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I am in the process of trying to get on with 3 different departments in the St. Louis area. However it is very competitive due to the unemployment rate and the economy. My last option is to join the military. I have already taken the ASVAB and I scored very high so my options are open there. What do you guys think the pros and cons of joining the military are?

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It's a big commitment. It's not for the faint at heart, nor those that can't keep their promises.


But if you can make it in the military- you can for sure make a career in LE.


BTW a lot of departments like to hire prior service because LE is a para-military lifestyle.


DO YOUR RESEARCH- don't let a recruiter ran-sack you.


And it's true, sometimes I have to remember that too, at the very least- I am serving my country. Pride, Respect and Loyalty.


PS Pro of going Army- you won't get station at NAS Lemoore- lmao


 


 

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The Army Pros


It's not the Navy or the Airforce.  HAHAHA


Cons...I'll have to ponder that one I am drawing a blank.


Seriously tho ernswat is right not for the faint at heart.  Under no circumstances do you go in with an open contract.  Thats all my experiences can help. 


Most civil service agencies I know of do offer military preference to LE applicants.


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Marines do get cranky without there bottles and binkies...


and if you don't put them down for a nap- watch out...


Army... welll, my dad was in the Army. yeeeaaaahhhhh. uuummmmm. Alright choice I guess.


Air Force- no comment. lmao. I love my wingman. hahahahahaha


Coastie are always a good time.


I'm quite fond of the Navy... most days at least.

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The only "Con" I can think of is that once you enlist, you can be deployed anywhere the Boss says so, so if your personal politics don't agree with something like oh, the Gulf deployments, too bad you can't refuse to go...


If your options are wide open as you say from the ASVAB scores... find something that you can transfer to in the civillian world other than MP, would be my suggestion. 


WHY?  I'm glad you asked.  First of all, even if you serve a 20 yr hitch in the military and then become a cop, the more education you have the better off you'll be.  Second, the reality is that sh*t happens.  What if you are forced to leave the military due to some unthinkable injury? If that happens chances are that you won't be able to become a LEO...so a "plan B" is a good idea...


I'm not suggesting that you will fail, gods, I hope not, but just like not applying to only 1 PD, don't put all your eggs in 1 basket.


I know of what I speak, I went USAF Security Police, spent many years doing Security, then a few years as a Cop, now post tragedy I have very few marketable skills and am currently unemployed....and having the dickens of a time finding a job <sigh>.


Just my .02cents your mileage and opinion may vary...


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o yea I found a con........Its not the Marine Corps


That is what I want to join, but I am too old at 31!


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My thinking is right along with you guys! Just waiting to hear back to see if I got a LEO slot and if not I am headed to the army to serve my country which I have a strong desire to do! I am not looking to serve 4 years and get out...I want to retire military or LEO!

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I say go for it. Police agencies like former military personnel due to the structure and discipline. Example my son could not get it together and is a career soldier (U.S. Army-12 year veteran) and is doing very well. The down side you go where they assign you.

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I say go for it. Police agencies like former military personnel due to the structure and discipline. Example my son could not get it together and is a career soldier (U.S. Army-12 year veteran) and is doing very well. The down side you go where they assign you.


Yes I agree. If I do it is for the long haul! Not a short term thing. I should know here in the next couple weeks if I get hired by a department and if I don't I am off to the Army!


 


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Mags,


          There are many questions, personal questions, you need to sit down and ask yourself. Way the options that are available to you and what you want out of life. Joining the military can be a stepping stone for your civilain carrer, but dont join for those reasons alone. I will add this, I joined the Army 5 years and deployed to Iraq in 06, worked side by side with the Corps doing some pretty awesome sh*t, but I also lost 3 friends at the same time and did some things that will be with me for the rest of my time, its ok though, I can live with them like many of us do. You have to ask yourself if your ready to take another life if you are, join the Army of the Corps and live the life....its a good one by the way.  

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Mags,


          There are many questions, personal questions, you need to sit down and ask yourself. Way the options that are available to you and what you want out of life. Joining the military can be a stepping stone for your civilain carrer, but dont join for those reasons alone. I will add this, I joined the Army 5 years and deployed to Iraq in 06, worked side by side with the Corps doing some pretty awesome sh*t, but I also lost 3 friends at the same time and did some things that will be with me for the rest of my time, its ok though, I can live with them like many of us do. You have to ask yourself if your ready to take another life if you are, join the Army of the Corps and live the life....its a good one by the way.  


Thanks for the reply. I have sat down many many times and I would not join for a stepping stone for a civilian career. If I do get a LEO job or I join the Army it will be for a career! What do you think a good MOS would be since I have such a strong interest in Law Enforcement? My recruiter reccomended going into intelligence first and then MP. What do you think?


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o yea I found a con........Its not the Marine Corps


That is what I want to join, but I am too old at 31!




The marines are a frierce fighting force no doubt.  BUT, and I know shock will be beside himself about this, The other services offer more in the way of advancement, and a bigger variety of MOS opertunities.  Technology is the future.  The USAF, and USN both have very strong technology career paths aailable.  The Army does as well but not quite as advance.   Thats not to say that the Marines don't have tech opertunities.  They just have fewer available then the USAF and USN.



 


Yea if u wanna be a POG I guesss........screw technology, real men do infantry



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Let em make it Shock, down boy


When asked about carrying in Church..

"I work in God's office as an environmental cop. If God doesn't mind me carrying in the office I don't see a problem with carrying in any of His houses"

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o yea I found a con........Its not the Marine Corps


That is what I want to join, but I am too old at 31!




 


No ur not.....I had guys with me in infantry school who were 35


Its harder to get into the Marines though than any other branch.....were a lil more picky


 


Well I am a little confused then. Maybe I should talk to a recruiter, butI was under the inpression I was too old.


http://www.marines.com/main/index/making_marines/eligibility/enlisted


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Howdy Ryan,


 


It is a important choice which service to join.  As Shock says there is no Con to serving your country.   Each service has its own challenges.  The Marine Corps are the toughest and hardest to get into. But if that is what you want then do for it!   Both the Army and Marine Corps are doing the biggest share of the fighting.  You will be deployed overseas for up to one year.  The Air Force has the Security Forces which serve as the law enforcement for that service.  You may also consider the Coast Guard.  Out of all the services the Coast Guard does law enforcement work as one of its duties.  The Navy has the Master at Arms rating which is the Navy's Police.  But you have to attain a certain rate to become one.  You have 5 choices Ryan.  Plus you can choose the Reserves for each service, the Army or Air National Guard.  Think, pray and choose wisley.

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Howdy Ryan,


 


It is a important choice which service to join.  As Shock says there is no Con to serving your country.   Each service has its own challenges.  The Marine Corps are the toughest and hardest to get into. But if that is what you want then do for it!   Both the Army and Marine Corps are doing the biggest share of the fighting.  You will be deployed overseas for up to one year.  The Air Force has the Security Forces which serve as the law enforcement for that service.  You may also consider the Coast Guard.  Out of all the services the Coast Guard does law enforcement work as one of its duties.  The Navy has the Master at Arms rating which is the Navy's Police.  But you have to attain a certain rate to become one.  You have 5 choices Ryan.  Plus you can choose the Reserves for each service, the Army or Air National Guard.  Think, pray and choose wisley.



Thanks I appreciate the info. I want to stay into some kind of Law Enforcement so that is why I am considering the Army. I have left a message for a recruiter for the Air Force as I guess I never even thought about them. I am looking into the Coast Guard as we speak! Again thanks for the advice. I am sure I will land something here very very soon!

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Howdy Ryan,


Very good!  Please keep us advised of your choice.  Good luck and God bless you!


 


Dan


 


 


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Howdy Ryan,


 


It is a important choice which service to join.  As Shock says there is no Con to serving your country.   Each service has its own challenges.  The Marine Corps are the toughest and hardest to get into. But if that is what you want then go for it!   Both the Army and Marine Corps are doing the biggest share of the fighting.  You will be deployed overseas for up to one year.  The Air Force has the Security Forces which serve as the law enforcement for that service.  You may also consider the Coast Guard.  Out of all the services the Coast Guard does law enforcement work as one of its duties.  The Navy has the Master at Arms rating which is the Navy's Police.  But you have to attain a certain rate to become one.  You have 5 choices Ryan.  Plus you can choose the Reserves for each service, the Army or Air National Guard.  Think, pray and choose wisley.



Thanks I appreciate the info. I want to stay into some kind of Law Enforcement so that is why I am considering the Army. I have left a message for a recruiter for the Air Force as I guess I never even thought about them. I am looking into the Coast Guard as we speak! Again thanks for the advice. I am sure I will land something here very very soon!


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Update: I am to old for the Air Force and the Coast Guard. Still waiting to hear back from the Marines, but I think I am to old. So it looks like either I get hired as a LEO which I should know very soon or it is the Army! Thanks for everyones replies I appreciate them and god bless!

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Mags-


I joined the Army in 1971.  I have no regrets at all about doing that.  At the time it was the perfect way to get into law enforcement.  Much has changed since then.  HOWEVER, there are (in my opinion) no real cons to military service.  Personally, when we hire I look first for vets-it makes no real difference to me which branch.  I have stepsons in the Army and Marines, Georgia, Japan, and Iraq, with a stepdaughter trying for the Air Force.  You will certainly get training that will be right up there for law enforcement, no matter what branch you take.


GOOD LUCK!


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If you join the Army, do it because you want to be a Soldier...if you dont go into it with that mindset, its going to royally suck. At your age, you will not like the Army...keep that in mind...for 30+ years you have been living life as you have wanted to. From the time you step off that bus at reception batallion and that drill sergeant starts yelling at you, you are going to be 100% aware that you are now property of the U.S. Army.  And thats as good as its going to get for 18+ weeks.  Depending on what mos you go into, your initial entry training can be anywhere from 14 weeks (infantry) to a year and a half (interrorgator). 


Understand that military police in the past are not the military police of today...much in the same way that the 101st Airborne Division used to be paratroopers...they are no longer, they are air assault.  military police are a field maneuver unit now. They specialize in route security, military operations in urban terrain, detainee operations, and all around battlefield security. The best  way to describe them are "security Soldiers."


If you join, do something that you cannot do in the civilian world...be a Cavalry Scout ,be an infantryman, be an artilleryman and put steel on target, get a TS clearance and be a counterintelligence agent, etc etc.


Dont go in to be a cook or a mechanic...etc etc. Do something hooah, that will put you in an "Band of Brothers" type environment.

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If you join the Army, do it because you want to be a Soldier...if you dont go into it with that mindset, its going to royally suck. At your age, you will not like the Army...keep that in mind...for 30+ years you have been living life as you have wanted to. From the time you step off that bus at reception batallion and that drill sergeant starts yelling at you, you are going to be 100% aware that you are now property of the U.S. Army.  And thats as good as its going to get for 18+ weeks.  Depending on what mos you go into, your initial entry training can be anywhere from 14 weeks (infantry) to a year and a half (interrorgator). 


Understand that military police in the past are not the military police of today...much in the same way that the 101st Airborne Division used to be paratroopers...they are no longer, they are air assault.  military police are a field maneuver unit now. They specialize in route security, military operations in urban terrain, detainee operations, and all around battlefield security. The best  way to describe them are "security Soldiers."


If you join, do something that you cannot do in the civilian world...be a Cavalry Scout ,be an infantryman, be an artilleryman and put steel on target, get a TS clearance and be a counterintelligence agent, etc etc.


Dont go in to be a cook or a mechanic...etc etc. Do something hooah, that will put you in an "Band of Brothers" type environment.


 


Thanks for the insight! I wouldn't join if I didn't want to be a soldier that is for sure! I am aware that my life and my lifestyle would change and that is exactly what I want! Interesting you brought up counterintelligence because that is what my recruiter recommended to me!


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Oh by the way...there are many cons...military service is generally not enjoyable. Thats why they make you sign a contract. Being enlisted in the Army royally sucks.  There will be times when you will sleep out in nature for days on end, no showers, no bathrooms, youll go on long 15 mile road marches in full battle rattle, get up at 0'dark 30 to do grueling PT...etc etc.  Dont let anyone sweeten it up for you....most of your time in the Army, you will not enjoy.


However, I would not change my service for anything.


Think about what you want to do, where you want to go, if you want full active service or Reserve or Guard service (there are active positions in the Guard and Reserve).  All 5 of the branches have their own unique role and none is "better" or "worse" than the other. I could sit here and name 10 things better about one branch than the other 4, and whats worse.

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If you join the Army, do it because you want to be a Soldier...if you dont go into it with that mindset, its going to royally suck. At your age, you will not like the Army...keep that in mind...for 30+ years you have been living life as you have wanted to. From the time you step off that bus at reception batallion and that drill sergeant starts yelling at you, you are going to be 100% aware that you are now property of the U.S. Army.  And thats as good as its going to get for 18+ weeks.  Depending on what mos you go into, your initial entry training can be anywhere from 14 weeks (infantry) to a year and a half (interrorgator). 


Understand that military police in the past are not the military police of today...much in the same way that the 101st Airborne Division used to be paratroopers...they are no longer, they are air assault.  military police are a field maneuver unit now. They specialize in route security, military operations in urban terrain, detainee operations, and all around battlefield security. The best  way to describe them are "security Soldiers."


If you join, do something that you cannot do in the civilian world...be a Cavalry Scout ,be an infantryman, be an artilleryman and put steel on target, get a TS clearance and be a counterintelligence agent, etc etc.


Dont go in to be a cook or a mechanic...etc etc. Do something hooah, that will put you in an "Band of Brothers" type environment.


 


Thanks for the insight! I wouldn't join if I didn't want to be a soldier that is for sure! I am aware that my life and my lifestyle would change and that is exactly what I want! Interesting you brought up counterintelligence because that is what my recruiter recommended to me!




If you get offered that after your ASVAB scores and you can attain a TS clearance (grueling 10 year background investigation by the DoD) then take it...youll be in training for well over a year for that job, but that is one of the sweetest jobs in the Army. Those guys operate in civilian clothes in Iraq and Afghanistan, they grow their hair long, have beards, work closely with FBI and OGA (Other Govenment Agencies) in country...using techniques such as informants from the local population..etc etc.  That is a very special MOS and it opens the door to federal level law enforcement and intelligence when you get out.

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If you join the Army, do it because you want to be a Soldier...if you dont go into it with that mindset, its going to royally suck. At your age, you will not like the Army...keep that in mind...for 30+ years you have been living life as you have wanted to. From the time you step off that bus at reception batallion and that drill sergeant starts yelling at you, you are going to be 100% aware that you are now property of the U.S. Army.  And thats as good as its going to get for 18+ weeks.  Depending on what mos you go into, your initial entry training can be anywhere from 14 weeks (infantry) to a year and a half (interrorgator). 


Understand that military police in the past are not the military police of today...much in the same way that the 101st Airborne Division used to be paratroopers...they are no longer, they are air assault.  military police are a field maneuver unit now. They specialize in route security, military operations in urban terrain, detainee operations, and all around battlefield security. The best  way to describe them are "security Soldiers."


If you join, do something that you cannot do in the civilian world...be a Cavalry Scout ,be an infantryman, be an artilleryman and put steel on target, get a TS clearance and be a counterintelligence agent, etc etc.


Dont go in to be a cook or a mechanic...etc etc. Do something hooah, that will put you in an "Band of Brothers" type environment.


 


Thanks for the insight! I wouldn't join if I didn't want to be a soldier that is for sure! I am aware that my life and my lifestyle would change and that is exactly what I want! Interesting you brought up counterintelligence because that is what my recruiter recommended to me!




If you get offered that after your ASVAB scores and you can attain a TS clearance (grueling 10 year background investigation by the DoD) then take it...youll be in training for well over a year for that job, but that is one of the sweetest jobs in the Army. Those guys operate in civilian clothes in Iraq and Afghanistan, they grow their hair long, have beards, work closely with FBI and OGA (Other Govenment Agencies) in country...using techniques such as informants from the local population..etc etc.  That is a very special MOS and it opens the door to federal level law enforcement and intelligence when you get out.



WOW!!! That sounds like a MOS I would love!

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Dont, join! Trust me I did the whole army thing for over four years. Two deployments one 16 months. the other 12 month, its sucks. They control all aspects of your life. Big Brother 24/7.

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I am in the process of trying to get on with 3 different departments in the St. Louis area. However it is very competitive due to the unemployment rate and the economy. My last option is to join the military. I have already taken the ASVAB and I scored very high so my options are open there. What do you guys think the pros and cons of joining the military are?



There are very few cons as far as I'm concerned. I will take issue with it being your "last option." The Army is not a place for people who have nothing better to do. Lives are on the line and if you aren't backing me (or any of your fellow soldiers) up 100%, well do I want to share a foxhole, vehicle or formation with you? Also, if you aren't motivated to be there (the "I didn't have anything else" syndrome) then you are going to hate it big time and be very unhappy. I will always tell someone to join, but do so for the right reasons. Good luck no matter what you do.


 

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I am in the process of trying to get on with 3 different departments in the St. Louis area. However it is very competitive due to the unemployment rate and the economy. My last option is to join the military. I have already taken the ASVAB and I scored very high so my options are open there. What do you guys think the pros and cons of joining the military are?



There are very few cons as far as I'm concerned. I will take issue with it being your "last option." The Army is not a place for people who have nothing better to do. Lives are on the line and if you aren't backing me (or any of your fellow soldiers) up 100%, well do I want to share a foxhole, vehicle or formation with you? Also, if you aren't motivated to be there (the "I didn't have anything else" syndrome) then you are going to hate it big time and be very unhappy. I will always tell someone to join, but do so for the right reasons. Good luck no matter what you do.


 Maybe I shoud of rephrased when I wrote that. I am trying to get on as a LEO here locally first. I WANT without a doubt to join the military, but I have a  5 year old son and that is why I am trying to stay local. I don't have nothing else to do as I currently have a great paying job(over 100k/yr), but I hate it and it is not my passion. Someone that is willing to take a HUGE pay cut and fight for his country when he doesn't have to, but WANTS to be a soldier in my opinion that is who I would want by myside!


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I am in the process of trying to get on with 3 different departments in the St. Louis area. However it is very competitive due to the unemployment rate and the economy. My last option is to join the military. I have already taken the ASVAB and I scored very high so my options are open there. What do you guys think the pros and cons of joining the military are?



There are very few cons as far as I'm concerned. I will take issue with it being your "last option." The Army is not a place for people who have nothing better to do. Lives are on the line and if you aren't backing me (or any of your fellow soldiers) up 100%, well do I want to share a foxhole, vehicle or formation with you? Also, if you aren't motivated to be there (the "I didn't have anything else" syndrome) then you are going to hate it big time and be very unhappy. I will always tell someone to join, but do so for the right reasons. Good luck no matter what you do.


 Maybe I shoud of rephrased when I wrote that. I am trying to get on as a LEO here locally first. I WANT without a doubt to join the military, but I have a  5 year old son and that is why I am trying to stay local. I don't have nothing else to do as I currently have a great paying job(over 100k/yr), but I hate it and it is not my passion. Someone that is willing to take a HUGE pay cut and fight for his country when he doesn't have to, but WANTS to be a soldier in my opinion that is who I would want by myside!




Understand that you are going to be treated like the lowest form of life on earth for your entire duration in the military. And since you say you make over a bill a year, that may create actual psychological issues adjusting to getting treated like youre less than a homeless person....make sure youre seeing the bigger picture of military service. It is NOT enjoyable most of the time.


Perhaps you should join the Guard or Reserves at first...so you can see if you actually like it. And then if you do, go active duty later.

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I am in the process of trying to get on with 3 different departments in the St. Louis area. However it is very competitive due to the unemployment rate and the economy. My last option is to join the military. I have already taken the ASVAB and I scored very high so my options are open there. What do you guys think the pros and cons of joining the military are?



There are very few cons as far as I'm concerned. I will take issue with it being your "last option." The Army is not a place for people who have nothing better to do. Lives are on the line and if you aren't backing me (or any of your fellow soldiers) up 100%, well do I want to share a foxhole, vehicle or formation with you? Also, if you aren't motivated to be there (the "I didn't have anything else" syndrome) then you are going to hate it big time and be very unhappy. I will always tell someone to join, but do so for the right reasons. Good luck no matter what you do.


 Maybe I shoud of rephrased when I wrote that. I am trying to get on as a LEO here locally first. I WANT without a doubt to join the military, but I have a  5 year old son and that is why I am trying to stay local. I don't have nothing else to do as I currently have a great paying job(over 100k/yr), but I hate it and it is not my passion. Someone that is willing to take a HUGE pay cut and fight for his country when he doesn't have to, but WANTS to be a soldier in my opinion that is who I would want by myside!




Understand that you are going to be treated like the lowest form of life on earth for your entire duration in the military. And since you say you make over a bill a year, that may create actual psychological issues adjusting to getting treated like youre less than a homeless person....make sure youre seeing the bigger picture of military service. It is NOT enjoyable most of the time.


Perhaps you should join the Guard or Reserves at first...so you can see if you actually like it. And then if you do, go active duty later.


Oh I have heard this as my soon to be father in law is a retired Marine! That doesn't bother me at all! I have thought about joining the guard first to see if I like it. Again still waiting locally....I may be getting on for St. Louis city.


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