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Posted over 7 years ago

 

Has anyone had any experience with carrying your firearm onto an airplane during a trip (in a non duty related situation, ie: off-duty)

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I've heard you need to watch a TSA-sponsored training video and be approved by your department. I don't think it necessarily needs to be a work-related, but I think the department needs to approve the training.


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Unless your a Federal Officer I don't believe you can carry your firearm on a airplane if not on official business.

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Kind of on the subject, but kind of not. I'm a cop in the Air Force. I'm currently in Iraq serving. We had to carry our M9/M4 onto the plane. TSA personnel had to inspect our gun cases and placed a document in them. Additionally, they had to look over a copy of our orders. They were not on our personnel, but rather stored below. Even if I had the choice of carrying concealed on the plane, I don't think I would.

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I did a few months ago. You have to take the mandatory class and adhere to several requirements. Texas is Course
#3303 - It's just like any other system...sometimes it went very smooth and other times not so smooth... If your off-duty it will be up to your individual agency to allow you to be armed. I was not asked any questions after presenting all paperwork...If you've never done it, I can tell you that it is a very sobering feeling getting on a plane and knowing that your finger is the only thing standing between a safe flight and an International Incident. I wouldn't recommend doing it off duty, but I'm sure with cops that could be debated for days...goodluck...

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I was going to with American Airlines. I found out though that you can't carry it on with you but you can check it in locked in a crush proof box and fill out the appropriate paper work. Only duty situations allow for loaded carry. I'm scared of lost luggage incidents. I've been victim once to it... I'd hate to ever have my gun in it and it happen again. UGH!


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Checking it is not an option. The people that work for the TSA here in the city are all perps. I know one cops who had his gun stolen by a TSA agent. Thankfully, another airport worker saw the guy take the gun, and turned him in.

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I have taken my gun on many, many personal trips where I have flown. It is very easy to check it into your luggage and check it through. Much more difficult to fly armed. Never had a problem with TSA or an airline with putting it in my luggage and transporting it that way. Only real problem is you can not do the self checkin and have to wait in line to check in with an agent. Stood for 2 hrs at LAX last month to check in with an agent for my flight due to the fact that I had my gun in my luggage. Needs to be in a locked crush proof box and needs to be unloaded. LAX wanted me to prove that it was unloaded and I was nervous pulling out a gun in the middle of the airport so I had them call LAX police and have a officer stand by while I did it so I would not get shot by another officer just walking by. Only time in about 10 trips where they wanted me to prove that it was unloaded though.

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To fly armed, you have to complete the traing course. You have to provide TSA with a letter from your dept that states your need to fly armed, You must have your agency credentials with signature of bearer, signature of issuing official, agency seal, and photo of bearer, and youmust be from a legit LE agency.

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one of our officers went to NY and the chief had to write a letter.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I use to work for the TSA as a security officer & here at Bergstrom Intl airport in Austin, Tx, only FAM, licensed Pilots & LEOS escorting a prisoner were allowed to fly armed provided they present the proper credentials & paperwork. Off duty LEOs had to check their weapons in checked luggage & it had to be in a hard metal case box & the ammo in a ammo box.

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It's such a hassle and a headache to attempt to fly armed; it's simply not worth the effort.

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I am a federal air marshal and I know this policy well. All federal leos can carry on a commercial aircraft any time. Local police can only carry on official business such as picking up a suspect or going to training. The police officer has to present a letter to the gate agent that they did the TSA flying armed class, their badge and creds and a leter from the agency stating they need to carry the weapon. I have busted one FFDO and a reserve police officer trying to break the rules. The FFDO got his badge and gun taken away from him and the reserve police officer got in trouble with his department. All we did was call his chief and asked why the officer was trying to fly armed while on vacation. The FFDO was also on vacation with his issued weapon. I run into every fed I can think of while flying for work and a handful of local police. Most of the cops are picking up a suspect at a jail.

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A guy from my department went to LA with his gun. He picked up his wife after work and forgot to put his duty weapon in the house. When he got to O Hare he told the airline and they seated him before the rest of the passengers and met the pilot and co pilot. I believe the airline took care of all the paper and he had to sign promising to take police action.

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CPD18578 :

If this is true then the air lines did not do their job. The air marshal service just had a e-mail go out a few months ago saying that the airlines are not enforceing the TSA flying armed policy to well. It seems as police officers are some how flying armed and no one seems to be catching this. I do not have a problem with a sworn LEO flying with a weapon but the TSA policy says that they can not unless they meet the requirments I stated above. I am just waiting for a case when someone flashes a fake police ID and gets on a plane. The airlines need to follow policy and check for proper paperwork. We do not live in a perfect world and crap happens.

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intheaircop: "All federal leos can carry on a commercial aircraft any time" do you have a reference to that policy? I just went to Miami and back to Detroit and checked my off-duty carry in a locked case, in my suitcase. I did have to present the revolver to the Ticket Agent to certify it being empty; a little strange, showing a firearm in a crowded airport ticket area (Detroit Metro) but I had my creds handy in case there was a question. The TSA x-rayed my suitcase while I waited, gave me a thumb's up and it met me at Miami; I would rather carry if I could tough...

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I was told from day one that any federal LEO can bring a weapon on board the aircraft. I do not have the policy in front of me but I see every fed from --- FBI , SS , DEA , ATF , OIG , ARMY CID , MARINES CID , DEPT OF EDUCATION AGENTS (OIG) , CBP , US FOREST SERVICE , BORDER PATROL , IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AGENTS , I can go no but these are a few that I have met while on duty.

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intheaircop: It's true. This happened sometime in '05.

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I am sure it has happened hundreds of times due to the fact that the airlines are the ones who are enforceing the policy. Once the ticket agent gives the LEO the paperwork then they are in. It is up to the ticket agent to check them. When a police officer is on my flight I will ask them why they are flying and they normaly say they are picking up a suspect and then no big deal.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I've taken the TCLEOSE course for flying armed, but have never had to do it...yet. My father is F.B.I. and he flies armed all the time. No sweat for the Feds.

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Rate This | Posted almost 7 years ago

 

I took the cours that "Gone" is talking about and it was my understanding that you had to have the same course in all states to be allowed to fly armed. It does enable you to fly without a prisoner but it's a lot of paper work and a pain in the ass. If you are flying to pick someone up in another state or location you have to do this twice.

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knightranger said:

I took the cours that "Gone" is talking about and it was my understanding that you had to have the same course in all states to be allowed to fly armed. It does enable you to fly without a prisoner but it's a lot of paper work and a pain in the ass. If you are flying to pick someone up in another state or location you have to do this twice.

knight ranger said it all....

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Guys, Im new to this forum,but wanted to let you all know that i work for the Department of Homeland Security/ Transportation Security Administration. It's true Fed's have no problem boarding a plane armed. As far as the rest of the LEO's it's a different story. Personally i don't understand it myself. It is possible it may change in the future.

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elgallo said:

I was planning a trip that never happened but found out you fill out a form with the airline and that's it. They said they might seat you in a different place and you must keep it concealed and no drinks. Again my trip never happened so I'm not sure all of the details, the paperwork I got from continental sounded like they expected me to be on duty related travel, made me a little nervous, but the TSA guys said that was no problem...I'm still confused by it.

As a LEO on duty you can carry on the plane, off duty is a no go. You can bring your weapon,but it must be checked and you must notify the airline and TSA. If you or anybody else has any other related questions feel free to send it my way.

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intheaircop said:

I am a federal air marshal and I know this policy well. All federal leos can carry on a commercial aircraft any time. Local police can only carry on official business such as picking up a suspect or going to training. The police officer has to present a letter to the gate agent that they did the TSA flying armed class, their badge and creds and a leter from the agency stating they need to carry the weapon. I have busted one FFDO and a reserve police officer trying to break the rules. The FFDO got his badge and gun taken away from him and the reserve police officer got in trouble with his department. All we did was call his chief and asked why the officer was trying to fly armed while on vacation. The FFDO was also on vacation with his issued weapon. I run into every fed I can think of while flying for work and a handful of local police. Most of the cops are picking up a suspect at a jail.

Hey what is the quals to get into the air marshal field seems like it would be a blast


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IN THE AIR COP IS 100% ON THE MONEY..........

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Missouri has a class to take for officers to fly armed but then you have to make contact with the TSA to notify them who you are before you fly. Air Marshals use a frangable round while they fly and I believe that you have to use that round when you fly.
I feel that All LEO's should be allowed to carry on planes on or off duty. Just how many Air Marshals are flying at one time. I also feel that cops should be allowed to fly as Air Marshals for a secondary job.

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Rate This | Posted almost 7 years ago

 

A little word of advice. Dont ever check your gun at O'hare. It will get stolen. I think its happened about 5 times in the past year.