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You know, Shock, I bet he is more capable than I and can write the best reports of anyone I have ever read!

Oh, man!  With one look at the report, the Defense Attorney will be salvating all the way to jury trial!  That poor guy will be in court all of the time!  He'll be so tired from lack of sleep that his well-trained dog will be driving the cruiser and answering calls!  Maybe he should train the dog to write the reports!  LOL!!!

grayfoxthe5th says ...

well to be honest im a little offened i tried to join the millitary and i scored a 59 on the azvab and i got dissqualified b/c of my two knee surgeries that i had in 06 and yet some people think that i should be 25 to do the only job that i want to do thats a load of crap im one of the best dog trainers that anybody will ever see and i do bleave that life ex. holds a big roll in law enforcement i was in the explorers for 2 years and iv studied law in my own personal time to be the best that anyone has ever seen.im more capable than half of the officers out their are i live to do my job and thats that so what you all think is under me but to the question asked yea man go for it persue what you want befor you cant you got my vote

And his sig. line says:

when i say"stop"you better,my dog cant wate for me to say"go"!

Hmm, a K9 explorer. I think we have ruffled his fur. How does he keep track ofall the dogs names?

miapoet says ...

Oh, man!  With one look at the report, the Defense Attorney will be salvating all the way to jury trial!  That poor guy will be in court all of the time!  He'll be so tired from lack of sleep that his well-trained dog will be driving the cruiser and answering calls!  Maybe he should train the dog to write the reports!  LOL!!!

I'll put money on the fact that the dog would write better reports.

grayfoxthe5th says ...

well to be honest im a little offened i tried to join the millitary and i scored a 59 on the azvab and i got dissqualified b/c of my two knee surgeries that i had in 06 and yet some people think that i should be 25 to do the only job that i want to do thats a load of crap im one of the best dog trainers that anybody will ever see and i do bleave that life ex. holds a big roll in law enforcement i was in the explorers for 2 years and iv studied law in my own personal time to be the best that anyone has ever seen.im more capable than half of the officers out their are i live to do my job and thats that so what you all think is under me but to the question asked yea man go for it persue what you want befor you cant you got my vote

1) Learn to spell.

2) You got a 59? Yeah, not much to brag about.

3) Your response is that of an immature teenager and exemplifies why some believe the minimum age for an officer should be 25.

4) One of the best dog trainers anybody has seen? Son, I've worked with K-9 trainers that would make your head spin. I trained under the late John Henkel sr., who was one of the best in the world and his son continues to run the top GSD kennel in schutzhund competition among other categories. You’re not even remotely close to people of his character who have dedicated their entire lives to K-9 training. You don’t even show up anywhere when I google you so you aren’t even on the radar. You arrogance is insulting, ignorant and somewhat disturbing.

5) The tributes to yourself on your profile are pretty sad. “I wouldn’t fight him”??? You gotta be kidding. Grow up.

6) So you’re better than half the LEOs out there? And you’re vast life experience qualifies you to be their judge? 2 years of explorers? Holy crap! You must know better than all of us. Pull your head out into the sun for the love of God.

I am glad you were an explorer instead of a gang member. I am glad you want to be a LEO. But you will never be one until you change your entire outlook and mature a whole lot. At your stage, you should be keeping your eyes open, listen and learn instead of running your mouth about how good you are.

You have some life experience? Frankly, I don’t see how you have so much more than anyone else at your age. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt. So you have more experience than some of your local peers. Great, so what?

Coming on to PL, you are dealing with adults. Adults who are LEOs, combat veterans, and people with masters degrees in law, etc. Now you wan to come on here and tell us about how you are better than us? Sorry, you are just another cocky, wet behind the ears, inexperienced wannabe who will probably never get on the job. If by some miracle you do, your attitude will get you alienated from your fellow officers, the public, likely get you sued and maybe get you killed. But I doubt you would make it through your probation period or even hired in the first place.

So on your profile, are you saying that you are currently working for KCSO dispatch, or applying?

Shut up, this guy is proving my point

Wow I think "greyfox" better plead the 5th and run silent. Thank you for your vote. I don't know why you would be offended. I've known alot of young conquer the world guys and they usually end up dead or mutilated. It's ok to be self confident, not ok to shove it down everybody's throats. You have nothing to prove to anyone here so there is no reason to go on the offensive. You will be the 30-40-50 year old officer someday and will have to train some young punk who won't listen because they know it all. Only then will you realize, well, no you probably won't realize anything. Thanks for giving 18 year olds a bad name.

grayfoxthe5th says ...

well for one i did infact get ahead of my self and did get rattled at the fact that i spoke before i thought. I do apologize for my horrible spelling,sadly i went to a crapy school so i got a crapy education.second a 59 on the test thats realy good. so i know im over competent and have a high outlook on myself,but to hear that people think that i should have to wate for 7 years to do the job that im set on and for the fact that they think b/c im young and unexperienced! well the best way to learn a job is to do it and now that i think about it,i bit off way more than i could chew by saying that i could do a better job than most LEOs, i was ticked at one persons commit and i took it out on every body. and when i take my time i can spell ok but i will take up the offer on the electronic dictionary if it still stand.

Well first off, if you plan to venture into LE or any job for that matter, you might want to learn how to spell and imply proper grammar skills. This is basic 5th grade stuff.

Second, I hate to burst your bubble, but a 59 on the ASVAB is not good. High 60's is average, mid 70's and up is good. Your recruiter lied to you.

And they aren't talking about expierence being the on set of waiting til 25 to enter into LE, its a maturity factor and trust me when I say you arent mature enough yet.

However, I am glad you realized your mistake.

You have a lot to learn in life, your still young and unexpierenced.......Dont be in a rush to grow up.

get it?  as   !!  haha

He got pissed at my comment?  I got a 99 on the ASVAB, budday!  Maybe you think you know what you are talking about, but I have been there and seen it all, as have many others here.  That is why I support an age minimum, because the youth THINK they know it all and completely ignore experienced voices.  As you have proven.

marine42 says ...

Soooooooo...........42 isn't too old to get into law enforcement. Outstanding. Ok, next question that I would never ask at an interview: Just out of curiosity, what does your department start off at on the pay scale for new officers? The Sheriff dept. here starts at 32,500.

40,000-45,000

grayfox,

A lot of people on here know that I am not an LEO yet. I am a Security Officer. I have been a Security Officer for 12 years. I also worked as a Corrections Officer for 2 years. I am very knowledgeable when it comes down to what I do, but it does not make me an expert. I have had lots of training some of which some was LE accredited. I even tried to join the military when I was younger. I scored well on the ASVAB. I wanted to be a MARINE. The MOS that I wanted was either Military Police or FireFighter. I was disqualified due to medical reasons (my feet). But at least I tried.

I am now in my mid 30's, happilly married and I am trying to get back into shape so that I can become an LEO. It does not matter if I want to be a fulltime LEO or a reserve LEO. I just want to serve my community and keep people safe.

I totally agree with what the LEO's here on PoliceLink are telling you. If you want to be respected then you have to earn it. Even as a Security person, I have been able to earn the respect from Police Officers and others. I know that I have even earned it here on this site.

Like SeanJon stated like so many others, if you write a report and it goes to court you are going to lose very quickly. There are lawyers out there that have time to tear your report apart. They are looking for flaws, mistakes, grammar and anything else that is going to ruin your reputation. Yes, I even went through this while working Security. I had to write reports to cover my butt. I had a supervisor that told me what would happen if I did not have a good report. They saved my butt because everything was well documented. You really need to work on your spelling and grammar. These guys will ruin your life and your credibility. I knew a Police Officer a few years ago that ended up having his reputation ruined.

You are 18 you have a lot of growing up to do.. Just because you were an explorer does not mean crap.  People get hurt, killed, robbed, beat up, get sued and more. This is the REAL world.

If you want to be an LEO then you need to work on your writing and communication skills. You also need to try and get a degree and while doing that you need to be in good shape..

grayfoxthe5th says ...

to comprimise with you i have two little brothers, and the stuff that gets them upset is stuff thats so small to me but the world to them. i do see that the whole life ex thing does come in play. im sorry if i offended anyone with my commit. but im sorry i do bleave that i would be a great LEO, i react very well to solving problems and nutralize them very quickly, anyone who disagees sorry the age limit isnt going to change unless its voted.

We're just not getting through to you. You state "sorry the age limit isnt going to change unless its voted". You're point being? The emphasis of what we have been saying is that you are demonstrating by your comments that you do not yet have the maturity to work as a LEO. I don't (and I doubt others do either) care about the age limit. Any LEO can tell you that you're not getting hired anytime soon.

You are also wrong about the issue being voted on. No vote is required. After having issues with certain new officers who were hired right after high school, the hiring board unofficially decided to not hire anyone under 25. They can find a reason to disqualify anyone, so they are pretty much are passing over everyone under 25 to this day. It took some people a few years to get hired by them until they were old enough.

It's not the military where you get to sign up once you reach the minimum age. So making a statement that sounds vaguely like "I'm old enough so I'm going to go do it anyway" in it's substance is pretty much lost on us. Believe it or not, we're actually giving you a mental slap to grow up for your own good. Glad you think you will "be a great LEO" but from I have seen thus far, I have to completely disagree. I have been hired by several agencies during my career so I know what agencies look for in a candidate. I have also sat on a hiring board and interviewed applicants personally so I know a good deal about the hiring process. But since I'm not telling you what you want to hear, don't pay attention and go waste everyone's time.

For someone who claims to "react very well to solving problems and nutralize them very quickly" you haven't handled yourself particularly well while posting here on PL. You have all the time in the world yet you seem to not think about your statements before you post them. Even you have acknowledged this. You have not addressed my previous questions regarding your comments to news articles which I cited to illustrate my point about you needing to gain some maturity.

The first thing you need to do is get over yourself. Don't bother talking about how good you're going to be. You haven't done anything yet so it means nothing. People that keep talking about how great they would be as a cop usually wouldn't be. Sometimes they end up standing in front of a mirror playing cop or going around as a poser. You know what posers (including the two I have dealt with directly) say? They always talk about what a great cop they would make. But something always held them back like their weight, a physical disability, they couldn't write well or pass the hiring process.

You can man up and take the advice people have given you here or just continue thinking that you know better than all of us and end up talking to yourself in front of a mirror.

grayfoxthe5th says ...

im not saying that i know more than you at all. I do get a head of my self, but i do appreciate the advice that you all give. i have plenty of time to work on my spelling and gramer.the commits on the previous threds like the shooting, is an officer safety issue the kid could have turned around and shot the officer, i do know that most of the shots miss during a shoot out due to the adrenaline rush, heart rate and tunnel vision it was a jokeing commit but in the same, its an officer safety issue. i know that your going to tell me somthing different than that, but you cant argue the fact that if someone was shooting at you to put you six feet under and away from your family you wouldnt shoot hopeing that you would hit them.

i would highly suggest you take a time out and read your post. It makes not sense, you need to work on your vocabulary, spelling and grammar. You have used the word commit at least twice in your last reply.

Commit- to give in trust or charge

did you mean

Comment- a remark, observation, or criticism

How can anyone take you or your "comments" seriously when they can not understand them and they appear to be written a third grader

grayfoxthe5th says ...

im not saying that i know more than you at all. I do get a head of my self, but i do appreciate the advice that you all give. i have plenty of time to work on my spelling and gramer.the commits on the previous threds like the shooting, is an officer safety issue the kid could have turned around and shot the officer, i do know that most of the shots miss during a shoot out due to the adrenaline rush, heart rate and tunnel vision it was a jokeing commit but in the same, its an officer safety issue. i know that your going to tell me somthing different than that, but you cant argue the fact that if someone was shooting at you to put you six feet under and away from your family you wouldnt shoot hopeing that you would hit them.

Once again, still not taking any advice. Do not presume to tell me about officer safety. How many times have you been in combat? How many officer involved shootings have you been in? How many times have you had someone at gunpoint? None? Don't try to lecture me or backtrack from your comment on that news article. Do you really think we are that stupid?

I have had more people try to kill me than you can imagine, so don't try to throw some over-dramatic "put you six feet under and away from your family" nonesense at me. As a LEO there are times that you need to exercise restraint, even at risk to yourself. There are times that officers have fired upon someone, miss unintentionally, and the subject stops hostile action out of fear. So do you keep shooting, or demonstrate that you can use your head? The officer you criticized showed proper restraint. Don't try to say it was a joke when you are called on it.

One quick example: during a house entry I had a subject (who was known to be armed) at gunpoint in his bed, after kicking in his bedroom door. Another officer and I had him at gunpoint demanding he surrender. In the meantime, he was looking for his gun in the sheets. After multiple verbal commands I knew he wasn't going to comply. If we let it play out, he would produce the weapon eventually and we would have painted the walls with his brains. Instead, I said to "Dennis, he's going to go for it" and without a further word, we both rushed him. After a brief struggle, we subdued him. His gun was a fake. A perfect mock-up. We saved his life by placing our own safety in danger. But that's the job. So don't lecture me or any other LEO about something you know nothing about. Maybe you should also go look at the thread about the abuse of the term "officer safety" if it isn't in an officer only section. Here ends the lesson.