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Posted almost 5 years ago

 

Anyone have any information about there states laws when it comes too concealed carry rights for out of state Police/Peace officers. I have heard there is federal legislation in place to allow peace/police officers to carry over their state lines but i am extremely hesitant to do so.

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It's called the Federal Law Enforcement Officers' Safety Act (FLEOSA). Google should provide you all the info you need on it. My understanding is that it essentially gives LEOs a concealed carry permit for every state. Meaning that the laws that apply to any other permit holder in that state also apply to an out of state LEO carrying in that state. So I would check up on the concealed carry laws for whatever state you may be traveling to.

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The bill was HR 218, type that into the search function on police link near the top of the page and find a wealth of discussions on the topic.  Be sure you fit the defination of a peace officer, most corrections officers are not covered by HR 218.

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That all is true but I have been told that some states won't honor the legislation.  I work in Arizona and have been told by California officers that they do not recognize HB 218 as being in accordance their states concealed carry laws.

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Wow the Soviet Socialist Republic of Kalifornia ignores federal law. is anyone actually shocked about that.


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The federal statute is 18USC926B for current officers and 926C for retired officers.  As far as the states the most recent test case was out of Sturgis South Dakota.  You can google Sturgis Shooting and what was held there is that the federal law trumps local and state CCW laws much like federal drug laws trump California's medical marijuana law.

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Of course just because you are right doesn't mean some rear end won't arrest you, or some prosecutor with an adgenda won't prosecute.  But if you are current law enforcement at the end of the day you SHOULD  be ok to carry concealed in any state.

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Here's a link in the Sturgis case


http://injusticeinseattle.blogspot.com/2008/09/sturgis-shooting-update-charges-dropped.html

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This is probably a better article.


 


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008404074_sturgis18m.html

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If you DO fall under the HR218 rule, and understand that there is specific circumstances for qualifications, then you STILL MUST carry your Dept. ID, both badge and paper ID AND a copy of something that states you have qualified with the weapon type you are carrying to standards. I have my retired badge and paper ID from SC and a signed form from the county Sheriff here in Fl where I live that states I am qualified with a Semi-Auto. If I decide that I would rather carry a revolver I need to go back and qualify with the revolver as well which is something I will probably do soon. You STILL cannot carry concealed in any business that has it posted no weapons allowed or any government office or facility, polling place or place where the consumption of alcohol is allowed.

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Wow the Soviet Socialist Republic of Kalifornia ignores federal law. is anyone actually shocked about that.



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best thing to do is get a CCW for your state, because more states have compacts with each other and you are sure to be covered, at least as long as you follow the RULES..

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You might find this interesting.


http://www.carryconcealed.net/

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In New Jersey the Attorney General is against HR 218. Any out of state LEO is only considered an armed citizen and has no police powers. For instance, I carried hollow points for 27 years on the job and the day after I retired I could have been arrested for a felony if I had them in my weapon or possession. Go figure.

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Reference HR218 state law DOES NOT supersede this law. There have been a few cases in many states that LEO's were arrested and then charges dismissed. This law has been tested in NY City and SD and it was upheld by the judges. As some have said they can arrest you and try to prosecute you but they will lose in the end. Just make sure in compliance with the statute and you will be fine. Robocop33 only retired officers have to carry something that says they qualified. Current officers just need their ID and badge. This has been tested a few times in NY City and the officer has won every time. And as most of you know NY City is one of the strictist Jurisidiction in the country when it comes to concealed carry! Good Luck.


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I had thre privilage to help create HR-218 and it gives retires federal , state and local police officers the right to carry in the United States. you have to find a place in your state that offers the class, most community colleges have a program. This is a federal law and it doesn't matter if a paticular states attorney doesn't like it, Federal supercedes State and Local law in this instance. The Congressional program of 100.000 police officers on the street was never a success and never properly funded. Also knowing I was going to retire within several years, i approached the Leadership staff of my protectee in Congress and advised a better program would be retired police officers, being allowed to carry. It is true that if you are carrying, you are on your own, and that you are a private citizen and will be treated as such with the caveat that you are authorized to carry a firearm and to use it to prevent the threat of death or severe bodily injury to yourself or others. W hen using the word others , one must bear into account any paticular good samaritan laws of the jurisdiction of which they are in, as it is meant seriously that you are just a legally armed private citizen. nominally using good common sense and applying the 'reasonable man test' will apply, it is also good to accurately be able to articulate and cover your actions by applying the same reasonable cause you would have used on the job, only in this instance you are not covered by ant department or agency, and liability falls on you, so please know how to cover yourself as aticulately and as intelligently as possible, always know the laws of where you are or are going to be, it's easy to just google the jurisdiction and read it or call and ask. stay safe


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Even though I carry under HR218 I attended the CCW class. I do hope the nation wide CCW will pass in the near future.

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In the end, if I have to use my weapon in either self-defense or in the defense of others, if I am wrong, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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I carry EVERYWHERE - it's our department policy to do so. As mentioned, if you fall under HR218, you are covered federally - not state or locally. I always have a copy of my department policy letter in my vehicle (and if I question where I'm going, on my person).  I have never ran into anyone that did not respect HR218 as the bottom line, and if I do, they better understand the meaning of the word "Federal".


I cross state lines often for National Guard duty, and personal travel. Never had any sort of problem.

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I have carried concealed in 4 states so far outside of California.  I have yet to be bothered let alone questioned.  My department does not require me to carry off-duty however, I choose to do so.  My department ID states HR218 qualified.  I recently carried into a major event in SLC.  All that was required was my department ID and flat-badge.  Now if only we could carry at the airports while off-duty.

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On a side note, for whatever reason our village is becoming known for the number of CCW permits. Our dispatch covers multiple jurisdictions, and made a bet today on who would run the next plate with a CCW. Took me about a minute and a half. I then proceeded to tell dispatch that the number of CCW permits in our village is the reason we aren't as busy as the surrounding areas.