cadet with the Ruger is doing and acknowleged that while mine disassembles just as I had done, none of the others do.


Having said that, I once had a friend of a co-worker observe how I cleaned my Ruger.  He had taken his father's S&W seven shot .22 cal revolver to the range and attempted to clean it the same way, by taking it apart...... completely.  He came to me with a shoe box full of parts and in a state of panic, believing that his father was going to kill him if he ever found out what he had done.  Lucky for him, I was able to put humpty dumpty together again.


To date, the GP100 has never seen active duty and I love my Sig..... but I will never part with the GP100.

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I started out with a department issued S&W 681 four inch stainless 357  and saved up for a 6 inch Python that I still have today.


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