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Posted about 5 years ago

 

Hello my fellow K9 handlers.    I am trying to write a proposal to our department to allow our K9 officers to carry a light on our sidearm as an alternative light source, if we were to come across a suspect while tracking or searching.  Usually we end up with either a flashlight and dog, or gun and dog.....we think we really need the option on the weapon mounted light, but our staff feels it is more of a liability due to people wanting to search with the light on their weapon and pointing their gun at people....I would like to get some imput from both the pro's and con's, and  if your department has a policy on carrying weapon mounted lights.    I think this will be some labor intensive research to find what is needed to get it approved.  If there is anyone out here that can give me some insight, and wouldn't mind sending me a copy of their department policy, what type of light you use, and holster used.  Please I need the good and the bad if you have it...any help is greatly apprecicated.  Trying to make it safer for our officers and K9's. 

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Great topic. I agree a weapon light is one of he safest things there are.Our department has gone as far as to buy the light with the laser for us. Yes lasers needed their own topic. The point is, arent we as K9 officers there to keep other officers safe? Yes we should deploy with back up but that is in an ideal world.


Do this drill just as an officer. get your EMPTY duty gun point it in a safe direction, now grab our light as if you were holding it. Now try to grab our radio and tell dispatch you found the burglar you were looking for.  Now do that with a PSD that wants to get the guy!


I tell all the new guys I train a $100 light with a holster is worth the money,

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Thanks guys for your replies however the issue is not with our officers, its convincing our staff that having the light on our sidearm will benefit us.  However their concern, which i can understand, is they don't want officers searching with the light on the sidearm.  With some of the dummy's out there, they will search with it and end up shooting someone....That is their biggest fear.  I just have to have enough backup and stories both pos and neg, in order to convince them that this would benefit our K9 officers.  They will never allow all the officers to use this....because of the above fear.........


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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I understand that not every search requires your side arm to to drawn. However, when searching for a felony suspect at night, is your side arm out? At night we need light to search. I search with my because my reaction time will always loose agains the suspects actions. Suspect knows what and when he will make his move. Reaction is slower then action.


Why not give your self some more advantage over the suspect.


If the concern is with certian people, that sounds like a training and can be solved.


Good luck with the lights.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

My kennels has issued me a First Light Liberator ST hands free flash light. I swear by it. Most of the time when I work the road Im on mid shift. We had weapon mounted lights before. For obvious reasons it was not practical in all situations. With my First Light Liberator I can fire my weapon, with 130 lumes on target, while having my dog on leash. The flash light has more than payed its self off. I would recommend it 10 out of 10 for anybody who is K-9. The flash light also has a strobe setting that I like to use to mess with drunks. All the settings can be done only with your thumb on the hand that the flash light is mounted on. Check out First Light. You won't be disappointed.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

thanks guys for the input, Z6K9, we acutally had one to try out, I looked at it, but all the crap on my belt right now, I didn't have any room to carry it.  The light itself is great, but we just wasnt really sure about the carry part since we are so loaded down on our belt already. thanks for the information..

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I know exactly what you mean about the Cluster F@*! on the bat belt. I usually just put my flash light on the center console of the truck untill I need it and step out of the vehicle, or I just drive with it still mounted on my hand. It took me about a week or so to get used to it but I love it now. It makes my job to easy. The thumb control makes it effortless. As we all know the job is about personal preferance. Good luck in your search. If you come up with something good. Let me know.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

As far as the brass being concerned about searching with the gun, carry a small streamlight flashlight or something else as a secondary to the one on the sidearm. If you're searching a car, use the secondary. If you're searching a house for a suspect, use the gun with the light on it....


 


My agency has not gone to lights or lasers on our handguns,even though we specifically have a sig with rails for that purpose. The reason being, that they didn't buy HOLSTERS that would accomodate those light attachments, so you'd have to put it on and off, and who is going to maninuplate THAT in a tense situation? I think the light would be a great attachment to have, it would definitely make things easier. The only other thing I've heard from people is that during shooting situations the muzzle blast can obscure the light, and render it useless on some lights or models, so the officer still has to pull out his other flashlight to see. I don't know, as I've never fired a handgun with the light mount.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

KelsoK3 says ...



I understand that not every search requires your side arm to to drawn. However, when searching for a felony suspect at night, is your side arm out? At night we need light to search. I search with my because my reaction time will always loose agains the suspects actions. Suspect knows what and when he will make his move. Reaction is slower then action.


Why not give your self some more advantage over the suspect.


If the concern is with certian people, that sounds like a training and can be solved.


Good luck with the lights.



I dont think that he is referring to a suspect search so much as the searching of a vehicle on a stop. i.e. Need to look under the seat, and use the light on the gun for illumination. I have seen someone do this personally . SCARY!

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

When I became a K-9 handler the city offered us lights for all of our weapons. I use them everyday and recommend them.


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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I think you all bring up good points in regards to the lights. But why have a weapon light that stays in a pocket, belt or on the dash board. The light belongs on the weapon. our department does not buy the holster but to me its worth the $80 or so to have it on the weapon. We all revert back to training in a stressful situation. How many of you train to put your lights on before you start. And then lets say you do shoot and have to go hands on.. how do you put your gun away with the light on.


I'm a big fan of the light on the weapon at all times.. train for the real world I guess. JMO

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Well KelsoK3, you have some good points and thats why we wan the holster that will allow the light. We don't want to run into that issue of having to put the light on and off, its just not practical on a high stress situation.  I already have stressed that point to the staff...we want it always there.   Thanks everyone for your imput.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Good luck to you guys. I hope they come around.

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Lexpddj says ...



Hello my fellow K9 handlers.    I am trying to write a proposal to our department to allow our K9 officers to carry a light on our sidearm as an alternative light source, if we were to come across a suspect while tracking or searching.  Usually we end up with either a flashlight and dog, or gun and dog.....we think we really need the option on the weapon mounted light, but our staff feels it is more of a liability due to people wanting to search with the light on their weapon and pointing their gun at people....I would like to get some imput from both the pro's and con's, and  if your department has a policy on carrying weapon mounted lights.    I think this will be some labor intensive research to find what is needed to get it approved.  If there is anyone out here that can give me some insight, and wouldn't mind sending me a copy of their department policy, what type of light you use, and holster used.  Please I need the good and the bad if you have it...any help is greatly apprecicated.  Trying to make it safer for our officers and K9's. 



In my opinion the staff is saying "we don't have the money and its not an important enough to to budget for". I have been asking for years for gun mounted lights and always hear that same lame reason. Always falls on deaf ears.

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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

Lex do you have any update on the lights? I'd like to hear how this turned out.

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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

hello all, sorry it has been so long, but for some reason i got locked out and it has been a task getting back in. 


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Well i have received several agencie policies which is going to be a great help. I have written a proposed SOP for our unit and received the holsters last week.  I should get the lights next week and the in the next couple weeks, I plan on taking to the staff.. We will see, but so far things look like they may go through... we will see though,,,i won't count the chickens yet.  thanks for all the replies and sorry it took so long to reply back..


 

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Rate This | Posted over 4 years ago

 

For K9 Officers a weapon mounted light is a must have unless you have 3 hands...lol. Always think Officer saftey.....tracking a armed suspect through a deeply wooded area at night is a prime example of why you need a light mounted on your firearm.

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Rate This | Posted over 4 years ago

 

We have the Insight WX150 light.  I love the light.  A weapon mounted light is a must have for all K9 handlers.  Much easier to hold the lead and a gun with light then dog, gun, and maglight.  I would say that getting the strobe feature is truely a plus as well. I know that our range master has said that someone will screw up and use it as a flashlight and he will due everything he can to make sure that person pays the price not the rest of us.  Every body in my department is allowed to wear a weapon mounted light.