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Are there any Departments in the US that don't require you to be a US Citizen to join or who might be willing to sponsor a foreign national (with current law enforcement experience) to take up a position as a patrol officer?


 


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I know in the state of Hawaii, you don't have to be a citizen. But you do have to be a permanent resident alien.

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ewwww.....thats a tough one. I know all departments in the state of indiana have that as one of their top 3 questions on a pre-application....to my knowledge 90 percent of all departments require this......but i think you should chefck with the department in question for 100 percent clarity...


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Generally speaking, you must be a US citizen to be the police. There may be an exception here or there, but like Nick said, you should check with a specific agency.


The world of law enforcement can be confusing, I think. Each state has its own set of laws. Then you have county agencies (i.e., sheriffs) who have different rules and regulations. Then you have different cities, each with their own set of rules, regulations, and municipal codes.


But back to the question of hiring: unfortunately, you'll have to do a lot of gruntwork to find out which ones will hire you, and which ones won't.


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I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).

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I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


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Correct Man......I agree with SeanJon......you should do this for the love and protection of the country and your community. .....not just for the job and power.....its a lot of respondsibility.....remember this is a lifestyle choice......not just a 9 to 5 bud! : )


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I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


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 BUMP, SeanJohn.  TexasSecurityOfficer: if I understand this correctly, you came to the States only to apply for citizenship to become an LEO. That sum it up? Guess my question would be, why here? Is there any particular reason you wouldn't be able to get an LEO position in your country of origin? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making a better life for yourself. That's what the U.S. is all about. Just curious what drew you here?


And like Nick_Durr said, this isn't a 9-5 thing. It's not a way to make a living. It becomes a way you live your life and quickly becomes your lifestyle. Incidentally, our work clock runs 24/7.


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I really would not want non-citizens patrolling our streets with weapons and access to all sorts of places.  Just too great a potential for misuse and abuse in my mind.


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I really would not want non-citizens patrolling our streets with weapons and access to all sorts of places.  Just too great a potential for misuse and abuse in my mind.



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I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


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I do understand your point completely. But do you know how much money and time it takes to become a citizen? Yes you could ask, "why would you NOT take the obligation and responsibility to become a citizen if you were willing to take the responsibility to be a LEO?" But being in this country as a permanent resident myself, I wouldn't become a citizen either if Utah POST didn't require one. Going through the naaturalization just because you want to become a LEO shows how bad you want the job.

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Oh and the reason why I want to become a LEO in US and not Japan, (my country of origin) is because they have the best LEO. YOu really cannot stay on the force here if you didn't get in for right reason. The system makes so much more sense to me here.

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SeanJon says ...



TexasSecurityOfficer says ...



I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


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I do understand your point completely. But do you know how much money and time it takes to become a citizen? Yes you could ask, "why would you NOT take the obligation and responsibility to become a citizen if you were willing to take the responsibility to be a LEO?" But being in this country as a permanent resident myself, I wouldn't become a citizen either if Utah POST didn't require one. Going through the naaturalization just because you want to become a LEO shows how bad you want the job.



I just don't get why you would want a job protecting people's liberties and freedoms if you don't want to be a citizen of the USA. What reason would you have to be in law enforcement if you don't want to be a citizen of the country that is making the laws? That just doesn't make sense to me. I wouldn't care how much you want to become a LEO, if you don't want to be a citizen of the USA, I would not hire you.


I don't know if I am being petty or not, but I love my country and want to serve and protect the people in it. That is why I am in LE. If there are any other reasons why you want to get in LE, you should reconsider.

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kenjihara123 says ...



SeanJon says ...



TexasSecurityOfficer says ...



I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


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I do understand your point completely. But do you know how much money and time it takes to become a citizen? Yes you could ask, "why would you NOT take the obligation and responsibility to become a citizen if you were willing to take the responsibility to be a LEO?" But being in this country as a permanent resident myself, I wouldn't become a citizen either if Utah POST didn't require one. Going through the naaturalization just because you want to become a LEO shows how bad you want the job.



Of course I know how much it costs to become a citizen. In addition to my LE duties I'm also a certified immigration officer. But I am sorry, you're talking to the wrong person about money and time. I know about the costs that were made to establish and keep our freedom in this country so complaining about how much money it costs to obtain citizenship seems pointless to me.


This isn't just about how bad you want the job. This has to do with being a good citizen. This has to do with being someone who is willing to share the benefits AND the burden of citizenship. Freedom isn't free. I'm sure you have heard that before but these things are worth repeating.


People should gain their citizenship for more reasons than simply a job. Likewise, a person should become a police officer for the right reasons, not just for the money or so they can look cool (AKA "SWATed out/tactical, as TexasSecurityOfficer stated in another post). You don't run into a burning building because you think you'll get a medal. You do it because there is someone in there that needs help. Citizenship comes with a set of obligations beyond paying your taxes. Being a true LEO means taking on a whole new set of obligations beyond what many people realize. If you aren't ready and willing to accept those obligations of citizenship for the right reasons, how can you justify being a LEO???


I'm sorry but if you immigrate to this country, then take on all of the responsibilities. Myself and many others have a problem with those that benefit from living here but sit on the sidelines. Those that don't bother to take the final step until they need to get off their butts simply because it will further their personal goals.


Maybe you guys just don't get it. BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IS MORE THAN JUST A JOB OPPORTUNITY!


You just admitted that you are happy to come here, live among us, take advantage of all that we have to offer, but you wouldn't want to be an American if the job did not require it because of the time and money required? 


Wow, you just don't get it do you? Totally clueless.


 


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I do understand your point completely. But do you know how much money and time it takes to become a citizen? Yes you could ask, "why would you NOT take the obligation and responsibility to become a citizen if you were willing to take the responsibility to be a LEO?" But being in this country as a permanent resident myself, I wouldn't become a citizen either if Utah POST didn't require one. Going through the naaturalization just because you want to become a LEO shows how bad you want the job.



I just don't get why you would want a job protecting people's liberties and freedoms if you don't want to be a citizen of the USA. What reason would you have to be in law enforcement if you don't want to be a citizen of the country that is making the laws? That just doesn't make sense to me. I wouldn't care how much you want to become a LEO, if you don't want to be a citizen of the USA, I would not hire you.


I don't know if I am being petty or not, but I love my country and want to serve and protect the people in it. That is why I am in LE. If there are any other reasons why you want to get in LE, you should reconsider.



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You too, SeanJon

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SeanJon says ...



kenjihara123 says ...



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TexasSecurityOfficer says ...



I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


 BTW, you are also supposed to post an introduction in the "Introductions" section before participating in the rest of the forums. Please do so. It helps the membership in getting to know you.



 


 


I do understand your point completely. But do you know how much money and time it takes to become a citizen? Yes you could ask, "why would you NOT take the obligation and responsibility to become a citizen if you were willing to take the responsibility to be a LEO?" But being in this country as a permanent resident myself, I wouldn't become a citizen either if Utah POST didn't require one. Going through the naaturalization just because you want to become a LEO shows how bad you want the job.



Of course I know how much it costs to become a citizen. In addition to my LE duties I'm also a certified immigration officer. But I am sorry, you're talking to the wrong person about money and time. I know about the costs that were made to establish and keep our freedom in this country so complaining about how much money it costs to obtain citizenship seems pointless to me.


This isn't just about how bad you want the job. This has to do with being a good citizen. This has to do with being someone who is willing to share the benefits AND the burden of citizenship. Freedom isn't free. I'm sure you have heard that before but these things are worth repeating.


People should gain their citizenship for more reasons than simply a job. Likewise, a person should become a police officer for the right reasons, not just for the money or so they can look cool (AKA "SWATed out/tactical, as TexasSecurityOfficer stated in another post). You don't run into a burning building because you think you'll get a medal. You do it because there is someone in there that needs help. Citizenship comes with a set of obligations beyond paying your taxes. Being a true LEO means taking on a whole new set of obligations beyond what many people realize. If you aren't ready and willing to accept those obligations of citizenship for the right reasons, how can you justify being a LEO???


I'm sorry but if you immigrate to this country, then take on all of the responsibilities. Myself and many others have a problem with those that benefit from living here but sit on the sidelines. Those that don't bother to take the final step until they need to get off their butts simply because it will further their personal goals.


Maybe you guys just don't get it. BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IS MORE THAN JUST A JOB OPPORTUNITY!


You just admitted that you are happy to come here, live among us, take advantage of all that we have to offer, but you wouldn't want to be an American if the job did not require it because of the time and money required? 


Wow, you just don't get it do you? Totally clueless.


 


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ok sorry I havent replied,I was unaware I had so many posts in regards to my comment. Ok well for starters I will say yes true enough that was my only reason for being a citizen at that time being.Perhaps my lack of maturity or understanding what it meant to be a true U.S citizen true enough. But stepping into the academy ready to start my 1st day and being turned around because of my immigration status really set me back.Excuse me if im not doing for the diplomatic reasons you expected me to say.My ignorance led me to believe that since Ive been in the U.S since atleast 6 weeks old I never knew anything about the citizenship process let alone TECLEOSE's requirements to have it.Regardless of how you all may feel about my comment,it doesnt change the fact that I am aiming to be a LEO.I was fine with being a permanent resident because Its never been an issue for me to get hired on anywhere,my immigration status has never once been brought up to me in all my 23 yrs of living untill wanting to be a LEO(besides job applications etc minor stuff).

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I am currently a U.S citizen now,does this make you feel more comfortable?I would hope not


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Thanks Sean BTW, I have to agree with Ret, Sean, Tim, and schlutzy............as a citizen of the US...........I would not want anyone to be able to have the position in LE and able to utilize weaponary without being a US CITIZEN.  I could go into far more of an argument ie, anchor babies, using Emergency Room facilities at US taxpayer's expense, and on and on, but, I will just leave it at that since this is an LE thread.


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And yes I do agree with you.And I do have my reasons for why I want to be a LEO,I dont have to express them to you to prove that,you assume that my reasons are limited to just wanting to be a LEO.Although that is all I mentioned I didnt think it would have grabbed so much attention otherwise I would have elaborated more


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kenjihara123 says ...



SeanJon says ...



TexasSecurityOfficer says ...



I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


 BTW, you are also supposed to post an introduction in the "Introductions" section before participating in the rest of the forums. Please do so. It helps the membership in getting to know you.



 


 


I do understand your point completely. But do you know how much money and time it takes to become a citizen? Yes you could ask, "why would you NOT take the obligation and responsibility to become a citizen if you were willing to take the responsibility to be a LEO?" But being in this country as a permanent resident myself, I wouldn't become a citizen either if Utah POST didn't require one. Going through the naaturalization just because you want to become a LEO shows how bad you want the job.



Of course I know how much it costs to become a citizen. In addition to my LE duties I'm also a certified immigration officer. But I am sorry, you're talking to the wrong person about money and time. I know about the costs that were made to establish and keep our freedom in this country so complaining about how much money it costs to obtain citizenship seems pointless to me.


This isn't just about how bad you want the job. This has to do with being a good citizen. This has to do with being someone who is willing to share the benefits AND the burden of citizenship. Freedom isn't free. I'm sure you have heard that before but these things are worth repeating.


People should gain their citizenship for more reasons than simply a job. Likewise, a person should become a police officer for the right reasons, not just for the money or so they can look cool (AKA "SWATed out/tactical, as TexasSecurityOfficer stated in another post). You don't run into a burning building because you think you'll get a medal. You do it because there is someone in there that needs help. Citizenship comes with a set of obligations beyond paying your taxes. Being a true LEO means taking on a whole new set of obligations beyond what many people realize. If you aren't ready and willing to accept those obligations of citizenship for the right reasons, how can you justify being a LEO???


I'm sorry but if you immigrate to this country, then take on all of the responsibilities. Myself and many others have a problem with those that benefit from living here but sit on the sidelines. Those that don't bother to take the final step until they need to get off their butts simply because it will further their personal goals.


Maybe you guys just don't get it. BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IS MORE THAN JUST A JOB OPPORTUNITY!


You just admitted that you are happy to come here, live among us, take advantage of all that we have to offer, but you wouldn't want to be an American if the job did not require it because of the time and money required? 


Wow, you just don't get it do you? Totally clueless.


 


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Well Sir,I understand completely and respect your opinion on the matter,but as a permanent resident and a Security Officer I already had access to weapons and areas that most citizens do not. And I havent abused or misused any of that


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I really would not want non-citizens patrolling our streets with weapons and access to all sorts of places.  Just too great a potential for misuse and abuse in my mind.


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Sir excuse my ignorance if I dont know what a LAPR is... my intro was posted long ago,I had to remake my account.my apologies


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I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


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and I apologize to all for how my words came about. When I said *ONLY reason*But if you understood where my mind was at the time,you'd better understand why I said it the way I said it.I learned much more as I was at my interview and taking my test for naturalization.Again from someone who knew nothing about U.S citizenship and its true meaning,you cant expect me to have a better reason for wanting naturalization when I didnt even understand it at the time.Perhaps thats my own fault but dont be so quick to judge without taking the time to ask.Just my 2cents.I respect all of your opinions tho,stay safe

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Sir excuse my ignorance if I dont know what a LAPR is... my intro was posted long ago,I had to remake my account.my apologies


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TexasSecurityOfficer says ...



I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


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A LAPR is a Legally Admitted Permanent Resident. Since you apparently were one for so many years, I assumed that you would know what it was.

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and I apologize to all for how my words came about. When I said *ONLY reason*But if you understood where my mind was at the time,you'd better understand why I said it the way I said it.I learned much more as I was at my interview and taking my test for naturalization.Again from someone who knew nothing about U.S citizenship and its true meaning,you cant expect me to have a better reason for wanting naturalization when I didnt even understand it at the time.Perhaps thats my own fault but dont be so quick to judge without taking the time to ask.Just my 2cents.I respect all of your opinions tho,stay safe



So on the one hand you acknowledge that you came off poorly, but then admonish us for rushing to judgment?


You went to the academy and were turned away because of your status? Okay, the first thing you have to do if you want to get into LE is accept responsibility for your own actions. You should not have been there to begin with. Frankly, it wasted everyone's time. Yours, theirs and whoever was eligible but didn't go because you took their seat.


If you were set back because of that, who was ultimately responsible for the situation? Or did you think that you would simply slip through the cracks? If so, I would have serious doubts about your integrity. If not, then your attention to detail is lacking.


I'm glad you followed through and got your citizenship. I hope you truly understand what it means. You seem to suggest that your eyes are more open now. I hope so.


I assume that you are going to reapply. If you do, be honest about what happened the first time around, no matter what agency you apply to.

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no actually I never applied to begin with,nor was I ever turned away.I took the time to sit and read the packet thoroughly before sighning anything and one of the requirements said "Must be a U.S citizen". That caught my eye and I asked the recruiter about it,She actually offered to fax my documents to T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E and ask if it was possible.I chose to decline and walk away myself until I got that situated because I didnt want anymore set backs later because of it.So I took no one's seat even tho I would have been admitted still,the only thing is I wouldnt have got to take my state exam once everything came to light.This much I know already trust me I'm not trying to find any loop holes of such,everything I've done has been on my own and through my own hard work a loop hole would make me feel like I didnt earn my position.But yeah I do have a better understanding of it,perhaps not to the full extent yet,but better nonetheless.I admit I learned about my status very late in life,but better late than never I always say


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and I apologize to all for how my words came about. When I said *ONLY reason*But if you understood where my mind was at the time,you'd better understand why I said it the way I said it.I learned much more as I was at my interview and taking my test for naturalization.Again from someone who knew nothing about U.S citizenship and its true meaning,you cant expect me to have a better reason for wanting naturalization when I didnt even understand it at the time.Perhaps thats my own fault but dont be so quick to judge without taking the time to ask.Just my 2cents.I respect all of your opinions tho,stay safe



So on the one hand you acknowledge that you came off poorly, but then admonish us for rushing to judgment?


You went to the academy and were turned away because of your status? Okay, the first thing you have to do if you want to get into LE is accept responsibility for your own actions. You should not have been there to begin with. Frankly, it wasted everyone's time. Yours, theirs and whoever was eligible but didn't go because you took their seat.


If you were set back because of that, who was ultimately responsible for the situation? Or did you think that you would simply slip through the cracks? If so, I would have serious doubts about your integrity. If not, then your attention to detail is lacking.


I'm glad you followed through and got your citizenship. I hope you truly understand what it means. You seem to suggest that your eyes are more open now. I hope so.


I assume that you are going to reapply. If you do, be honest about what happened the first time around, no matter what agency you apply to.


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no actually I never applied to begin with,nor was I ever turned away.I took the time to sit and read the packet thoroughly before sighning anything and one of the requirements said "Must be a U.S citizen". That caught my eye and I asked the recruiter about it,She actually offered to fax my documents to T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E and ask if it was possible.I chose to decline and walk away myself until I got that situated because I didnt want anymore set backs later because of it.So I took no one's seat even tho I would have been admitted still,the only thing is I wouldnt have got to take my state exam once everything came to light.This much I know already trust me I'm not trying to find any loop holes of such,everything I've done has been on my own and through my own hard work a loop hole would make me feel like I didnt earn my position.But yeah I do have a better understanding of it,perhaps not to the full extent yet,but better nonetheless.I admit I learned about my status very late in life,but better late than never I always say


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TexasSecurityOfficer says ...



and I apologize to all for how my words came about. When I said *ONLY reason*But if you understood where my mind was at the time,you'd better understand why I said it the way I said it.I learned much more as I was at my interview and taking my test for naturalization.Again from someone who knew nothing about U.S citizenship and its true meaning,you cant expect me to have a better reason for wanting naturalization when I didnt even understand it at the time.Perhaps thats my own fault but dont be so quick to judge without taking the time to ask.Just my 2cents.I respect all of your opinions tho,stay safe



 




Okay, it sounded like a different situation in your post that I was referring to. Sometimes it pays to give the longer version in the first place, it avoids confusion. You may know what the back story is, but unless you fill in the blanks, we don't.


Some free advice:


1) If you are going to try to work in LE, do it for the right reasons. You don't have to explain them here, just make sure they are the right reasons. Sooner or later those that are doing so for the wrong reasons don't get hired, get fired or alienated within their agency.


2) If you want to get hired by any agency, lose the do-rag and bathroom photos. Start presenting yourself as a professional from here on out.


Good luck.

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I was just recently in that same position,im actually still a current permanent resident,will be a u.s citizen by this wednesday. the only reason I applied for it was for this particular reason of getting into LE. I will tell you now,the majority of department will require this,especially because of the 9/11 attacks. there MAY be a very very very few departments that dont require it,but it varies state to state. Here in TX your required to be a citizen to be licensed by T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E (Texas Commision of Law Enforcement Standards and Education).



You're a LAPR but the only reason you applied for your citizenship was to work in LE? Kind of sad. I would think that someone who wants to work in LE for the right reasons would want to be a citizen for more than just the job. Frankly, it shows a lack of initiative. You only step up to the plate when it will get you something you want? Sad.


 BTW, you are also supposed to post an introduction in the "Introductions" section before participating in the rest of the forums. Please do so. It helps the membership in getting to know you.



 


 


I do understand your point completely. But do you know how much money and time it takes to become a citizen? Yes you could ask, "why would you NOT take the obligation and responsibility to become a citizen if you were willing to take the responsibility to be a LEO?" But being in this country as a permanent resident myself, I wouldn't become a citizen either if Utah POST didn't require one. Going through the naaturalization just because you want to become a LEO shows how bad you want the job.



Of course I know how much it costs to become a citizen. In addition to my LE duties I'm also a certified immigration officer. But I am sorry, you're talking to the wrong person about money and time. I know about the costs that were made to establish and keep our freedom in this country so complaining about how much money it costs to obtain citizenship seems pointless to me.


This isn't just about how bad you want the job. This has to do with being a good citizen. This has to do with being someone who is willing to share the benefits AND the burden of citizenship. Freedom isn't free. I'm sure you have heard that before but these things are worth repeating.


People should gain their citizenship for more reasons than simply a job. Likewise, a person should become a police officer for the right reasons, not just for the money or so they can look cool (AKA "SWATed out/tactical, as TexasSecurityOfficer stated in another post). You don't run into a burning building because you think you'll get a medal. You do it because there is someone in there that needs help. Citizenship comes with a set of obligations beyond paying your taxes. Being a true LEO means taking on a whole new set of obligations beyond what many people realize. If you aren't ready and willing to accept those obligations of citizenship for the right reasons, how can you justify being a LEO???


I'm sorry but if you immigrate to this country, then take on all of the responsibilities. Myself and many others have a problem with those that benefit from living here but sit on the sidelines. Those that don't bother to take the final step until they need to get off their butts simply because it will further their personal goals.


Maybe you guys just don't get it. BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IS MORE THAN JUST A JOB OPPORTUNITY!


You just admitted that you are happy to come here, live among us, take advantage of all that we have to offer, but you wouldn't want to be an American if the job did not require it because of the time and money required? 


Wow, you just don't get it do you? Totally clueless.


 


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no actually I never applied to begin with,nor was I ever turned away.I took the time to sit and read the packet thoroughly before sighning anything and one of the requirements said "Must be a U.S citizen". That caught my eye and I asked the recruiter about it,She actually offered to fax my documents to T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E and ask if it was possible.I chose to decline and walk away myself until I got that situated because I didnt want anymore set backs later because of it.So I took no one's seat even tho I would have been admitted still,the only thing is I wouldnt have got to take my state exam once everything came to light.This much I know already trust me I'm not trying to find any loop holes of such,everything I've done has been on my own and through my own hard work a loop hole would make me feel like I didnt earn my position.But yeah I do have a better understanding of it,perhaps not to the full extent yet,but better nonetheless.I admit I learned about my status very late in life,but better late than never I always say


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TexasSecurityOfficer says ...



and I apologize to all for how my words came about. When I said *ONLY reason*But if you understood where my mind was at the time,you'd better understand why I said it the way I said it.I learned much more as I was at my interview and taking my test for naturalization.Again from someone who knew nothing about U.S citizenship and its true meaning,you cant expect me to have a better reason for wanting naturalization when I didnt even understand it at the time.Perhaps thats my own fault but dont be so quick to judge without taking the time to ask.Just my 2cents.I respect all of your opinions tho,stay safe



 




Okay, it sounded like a different situation in your post that I was referring to. Sometimes it pays to give the longer version in the first place, it avoids confusion. You may know what the back story is, but unless you fill in the blanks, we don't.


Some free advice:


1) If you are going to try to work in LE, do it for the right reasons. You don't have to explain them here, just make sure they are the right reasons. Sooner or later those that are doing so for the wrong reasons don't get hired, get fired or alienated within their agency.


2) If you want to get hired by any agency, lose the do-rag and bathroom photos. Start presenting yourself as a professional from here on out.


Good luck.



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He seems clueless. ... will not pass the hire process.

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says the fortune teller..lol ok fella,thx for the input


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no actually I never applied to begin with,nor was I ever turned away.I took the time to sit and read the packet thoroughly before sighning anything and one of the requirements said "Must be a U.S citizen". That caught my eye and I asked the recruiter about it,She actually offered to fax my documents to T.E.C.L.E.O.S.E and ask if it was possible.I chose to decline and walk away myself until I got that situated because I didnt want anymore set backs later because of it.So I took no one's seat even tho I would have been admitted still,the only thing is I wouldnt have got to take my state exam once everything came to light.This much I know already trust me I'm not trying to find any loop holes of such,everything I've done has been on my own and through my own hard work a loop hole would make me feel like I didnt earn my position.But yeah I do have a better understanding of it,perhaps not to the full extent yet,but better nonetheless.I admit I learned about my status very late in life,but better late than never I always say


SeanJon says ...



TexasSecurityOfficer says ...



and I apologize to all for how my words came about. When I said *ONLY reason*But if you understood where my mind was at the time,you'd better understand why I said it the way I said it.I learned much more as I was at my interview and taking my test for naturalization.Again from someone who knew nothing about U.S citizenship and its true meaning,you cant expect me to have a better reason for wanting naturalization when I didnt even understand it at the time.Perhaps thats my own fault but dont be so quick to judge without taking the time to ask.Just my 2cents.I respect all of your opinions tho,stay safe



 




Okay, it sounded like a different situation in your post that I was referring to. Sometimes it pays to give the longer version in the first place, it avoids confusion. You may know what the back story is, but unless you fill in the blanks, we don't.


Some free advice:


1) If you are going to try to work in LE, do it for the right reasons. You don't have to explain them here, just make sure they are the right reasons. Sooner or later those that are doing so for the wrong reasons don't get hired, get fired or alienated within their agency.


2) If you want to get hired by any agency, lose the do-rag and bathroom photos. Start presenting yourself as a professional from here on out.


Good luck.



All grouped in the X ring, SeanJon. 


He seems clueless. ... will not pass the hire process.


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