Group Forums >> 3rd Shift Patrol >> Poll: Are mandatory shift rotations beneficial?

+1

Poll: Are mandatory shift rotations beneficial?

1,553 Views
18 Replies Flag as inappropriate

Poll: Does mandatory shift rotation benefit officers?

Photo_user_blank_big

2 posts

back to top

Posted about 5 years ago

 

Our Department recently began discussing the rule of mandatory shift rotations from graves to days once every two years.  This policy is deemed necessary because of the benefits it yields to officers.  Does anyone have any knowledge of any studies conducted on this topic and whether or not it is beneficial?

52917_max50

9 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

 I only speak from my experience, but I like working a rotation off my normal shift (afternoons).  At my department we have to work 1 three month rotation off our normal shift.  From my perspective it helps deal with burnout and also helps the officers because each shift handles different types of calls, makes for a more well rounded officer in my opinion.

Lpd317_max160_1__max50_max50

672 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

 There are studies that show there are health problem from rotating shifts. Rotating shift workers typically sleep one to four hours less than average, and often feel fatigued when they’re awake.For example, a disrupted circadian rhythm may influence cancer progression through shifts in hormones like melatonin, which your brain makes during sleep. And, studies have linked night shift work to an increased risk of, Prostrate Cancer, Heart Disease and Gastrointestinal Problem




"I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." --Thomas Jefferson

"To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington

Native_clip_art_4_049_max50

274 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Our department rotates monthly.  The officers were given several options on shift schedules and they selected 12 hour shifts with monthly rotation. 

27436_100000740479488_3845_q_max50

407 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

It seems like the main issue with rotating shifts has always been the frequency that you have to rotate.  I've seen some departments rotate every two weeks, which everyone says is BRUTAL.  Two years would make the rotation easier to adjust, but some officers would seldom get to their preferred shift.  I'm guesing somwhere in the middle would let you adjust your schedule, but spread the preferred shifts around.


100 Years from now ..... all new people !!

Policelinkbadge_max160_max160_max50

1552 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

What is your union's position on this issue?

Photo_user_blank_big

2 posts

back to top
-1

Rated -1 | Posted about 5 years ago

 

The POA believes that senority is the overall rule.  We, being a young board are trying to understand the issue better and if any studies either by University or Department indicate that it does benefit employee growth, then there would definately be a change in our stance.  Are alot of the mandatory rotations out there between days and nights or beginning of week to end of week? Thanks

New_badge_max160_max50

211 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

My department rotates every 3-6 months and it sucks. Two year roatation does not sound as bad, but it takes the body a couple months to get used to a sleep pattern, rotating too often causes health issues in my opinion.

Lion1_max50

10 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

We used to do a mandatory year rotation for rookies so that they would experience the different types of calls on all three shifts. However, we have gone away from that. In my opinion, we should still do that because i have seen two or three year officers who have had to change shifts and not know certain aspects of their job because of lack of experience. I have also seen as a supervisor how someone can get very stagnant and complacent on one shift, especially days and midnights. Evening shift is not so common because of the varying types of calls. In regards to studies done about this subject, I have read and I apologize for not being able to site particulars but staying on a shift like midnights is also detrimental for those individuals. Issues abound from lack of sleep over a long period of time and as someone mentioned earlier, their natural body rhythm is disrupted just for the pure fact that they work at night. The other problem for my department is the large disparity between seasoned officers and new officers. Predominantly we have all our senior officers on day shift with midnights taking the 1 to 5 year officers. We are currently looking into a 12 hour schedule with rotations every six months.

Evil_max50

7070 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

We rotate every 3 mos.  It sucks,  on graves I sleep 4-5 hrs a day even on my days off.  By the time I get used to it and start sleeping longer its about time to rotate again.  Then there is the I really hate dayshift.  I suppose and advantage would be less likely to get burnt out always working the same time of day.  Then there is the hours worked are so off the wall it really don't make sense to me.


You have the rest of your life to solve the problem, how long your life lasts depends on how well you do it. -Clint Smith

Respect it

In_remembrance_of_oakland_pd_max160_max50_max50

293 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

We used to rotate every 2 weeks, then we went to permanent shifts (I spent 2 years on days).


Then we started rotating every 3 months.  I loved the nights but hated the days.


Now we are permanent again.  I have been on nights now for about 6 years.  We rotate 1 weekend a month, so we have 1 night weekend, and 1 day weekend.


I enjoy it because there are officers on days who hardly ever have to work the bars or parties.  We appreciate the break.  I don't want to give up nights, but I do like a couple of days of change a month.

2009_0401rubytuesday0036_max50

10 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

The department where I worked rotated shift every two months.  I enjoyed that rotation because just about the time monotony was setting in, it was time to rotate.  Where I work now, we rotate every two and a half weeks.  I have this rotation is very hard on my body.  It's not only mentally and physically draining, but when I am tired and exhausted, the family time suffers as well. 


There have been studies that say rotating shifts takes approximately 10 years off your life.  I used to think that study was a joke, until I have since become older and have been placed in a more demanding rotating schedule.


I just try to make the best of it, but in all honesty, I find rotating shifts can be detrimental to an officer, the citizens and the department.  Not only does it pose as an officer safety issue, but I believe it poses a risk to the community. 

Logo3d-2b-25-then25-then50_20percent_max50

21 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

We work a 6x6 2 days, 2 nights rotation, 12 hours each. Four on, four off. Talk about messed up sleep pattern, you have day off sleep, day shift sleep and then nights sleep all in one week. The four days off are nice, and when you talk holiday leave that translates in to 12 days off.


It's interesting that a friend of mine attended a mandatory "wellness" seminar at her federal job a few years ago and the one topic was retirement. The speaker referred to the fact that for a period of time Police Services, and Officers, in Ontario had stopped paying in to our pension plans because of a huge surplus. The money we saved went in to our pockets. The sad fact was the surplus came about because the pension plan expect sto pay out for on average 18 years after an officer retires. The average at the time was TWO years surviving  after retirement.


So yes, rotating shifts are hard on the body. It's been studied and proven over and over again. Should have been a teacher...

X8f5sca71g38acavd0txzcayq2yuacav0ezf3cam6q906caxqyg15ca826thzca02wy8jcav2mnyzcagtxtx7cav4vr89cahavncdca8bg7mvcaflj1ppcarddv6dcaista73caj22iaocayhe36icakdmp0z_max50

30 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

My agency is currently on 3- 12 hour shifts, (days, swings and graves). Prior to that we were on 10 hour shifts. We bid by seniority for 2 months at a time and where you end up depends on everyone ahead of you. Turnover and re-assignments are frequent enough that no one stays on the bottom for more than 2-3 bids. I have had enough seniority since about 6 months after hiring on and again for 6 months after being promoted to the Corporal's schedule to keep graves with weekends off. They used to make us work two bids in a 12 month period which was opposite of our normal selection to avoid burnout but that has been dropped. 


My former agency rotated everyone every 3 months. They had no set formula for how it was done and the same guys kept getting screwed with having to work two weeks back to back and the same sergeant's pets kept getting the double days off at the transition. After working 6-8 days in a row during X-mas and New Years for 3 years straight, they wondered why I quit and went to another agency.  The two years I was actually off for New Year's eve they cancelled that day off for most of the staff and made us conduct a DUI checkpoint, except for a couple of the afore mentioned pets who had that off too.

0 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 4 years ago

 

In my area or our department, we work two weeks of days then two weeks of night. Rotate every two weeks.  What is bad is the turnaround day.  For example, my last night of nights I worked from 4p-1a, then had to be back at work the next morning at 9am and work till 6pm. That really sucks!!!

2305378_1435398_max50

74 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 4 years ago

 

We bid for shifts and days off every year. Helps those that want to go to college and helps with daycare etc for a lot of officers with kids. Usually you can find something that will work for you even if its not perfect. Most hated it when we did mandatory rotations every three months for shift and constantly rotating days off.


I understand it with smaller agencies but with a larger agency rotation is crazy.

Police_car_max50

37 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 4 years ago

 

Mids will catch up with you eventually..I was on for 3 and a half years last time and the last six months, I just stayed tired. Finally got moved to days, which can be a pain but I needed the break...at some point, people on Mids need a breather, even if they don't particularly like the idea.  Didn't realize how hard it was on my health until I moved.  When my time is done on Days, I'd go back if that's the way it worked out--or go to Evenings, since my daughter will be in college by then. 


Our shifts are basically permanent, but you can count on being moved every three years or so, which is OK. Supervisors aren't quite as stable, but you can usually stay for two years if it works for everybody. At least you can get yourself adjusted and your family can get into a set schedule. Much easier on the kids, even if it is midnights...the kids do better with the stability.


Those of you with the twelve hour shifts, I don't know how you do it.  Ours are 8.5 hours, (which works out to over nine for us supervisors a lot of the time) and that's enough.  I think twelve hours is too long a shift to work on a regular basis. I do it maybe once a week to pick up an extra detail($$), but I couldn't do it every day.  One of the worst enemies on Midnights was fatigue even with the shorter shifts.


"It is better to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." --Attributed to Abraham Lincoln

Btjustice_max50

213 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 4 years ago

 

Years ago, my agency use to rotate on a monthly basis.  First of each month, we would change.  It was a backwards rotation,  days then to midnights then to afternoons and back to days.  I have found sleeping issues, it would take about three weeks to adapt to the shift change for sleeping, then a week later, it is time to change.  Eating habits are effected.   It wasn't until the later part of the 90's that straight shifts began.  I find it can more more beneficial, eating habits are somewhat normal, sleeping pattern normal or more consistant and so on ...  Each year, new bids are placed.