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AR-15 as a Sniper Weapon

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Doublethreat_max50

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Posted about 5 years ago

 

Hey All, Just curious about a subject I've read about.  Is there any of the Tac members here that use the AR-15 as a Sniper Rifle???  Sounds odd, but I read an article that stated that some consider using the AR-15 as a Sniper Rifle.  Not sure how true that is, maybe what they''re trying to say is the 5.56/.223 round for this purpose.  Thoughts, comments, feedback???  Take Very Good Care All and Be Safe Always.


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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Sorry, I have never heard of that.

Evil_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I have heard of AR10 but not an AR15.  I have heard of AR15 types as support weapons but the 5.56 rd has limited range and ballistic performance with barriers, ie: glass.


There are those that say semi cannot compete in accuracy with a bolt gun.  I lack the experience to say one way or the other.  I suspect it may not be the case due to advancing technology.


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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

With the right barrel and the right optics, the AR15 is a good choice for a tactical marksman weapon in LE. We rarely see true snipers in LE, sniper is more of a military term. I think what we use since our shots are generally 50-75m are tactical marksman. At distances of 100m or less, I see no problem at all with the AR in that role. If you want to equate the use to a military nature, Army and Marine designated marksmen have been known to use either the M4 or the M16 with the Trijicon ACOG optic (x4) to hit targets out to 3-500 meters.  A well trained police marksman should have no problem whatsoever with the AR15 in that role, especially if its a part time team and the budget isnt there.


Of course, if you CAN get a weapon such as a bolt action Savage Arms or Remington in .300WM or .308, go with that as you never know when you may have to take a 1-300m shot as part of an SRT unit.


Im sure many will disagree with me. Im going based on my own experiences in an urban setting in my first tour which was 100% in bagdad as a designated defensive marksman myself (weapon used is in my photos)

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

All my snipers were 308's. The entries were MP-5's and 870's. Now I am showing my age.

Doublethreat_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I have and will be using a DPMS SASS 7.62 NATO/.308 with a Falcon Menace 4-14x44 FFP scope that is mil/mil for the role as a sniper with our ERT.  As far as accuracy ...it shoots as accurate as a bolt gun round for round.  Like mentioned ...technology has come a long way.


I was curious if the AR-15 was used in the same capacity with some LEOs ...I wasn't sure???  Like mentioned also, the Military DM used the M16 as the primary weapon with the 5.56/.223 round.  Also used as the spotter's weapon or the M14.  Thinking about the article read, I think the debate was aimed more toward the use of the 5.56/.223 round as a sniper round.  I agree with what was said about the ballistics at long range and penetrating glass.  Closer Range ...pretty accurate shot placement ... if not having to shoot through a barrier.  Thanks for listening and for the info.  Take Good Care and Be Safe Always.


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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

The AR15 is a great Patrol Rifle. It could serve as a short range sniper rifle as long as it has some optics on it. Iron sights don't cut it for the role of a LE sniper. I'm not saying the .223, or the hotter load of the 5.56, can't take down a target at longer ranges. It can, but the military trains much more than LE snipers are allowed to. Bullet drop and especially wind drift are major issues with the lighter round at greater distances.. 


The advantage is the .223 round will usually remain inside of your target, unlike the .308. Years ago I would deploy with a Colt Elite 5.56 CAR (Colt Accurized Rifle) semi-auto with a 10x scope. My Sniper Team partner would deploy an SR25 (Knight's Armament) .308 semi-auto. Both of these semi-auto rifles are sub-MOA accurate.  If the suspect was between us and the Assault Team, we would deploy the .223. We wanted the round to remain in the suspect. Using the .308 created more troubles for us having the Assault Team to also worry about. The .308 will always exit your suspect, unless using a frangible round. We didn't have frangible rounds back then.


In resopnse to a post above, our Entry Team / Assualt Team deploys with M4s and a few still use MP5s.


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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

our sniper team uses .308's.  entry team first in is an mp-5.  i would feel more than comfortable taking a sniper shot with an ar-15.  like usual, to each their own.  if your taking the shot, be confident in what your using.


 


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