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I was just reading the local news and thought it interesting they are talking about overweight officers. They said one officer in nebraska put his partner in jepordy when he could not fit throug the door into a jewlery dealer.


 What are the views of people out there. Should you be able to be an officer if you are not in good physical shape?

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Overweight is one thing, morbidly obese is another.  I'm overweight and have some physical limitations, but I can still do my job.  I seldom see morbidly obese LEO's but there are a few.  So what is considered good shape?  Is age taken into account?   Our department uses a sliding scale to determine physical fitness.


Not being able to get through a doorway sounds like we're talking morbidly obese.  Was there a picture or any info on ht & wt of the officer?


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Video Shows Overweight Officer Struggle Through Door


I haven't had the nerve to actually click on the video, but I will now.




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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OMG--desk duty for you, dude!




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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wow that video is bad, that dude needs to lose some weight  he is not just over weight he is obese.  Most officers I know are in good physical shape.  I myself (who is actively applying) am overweight some, but I have given myself a good sustainable diet and a strict workout regimen and have lost a lot of weight.   Not that hard...at all 


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Weight is not an issue as long as you could do all the physical requirments of the job. I think anual physical examination should be a standard in all police departments.

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Weight is not an issue as long as you could do all the physical requirments of the job. I think anual physical examination should be a standard in all police departments.



Oh, no disagreement here. If you checked out the video, though, it's not that he's that overweight (he is, but I've seen worse), it's that he seems like he can't get through the lower pane of the door without seemingly wearing himself out to the point of exhaustion. That's not just bad for his partner, it means he could possibly have a myocardial infarction (heart attack) the next time he tries to tie his own shoes. I'm just saying that to make the point--not to be insulting. It's bad news.




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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That is pretty bad for officer safety in that situation. But what if you needed him to help hold someone down?


I've had that situation before.  There is pros and cons. 


Each agency must determine their requirements and comply with each State's requirements.


I cannot answer whether or not obesity itself is a determining factor.  You would have to make a decision based on the totality of the circumstances for each individual officer.

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That is pretty bad for officer safety in that situation. But what if you needed him to help hold someone down?


I've had that situation before.  There is pros and cons. 


Each agency must determine their requirements and comply with each State's requirements.


I cannot answer whether or not obesity itself is a determining factor.  You would have to make a decision based on the totality of the circumstances for each individual officer.



IMO, the obesity is an accompanying factor. I think the real issue is that his physical condition appears subpar. He looks like he's having trouble breathing when he tries to exert himself. He's not going to be able to hold the Olsen twins, let alone a real perp.




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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That is pretty bad for officer safety in that situation. But what if you needed him to help hold someone down?


I've had that situation before.  There is pros and cons. 


Each agency must determine their requirements and comply with each State's requirements.


I cannot answer whether or not obesity itself is a determining factor.  You would have to make a decision based on the totality of the circumstances for each individual officer.



IMO, the obesity is an accompanying factor. I think the real issue is that his physical condition appears subpar. He looks like he's having trouble breathing when he tries to exert himself. He's not going to be able to hold the Olsen twins, let alone a real perp.



mz66. Are you LE? I don't see the shield. Have you ever been in a LE situation with someone obese? If you are LE, Request restricted access. If not, how do you know whether or not he could hold down "the Olsen twins" or anyone else? Yes. His appearance is below par, but I'm amazed you can see his breathing in that video. I'm not an advocate for obesity in law enforcement, just stating the discriminatory factor of obesity alone will get you in trouble.

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mz66. Are you LE? I don't see the shield. Have you ever been in a LE situation with someone obese? If you are LE, Request restricted access. If not, how do you know whether or not he could hold down "the Olsen twins" or anyone else? Yes. His appearance is below par, but I'm amazed you can see his breathing in that video. I'm not an advocate for obesity in law enforcement, just stating the discriminatory factor of obesity alone will get you in trouble.



Whoa, whoa. First, my point was this wasn't about the obesity. The obesity is there and is probably related, but it is not the main factor. If you look at the video anyone can clearly see he tries to bend over SEVERAL times and then gets back up and appears to catch his breath (yes, I can see this). No, I am not LEO--but I am concerned for officer safety AND health.


I did not mean to imply that he couldn't make this right. He obviously needs to. I have a very dear friend who was in much the same physical shape and we were all very concerned for him because he has 3 kids and we were all worried he might not be around when they grew to adulthood.




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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Fair enough mz66.

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Sure wish they would post a video of an officer helping an old lady across the street.


How embarrasing...

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SO LET ME SAY THIS...AN OFFICER MAY BE INDANGER BECAUSE HIS PARTNER WAS TOO SHORT TO JUMP THE WALL......BEING OVERWEIGHT OF COURSE HAS MANY NEGATIVE FACTORS.....WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY HEALTH RISK FACTORS.....BEING OVERWEIGHT MAY MAKE AN OFFICER MORE EXPOSED TO HARDER DUTY PERFORMANCE. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS AS WELL IS "THE IMAGE". IF WE SEE SOMEONE OVERWEIGHT WE MAY ASSUME....SLOW AND SLOPPY....THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF HIM/HERSELF....IN ANOTHER ASPECT WHAT IF THIS OFFICER MAY HAVE A MEDICAL ISSUE? OF COURSE THIS IS A TOUCH SUBJECT. I LEARNED THAT IN CORRECTIONS OR IN ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT SETTING ONE MUST BE IN PHYSICAL, TIP TOP SHAPE. BELIEVE ME, YOU'LL BE WINDED AFTER SOME ASSWIPE PUTS UP A FIVE MINUTE FIST FIGHT. THIS IS FOR OFFICER SAFETY..AS WELL AS SAFETY FOR OTHERS...

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My fellow Texan has an excellent point.  Looks folks....law enforcement isnt the military, cops dont go on 15 mile humps, cops dont get up at o dark 30 for mandated PT 5 days a week, running 3-8 miles 3 times a week.


I myself have to pass PT tests for my military service, AND I like to hit the gym as much as possible and keep to a pretty much natural (nonprocessed) diet when it comes to food choices. HOWEVER...there is no reason why a cop has to be cosmetically beautiful for society to enjoy. A cop isnt there to pose for mens magazines...if the cop can handle himself in a fight, if he can shoot and make the shot when he needs to, if he has the wits to outthink perps on the streets....what is he doing wrong then? I could give a damn if a cop has a gun, a double chin, who cares? As long as he can kick ass when he needs to.


 


 

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My fellow Texan has an excellent point.  Looks folks....law enforcement isnt the military, cops dont go on 15 mile humps, cops dont get up at o dark 30 for mandated PT 5 days a week, running 3-8 miles 3 times a week.


I myself have to pass PT tests for my military service, AND I like to hit the gym as much as possible and keep to a pretty much natural (nonprocessed) diet when it comes to food choices. HOWEVER...there is no reason why a cop has to be cosmetically beautiful for society to enjoy. A cop isnt there to pose for mens magazines...if the cop can handle himself in a fight, if he can shoot and make the shot when he needs to, if he has the wits to outthink perps on the streets....what is he doing wrong then? I could give a damn if a cop has a gun, a double chin, who cares? As long as he can kick ass when he needs to.



Absolutely. I'm not talking about body sculpting, man. I'm talking about a little cardio-vascular / aerobic fitness so you aren't winded trying to duck through a window (or the broken lower pane of a glass door, as shown in the video). Also, so the man can see his grandkids graduate from high school.



 




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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obviously someone that obese needs to rethink either his job or his fitness for the job.


Obese and overweight are not the same. Thre are folks in the military who the military considers "overweight" by their standards who can run 2 miles in 13 mins, knock out 60 pushups and situps in 2 mins each.  Obese is a horse of a different color. Overweight...no prob. Obese...thats different. Id take the officer off the street and give him admin duties until he reduced the weight.


 

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obviously someone that obese needs to rethink either his job or his fitness for the job.


Obese and overweight are not the same. Thre are folks in the military who the military considers "overweight" by their standards who can run 2 miles in 13 mins, knock out 60 pushups and situps in 2 mins each.  Obese is a horse of a different color. Overweight...no prob. Obese...thats different. Id take the officer off the street and give him admin duties until he reduced the weight.


 



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OH SNAP!

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I was just reading the local news and thought it interesting they are talking about overweight officers. They said one officer in nebraska put his partner in jepordy when he could not fit throug the door into a jewlery dealer.


 What are the views of people out there. Should you be able to be an officer if you are not in good physical shape?



You must be physcaly fit to be a cop. I know here in rochester there is an adjility test to qualify.

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You must be physcaly fit to be a cop. I know here in rochester there is an adjility test to qualify.



Many agencies do have a physical agility test, but many do not.

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You must be physcaly fit to be a cop. I know here in rochester there is an adjility test to qualify.



Many agencies do have a physical agility test, but many do not.



 that is to get in, over just a few years (as short as 5)  i have seen officers gain a lot of weight.  SWAT has what like an agility test every 6 months, why not for full time or even reserves... if not 2 times a year aleast yearly... review time, etc.... 


if his partner was in trouble, what do you think would happen, and really, his partner should have waited for him.... bad officer safety. 

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Physical fitness is a part of our job. I know in my application when I applied its says lifting, crawling, crouching, chasing after people,  hurding over obsticles, etc etc... you get the point.


Either way, I think you can be "overweight" and still perform your job. But when it interfers your ability to perform then thats the issue. ESPECIALLY in the case of that video where it puts your partner in jepordy. If that officer cant even bend over, how does he jump over the walls to chase the guy who just murdered someone, or pull his fellow down officer to safety (or chase some one for that matter). I understand age and not beings as energetic as us younger people, Im only 23, but I have seen a many people in their 40's. and early 50's on SWAT teams... Are they special? Maybe, or maybe they just take care of themselves like EVERYONE should, not just LEO's. I hate knowing that america has the highest overweight population... we need to get out butts in gear and get back in shape.


Im NOT a physical fitness nut, but I am more active than most. I run 3 1/2 to 4 miles 2-3x a week and do light weights after the runs. Staying in shape in our job could mean saving your life.


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obviously someone that obese needs to rethink either his job or his fitness for the job.


Obese and overweight are not the same. Thre are folks in the military who the military considers "overweight" by their standards who can run 2 miles in 13 mins, knock out 60 pushups and situps in 2 mins each.  Obese is a horse of a different color. Overweight...no prob. Obese...thats different. Id take the officer off the street and give him admin duties until he reduced the weight.


 



That's what CID is for.................... OH! I opened a can of worms!!!!!



HEY!!! I work CID......I'm not overweight!!! 


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My thoughts on overweight cops.....everyone needs a little love ;-)


Seriously, it doesn't matter what division you work in, you need to be physically fit and able to SUCCESSFULLY perform ALL aspects of the job.


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This always struck me as extreme about the 500lb NYPD officer.... thats a BIG dude


www.nypost.com/seven/01172008/news/regionalnews/hes_biiig_blue_235952.htm


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I'm waiting for a reply from Cebass.......


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Thats just ridiculous


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GO CHIEF WIGGUM


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I can understand a Dept. wanting the best possible "person" for the job, but just because your over weight should not stop someone from becoming a Peace Offcier.  The height / weight requirment is BS.  If you can pass the PAT's then there should be no problems.  I was turned down by an agency just for being 1% over in body fat.

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