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Lion1_max50

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Posted about 5 years ago

 

My department had been on 10 hour and is now on 8 hour shifts, but our patrol officers are wanting something better. Anyone out there on 12 hour shifts. I would welcome pros and cons. Thanks

Police-women_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Yes there are pros and cons,


Pros


I travel 50minutes so this is good for less days travelled.


More time off with family


Every other weekend off


If youa re here for 10 hours might as well be here 12 and one less day


Cons-


If something happens it becomes a 16-24hour day very quickly


It is harder to attend sports/school events for kids


midnights can be very lonnng...


time off takes a chunk 3days 36hours.... ouch


If it's a bad day 12 hours is very long.......


For me overall I like them.  


less time ont he road, more time at home, midnights are killers on the weekends whn the kids are home but they will grow up and leave sometime,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,yes they will


 


 


 


 


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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

So many variables; Don't know what 'better' means nor do  know the o/t agreements but here goes some considerations.


What is most important to you ?


Time with your family, overtime pay, compensatory time off, weekends off, what shift , shift differential and o/t rate adds up.. Do you get the o/t 5 days / week or do you work 32 hrs, get paid for 48 and have the rest of the time off, What are your spouses days and hours? What about the kids schedule? MONEY, MONEY, MONEY ?? Time OFF time OFF TIME OFF ?? Fishing , boating, skiing, golf, shooting .What are the kids activities ? When does that occur ? ALL up to the wife ?!


 Then we look at the  health issues, fatigue, alertness on the job, relations with friends and family, charity work suffers, work out schedule, entertainment, dietary issues( on midnights I ate only breakfast type meals) if you are on midnights you really shouldn't change your schedule during off time, when to play with the kids and especially the wife ! Sleep is always a problem. Are you trading daily o/t  for weekends off ?


Well I admit , I offered no answers , but I think you have enough info to make a more  INFORMED decision

Jpd_new_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

The hardest part is to get everyone to agree.  We voted months ago for a change to 12 hr shifts (75% to 25%).  Tens and 8 1/2 are out of the question (too much OT involved).  Administration is dragging their feet because it's a benefit to Patrol and they would lose people rom specialized units.


Cons said:


Makes for a long day when one has court scheduled.


Side jobs are effected.


I don't want to work a long midnight shift.


You won't have any time for your family or a social life because it's work, then sleep, then back to work again.


People will leave specialized units for the Patrol schedule.


 


Pros said:


Almost 3 months extra off


Easier for management to schedule


Manpower will be better filled.


Mental health will be better because you are at work less.


 


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Lone-ranger_clr01_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I work 12's.  I have also worked 11's and 10's. I work 4 on 4 off right now.  I have also worked a 4 on, 4 off, 4 on, 2 off pattern.


Current shift pattern is one set 6-6, next set 7-7.  On an eight day set, 1st 2 shifts are days, next 2 shifts are nights, then 4  off.


My body prefers the 10's.  My family and I prefer the 12's.  With a 4 on 4 off schedule it's brilliant for time off.  Take 4 days off and get 12 with your regular days off!  Plus there is built in overtime as over a year, you are working more than 40 hrs per week.  My dept. gives the overtime in the form of days off only which is fine by me! 


2 days off never seemed like enough to catch up on anything.  I also like the 2 days followed by 2  nights.  You get to sleep in after 2 day shifts and essentially get a day off between as you dont hafta go in to work until 1800.  Also good for my body, I never get used to nights because I only get 2 of them in an 8 day shift pattern.


The one negative is you get off work at 0600/0700 on your first day off and sleep most of it.  Some guys can do it on 3 hours sleep and do something useful with their 1st day off.


The second negetive for 12's is the long days.  By the time you get changed and travel home, there isnt much time except to eat and sleep.


I think it's nearly impossible to determine what the perfect shift pattern is.  Different squads have different needs and different people can handle (or not) certain shift patterns.

Lion1_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

What would also be interesting to know is the size of your respective departments. We are alotted 63 patrolman on patrol but are currently running with about 53. Our city is roughly 63000 give or take about 5000 to 8000. In Arkansas we are the fourth largest city and in our area tied for the most call volume. Scottyboyc, you bring up more options for the 12 hour schedule but i am not sure if my administration would entertain what your department is doing. Personally I loved the 10's but we have already been told that we will never go back to the 10's. Thank you everyone for your input.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I have worked 12's almost all my LE career and I find it is a good way to work alot of time off. What is more of a question is the rotation of days on to days off. I have worked 3 on 3 off I think I liked the best. we currently work 2 on 2 off 3 on 2 off 2 on three off repeat. and its ok except swaping days to nights every two weeks. we use to swap every time comming to work nights off days off nights off days ect..when i breafly worked 8's i really missed the days off you can take 7 days of vacation and be off two weeks. i hope this helps.


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Lone-ranger_clr01_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

There are 250 patrol officers in my dept.  Surrey RCMP, British Columbia.  600 in total, we are plainclothes top heavy.   There are four watches, A, B, C, D.  A watch starts the cycle, then the next watch starts 2 days later and so on.   The City is divided into 5 zones. Each zone has 8-15 members plus 2 Corporals and 1 Sergeant  The city also has 1 Staff Sergeantand 1 Inspector on duty. 


Another local dept. has a schedule I wouldn't mind trying.


They work 4 on 4 off.  1st set is days 6-6 or 7-7.  Next 2 sets are afternoons, 2-2, and finally 1 set of nights 7-7.

Lone_ranger_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I DO THREE 12S AND A 6.  IT ISN'T THAT BAD, DEPENDING ON YOUR SHIFT AND WHAT TIME FRAME YOUR 6 FALLS IN.  IS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF TIME OFF BUT FOR US OLDER GUYS, WE STILL HAVE TO SPEND A DAY OR TWO RECUPERATING.


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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

I have worked 12hr shifts at another Department but the one I'm on now only works 8's and we don't rotate anything, meaning if you don't have a weekend day off as a normal day off you never get a weeekend day off.  We have a really bad turn over rate and I think 12 hr shift might help.


Email me anything that helped your Department switch to 12 hr shifts.  lambertfam.org">eric@lambertfam.org


Thank you.


Eric Lambert


 

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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

My department is on 8 hour shifts 4 days on and 2 days off.  I would like it if our department would go to 12 hours shifts also.  I currently have 24 vacation days a year and the vaction days are considered 8 hours.  If we went to 12 hours days I would still have 24 vacation days but instead of them being 8 hours vacation days they would be 12 hours vacation days, so I would not lose any vacation days.


Well atleast I would hope the city would do this considering this is how our fire department is set up right now.  I believe they are close in the same amount of vacation days but thier vacation days are considered 24 hour days. 


 


If your department whill not consider the 12 hour shift try and run the 4 days on 2 days off.  We rotate backwards in our days off.  Say I work Monday thru thursday I would have off Friday and Saturday and then work Sunday thru Wednesday and have off thursday and Friday

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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

I have been on 12 hrs since I worked for the department and I honstly like it alot.  I worked nights for 2 years and the only bad part about that was I would get off work at 6 a.m. and stay up till about 10 a.m. and then wake up around 3-3:30 p.m. so my sleep schedual was all messed up but I have been on days for a little over a year now and I have no complaints.  If I have doc appointments for my son I always know my schedual I have that 3 day weekend every other weekend.  The only part is that 36 hour weekend I do have to work, that sunday always kills me.