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Civilian Cops vs. Real Cops?

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Renee_i_max50

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I just recently took a course in Ethics within the Criminal Justice System. There it was reiterated that the Police are the most viable agents of the justice system today. As we see police officers maintain order within our society, we also see those who are routinely held to a higher standard than those they serve in the community. Officers are expected to not only posses and lead communities with wisdom, integrity, temperance, compassion, courage, honesty and restraint.
If it were not for the leadership of our officers, we would be a society with no order, right. Moreover, without order in our society we could not possess the many freedoms we still have today.  Also, with the police being given a huge amount of discretion and the current officers knowing how to use this discretion--I question…
 
How in the world will the mass bodies of civilian police being invoked on America change the way you do your job? Also, how in God's name will the integrity, honesty, will to be honest at all costs be found within these mass groups their pulling and "accepting" from the streets…then calling them cops. 
 
Although they may not have the same powers you do today…Would you agree that it takes (1) incident, (1) tragedy here in the U.S. and these mere citizens will be given the same authority as an officer of the law? Does this bother you--? It does me…I do not see how corruption will not become rampant with these civilian officers…
 
Any thoughts please...
M- Santos

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msantos says ...



How in the world will the mass bodies of civilian police being invoked on America change the way you do your job? Also, how in God's name will the integrity, honesty, will to be honest at all costs be found within these mass groups their pulling and "accepting" from the streets…then calling them cops. 
 
Although they may not have the same powers you do today…Would you agree that it takes (1) incident, (1) tragedy here in the U.S. and these mere citizens will be given the same authority as an officer of the law? Does this bother you--? It does me…I do not see how corruption will not become rampant with these civilian officers…
 
Any thoughts please...
M- Santos

These questions are presented as if policing is a brand new concept. By "mass bodies of police" if you mean my department, or the standards of police departments across america. They don't change the way the job is performed. Police departments maintain standards in order to recruit officers  "with wisdom, integrity, temperance, compassion, courage, honesty and restraint". Believe me, no officer is being "pulled from the streets". Each and every one is hand picked, put through testing, oral boards, polygraphs, psychological exams, financial checks, background checks, etc... They are only called "cops" once they have met the set standards.


As to the second part of your question, I do not agree in the least. There will always be a need for police, and powers  greater than that of the average citizen. Police corruption will not become rampant because the average officer is thoroughly screened and desires to make a difference. That is like saying "only __ percent of people are morally qualified to be doctors".


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Msantos, are you referring to what Pres Obama calls a civilian defense force?  Better known as "Brown shirts" by those who know a little history?  The idea of these people having power is very frightening.  Law Enforcement is held to a high standard, and training has been constantly improving for years, especially ethics and Constitutional law training.  This "civilian defense force" is an unknown at this time, but historical precedent makes me very uneasy about it.  Such forces in the past have been little more than government-sanctioned thugs, given authority and direction, but little training and accountability.  So, my answer is that we just don't know, but history warns us of the dangers.  George Santayana was absolutely right.


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I dont understand the title, and really not understanding the point of the post.

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Msantos, are you referring to what Pres Obama calls a civilian defense force?  Better known as "Brown shirts" by those who know a little history?  The idea of these people having power is very frightening.  Law Enforcement is held to a high standard, and training has been constantly improving for years, especially ethics and Constitutional law training.  This "civilian defense force" is an unknown at this time, but historical precedent makes me very uneasy about it.  Such forces in the past have been little more than government-sanctioned thugs, given authority and direction, but little training and accountability.  So, my answer is that we just don't know, but history warns us of the dangers.  George Santayana was absolutely right.



Seems that is what she's talking about


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ahh..politics...no thanks.

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sounds scary hope it dosnt happen. armed forces and the police force thats all we need. if its not broke dont fix it.

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Interesting subject, Brownshirts ? is that actually appropriate ?


Civilian Officers, more to my idea would be what many refer to as a rent a cop / Security Officer


If there was a collapse within the system and this is a worse case scenario, there might be a call to bridge gaps within the system using someone like this, rampant corruption fair probability.


Given the training i have is as a Peace Officer, I would not like the thoughts of incorporating them into the system with equal rights to perform the duties regular officers perform on a day to day basis.


brownshirts ? reference online as in neo nazis ? bad scenario, we had to deny them any powers within our military a couple yrs ago under bush when they tried to push their way into iraq / afganistan. they would uphold general laws but with a twist i would find deplorable.


My biggest fear would be if a community policing force wasn't able or willing to do the needed testing / background checks to insure the law was held up to the standards we hold dear today, hence gravitating within the ranks the likes of possible terrorists looking to subvert an change the systems checks and balances we have / not to mention having all the information to plan and execute plots against our everyday common good citizens.