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well....i guess i will chime in on this one too with some personal feelings.


 


while im from PA and have had the privelege of having my CCW permit for 10+ years now, i feel that COs SHOULD be able to carry off duty.....with the proper credentials. i totally agree with having to identify who you are when/if sh*t hit the fan.


 


granted, i have not been through the academy yet, but i have a general idea of what to expect when i do get there. and it sounds like i will get (even more) formal training in firearms both at the academy and in-house. so my feeling would be....as long as you get the formal training, have your ID, and carrying a weapon youre certified to use....then why not? me personally.....i dont see that much of a difference between COs and POs. the police officers arrest them.....the correctional officers detain them......we all deal with criminals. we are all on the same side working towards the same goals. the only thing that separates us is title. not too sure why there seems to be opposing viewpoints between the POs here and the COs. the second word in all the titles that i can think of is "officer."


 


just my .02 cents.



Oddly enough, the provisions that relate to off duty concealed carry seem to come more from LEO having powers of arrest rather than from their firearms training, and perhaps a little from thier knowledge of deadly force usage.  Many agencies consider their LEO's as 24/7/365 people even though only a fraction of this tinme is actually spent on duy.

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I am retired from the Department of Corrections in Phoenix AZ. Although I do not agree with the LEO CCW law that only allows retired P.O.S.T. LEO,s to carry state wide I wanted to clear up some questions I have read. In AZ you no longer have to get a CCW permit to carry legally. You also are allowed to carry conceiled in a bar as long as you are not consuming alcohol. Even though as Correctional Officers we are swarn to carry out our duties, the answer lies in the verbage. It states you must have had Statutory Powers of Arrest. As Correctional Officers we did not have Statutory Powers of Arrest even though we were sworn in at graduation from the academy and granted powers of arrest with reguard to escaped inmates or receiving inmates from police officers. As I stated I strongly disagree with this. If we are tasked withe preserving the peace and protecting the welefare of personell, public, and staff from all inmates then we should be afforded the right to protect ourselves from those inmates when they are released. I did out of state transfers of inmates amoung other things while working at the Dept. While on vacation I have run into exinmates and did not feel at all comfortable without my weapon. Hopefully we will generate enough rucus that the law can be changed and afford ALL retired law enforcement officers the same rights toenable us to protect and serve even after we retire.

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I started my career in California.  It seems that California is moving back to the model of everyone is a sworn officer whether they work the streets, the jail, or prison.  Officers of the California Department of Corrections & Rehabilitation are sworn officers and can carry as such off-duty.  There are 19 out of 54(?) counties in California that their jail officers are Deputy Sheriff's while on duty.  Talk about clear as mud.  I also know that any county with a population over 425,000 in California must use peace officers to staff the jail.


The whole idea of a Sheriff's Correctional/Detenion Officer, Jailer, etc is a money saving move to not have to pay higher salaries for deputies to work the jail.  Based on that idea alone, it was a good idea, but times have changed and I don't believe in it.  It's like Sean Connery's line in the Untouchables "Carry a badge?  Than carry a gun."


Criminals don't care about the law.  They don't care is you are sworn, non-sworn, armed, unarmed; they will attack you if you wear a uniform and a badge for a law enforcement agency.

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If you can arrest by dept policy then trust me there is a statue backing that policy. In other words while you may not have "general" power of arrest you do have limited statutory power of arrest and as stated by both the US AG and DOJ, LEOSA does has no regard to how limited ones power of arrest is to meet the criteria of LEOSA- it just has to be there. I can only make an off duty arrest for 3 things and am covered by LEOSA. Dept policy however can restrict you from carrying off duty on your creds but no law can granted you meet the criteria of LEOSA.


 


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I am retired from the Department of Corrections in Phoenix AZ. Although I do not agree with the LEO CCW law that only allows retired P.O.S.T. LEO,s to carry state wide I wanted to clear up some questions I have read. In AZ you no longer have to get a CCW permit to carry legally. You also are allowed to carry conceiled in a bar as long as you are not consuming alcohol. Even though as Correctional Officers we are swarn to carry out our duties, the answer lies in the verbage. It states you must have had Statutory Powers of Arrest. As Correctional Officers we did not have Statutory Powers of Arrest even though we were sworn in at graduation from the academy and granted powers of arrest with reguard to escaped inmates or receiving inmates from police officers. As I stated I strongly disagree with this. If we are tasked withe preserving the peace and protecting the welefare of personell, public, and staff from all inmates then we should be afforded the right to protect ourselves from those inmates when they are released. I did out of state transfers of inmates amoung other things while working at the Dept. While on vacation I have run into exinmates and did not feel at all comfortable without my weapon. Hopefully we will generate enough rucus that the law can be changed and afford ALL retired law enforcement officers the same rights toenable us to protect and serve even after we retire.


 



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I believe that everybody who is not mentally impaired or aa convicted felon has the right to carry a concealed weapon - this includes correctional or detention officers, probatiion officers, or parole offiicers. However, I do believ that those of us in the correctional professions do run a greater risk of being attacked when offf duty simply because we deal with uunbalanced or anti-social persons who often feel as if they have an axe to griind with us and may decide to track us down. I mayself have been stalked by clients at least three times.

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I was lucky enough to start carrying my weapon concealed almost as soon as I started with the Jail.  I believe that should we encounter a former inmate/detainee it is nice know that I have the ready option of protect my family and myself.  I also believe it is great because I live by the cliche "I would rather have a gun and not need it then need a gun and not have it."  I hope no thinks that I am trigger happy or a danger to anyone I have the upmost respect for firearms and the responsiblity that comes with carry a conceled weapon off duty.  Not only are you taking a huge civil and legal risk you are also representing the agency you work for.  If you carry concealed poorly then it reflects poorly on the agency.

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Don't know about Colorado, but in KS you cannot carry concealed as a jailer unless you are also LE certified, merely being certified as a jailer is not enough.

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In Colorado, most of the Detention Deputies are certified peace officers by Statute, and authorized to carry off duty.  There are sone deputies who work int he jails, that are not certified, but most of the ones I know are certified.


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 Are sworn part time police officers allowed to carry off duty?


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yes they can, they are still sworn officers, even if they are part time or not, a regular civilian can carry a firearm, pending on every states laws, but a person can still get a CCW liscense even if they work in law or not. Remember each state has different rules on where and how, (ie. concealed or open),  you can carry a firearm.

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 Are sworn part time police officers allowed to carry off duty?


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As a sworn PT officer, you should have a commission/ID card from the department where you work PT, and that should cover you under HR 218, that is what an officer would want to see if you are carryng concealed and stopped by an on-duty LEO.

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Whoa, hang on there. Many part-time or reserve Officers are NOT allowed to carry while Off-duty. It is a departmental policy and the degree of training that determines if they are allowed to. Consult your department before you simply carry off-duty. You can always get a Concealed Weapons Permit and carry that way. Many reserve or part-time Officers have no powers of arrest unless they are on-duty.


As for Corrections Officers. HR218 clearly excludes CO's as most of them are not trained in the use of firearms nor do they have the powers of arrest the same as a LEO. The best solution is to obtain a CWP for civilians and carry that way provided you meet the requirements.

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Whoa, hang on there. Many part-time or reserve Officers are NOT allowed to carry while Off-duty. It is a departmental policy and the degree of training that determines if they are allowed to. Consult your department before you simply carry off-duty. You can always get a Concealed Weapons Permit and carry that way. Many reserve or part-time Officers have no powers of arrest unless they are on-duty.


As for Corrections Officers. HR218 clearly excludes CO's as most of them are not trained in the use of firearms nor do they have the powers of arrest the same as a LEO. The best solution is to obtain a CWP for civilians and carry that way provided you meet the requirements.



Excellent point here by Robocop33, what I posted is how it works in my area, but agencies differ a lot, especially from state to state.  Check  both with your agency and with your state, defination of LEO's (as covered by HR 218) varies from state to state.

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Personally I feel only those licensed by P.O.S.T. should be allowed to carry concealed. Our county correctional officers are civilians and can always attend a CCW class for a permit.

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This is almost a ridiculous topic.I'm a correctional officer have been one for 4yrs now. Where i work we don't carry firearms on duty.We don't carry a firearm even when we transport a inmate to court ( never understood that one) we are not even issued badges, even though some of our officers complain that we should be issued badges, i wonder what the hell can they do with it besides try to look cool. The only defensive tool we carry on duty is common sense and Freeze + P chemical spray and the knowledge of the defensive tatics that we have been trained in.Weused to carry  a ASP baton, those got taken away when an officer got his ass handed to him and a inmate took his ASP( Luckly the inmate didnt use it on the officer) There are points well taken on both sides of the issue.My point is if you are a CO and feel the need that you need to carry a weapon off duty but feel your agency or the state you work in should pay or support that idea, well find another job or move to another state where that will happen. I think CO'S and LEO'S alike,want to just carry a gun because they think its cool and make them a bad mf. I know i will probably get alot of crtics for that statement but you know just as well as i do it's true. If  your that afraid of " the bad guy" that you feel u need to carry a gun all the time you need to find another line of work. Whether you carry a gun or not ,legally or illegally ;when its your day to meet  your maker, ain't jack sht you can do about it.

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Whoa, hang on there. Many part-time or reserve Officers are NOT allowed to carry while Off-duty. It is a departmental policy and the degree of training that determines if they are allowed to. Consult your department before you simply carry off-duty. You can always get a Concealed Weapons Permit and carry that way. Many reserve or part-time Officers have no powers of arrest unless they are on-duty.


As for Corrections Officers. HR218 clearly excludes CO's as most of them are not trained in the use of firearms nor do they have the powers of arrest the same as a LEO. The best solution is to obtain a CWP for civilians and carry that way provided you meet the requirements.



Sorry Robocop but I disagree with you on this one for several reasons.


"In order to be covered as a "qualified law enforcement officer", a person must meet every one of the following criteria, that is to say they must:



  1. an employee of a governmental agency,

  2. be authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person for, any violation of law,

  3. have statutory powers of arrest, it does not say the same as a cop

  4. be authorized by the agency to carry a firearm, can your agency put you on an armed post

  5. not be the subject of any disciplinary action by the agency and

  6. meet standards, if any, established by the agency which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use of a firearm." Meaning if your agency has no standards then LEOSA does not care.........."


I cannot speak for every Correctional Agency however if you work for any gov as a CO and can make an arrest for anything by statute and can be issued a weapon by your dept then you qualify under LEOSA. There is nothing in LEOSA that say's you have to be a cop- absolutly nothing. The US Attorney General issued a memo to the DOJ with a list of it's agencies that qualify under LEOSA . That listed included the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Staff inlcuding Food Service, some medical and a list of others are ALL qualified under LEOSA. The powers afforded to employees of the BOP are no different than most other CO's. The memo and a full explination is available online (google it) and you can compare it to your situation. This has been tested in court. The only advise I can give to anyone is to check with their agencies legal dept first!


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Robocop33 says ...



Whoa, hang on there. Many part-time or reserve Officers are NOT allowed to carry while Off-duty. It is a departmental policy and the degree of training that determines if they are allowed to. Consult your department before you simply carry off-duty. You can always get a Concealed Weapons Permit and carry that way. Many reserve or part-time Officers have no powers of arrest unless they are on-duty.


As for Corrections Officers. HR218 clearly excludes CO's as most of them are not trained in the use of firearms nor do they have the powers of arrest the same as a LEO. The best solution is to obtain a CWP for civilians and carry that way provided you meet the requirements.



Sorry Robocop but I disagree with you on this one for several reasons.


"In order to be covered as a "qualified law enforcement officer", a person must meet every one of the following criteria, that is to say they must:



  1. an employee of a governmental agency,

  2. be authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person for, any violation of law,

  3. have statutory powers of arrest, it does not say the same as a cop

  4. be authorized by the agency to carry a firearm, can your agency put you on an armed post

  5. not be the subject of any disciplinary action by the agency and

  6. meet standards, if any, established by the agency which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use of a firearm." Meaning if your agency has no standards then LEOSA does not care.........."


I cannot speak for every Correctional Agency however if you work for any gov as a CO and can make an arrest for anything by statute and can be issued a weapon by your dept then you qualify under LEOSA. There is nothing in LEOSA that say's you have to be a cop- absolutly nothing. The US Attorney General issued a memo to the DOJ with a list of it's agencies that qualify under LEOSA . That listed included the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Staff inlcuding Food Service, some medical and a list of others are ALL qualified under LEOSA. The powers afforded to employees of the BOP are no different than most other CO's. The memo and a full explination is available online (google it) and you can compare it to your situation. This has been tested in court. The only advise I can give to anyone is to check with their agencies legal dept first!



Robo was correct, he was talking about how some Part-time officer and Reserve officer are not coverd by LEOSA, I will not speak to the second part of his post (and I think that is the part you may have been disagreeing with) I do not remember and have not read the newer part of the law that was past.


In the state I live in Reserve and Part-time officers (paid or unpaid) have full powers of arrest just as a full time officer does. A civ jailor (some of the Sheriffs departments around here have Civ Jailors) have NO POWERS of arrest. (other than any other civilan, yes we are one of those states lol) As of the DOC I have no clue never worked for the state DOC and dont want to.


Here is something I learned while at a UCR class. when reporting LEOKAA to the state (and them in turn to the FBI) you dont report Reserve or part-time officers they would be reported just a any other Civ killed or assulted (even if working!!! and no i dont agree with that!!)


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Robo was correct, he was talking about how some Part-time officer and Reserve officer are not coverd by LEOSA, I will not speak to the second part of his post (and I think that is the part you may have been disagreeing with) I do not remember and have not read the newer part of the law that was past.


In the state I live in Reserve and Part-time officers (paid or unpaid) have full powers of arrest just as a full time officer does. A civ jailor (some of the Sheriffs departments around here have Civ Jailors) have NO POWERS of arrest. (other than any other civilan, yes we are one of those states lol) As of the DOC I have no clue never worked for the state DOC and dont want to.


Here is something I learned while at a UCR class. when reporting LEOKAA to the state (and them in turn to the FBI) you dont report Reserve or part-time officers they would be reported just a any other Civ killed or assulted (even if working!!! and no i dont agree with that!!)



Yes it was the second part I disagreed with. The sad and unfortunate part is that there is no general standard for Correctional Officers. Some agencies set high standards and requirments while there are others who will pick up any Joe off the street and throw him a set of keys without training. This becomes difficult because many will assume that ALL CO's are  the same as the knuckle-draggers at their local jail. This also makes it difficult for law-makers to afford privledges such as LEOSA to CO's equally. It also makes it difficult for PO's and places CO's like me in a jam. For ex: If I were to come across an Officer who believes CO's don't qualify under LEOSA- I'd get arrested or at least detained until the issue is straightened out. Regardless of the outcome or why who wants to deal with that?


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I am a sworn corrections officer for my department and I think we should be allowed to carry off duty as I have ran across many detainees while off duty. Some of these people have made threats to me and my family. This concerns me as I am sure that they will again come back to visit my jail. It would be nice to know that in the event that one of these detainees should become violent that I could protect myself or my family while off duty.

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I am a sworn corrections officer for my department and I think we should be allowed to carry off duty as I have ran across many detainees while off duty. Some of these people have made threats to me and my family. This concerns me as I am sure that they will again come back to visit my jail. It would be nice to know that in the event that one of these detainees should become violent that I could protect myself or my family while off duty.



Have you considered a CCW Permit? If you are in any state other than IL that is an option assuming you aren't covered by LEOSA........


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I work for the county and we are allowed to conceal carry once we have been with the department for a year and promote to what we call detention II (Transportation specialist).....But in our state you can conceal carry without a permit so either way the majority of the officer I know  carry off duty....

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I am a sworn in Corrections Officer for my county and I took an oath to serve and protect my community just like our officers did. There have been countless times that I have run across many former detainees on my days off and they have told me that they know what I drive and what my husband looks like. This concerns me as  I feel that if one of these people should give me a problem then I have to depend on my hand to hand skills and not knowing if they have a weapon I could be in real danger before back up arrived. I would like the peace of mind of knowing that I could protect myself or innocent bystanders if needed.