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Psd_fox_max50

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Posted about 7 years ago

 

In the state of Georgia a juvenile is anyone under the age of 17. How many of you have had to fight/wrestle with a juvenile?

I had one decide he wanted to wrestle yesterday. He and his parents got in a an argument so he decides to leave. Family calls the police and I respond. i see him walking and stop to talk with him first. I get out of my car and say "Hey, came here let's talk" His response? "F you! I ain't talking to no body!"
Anyway, long story short he kept trying to pull away so he met the back of my car and then the ground, we both got skint up knees, but it was better than tazing a 16 year old kid.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Glad you're okay (aside from the knees!).

That has to be a tough position to be in-- a 16 yo is basically an adult, physically, but in other ways they're still kids. Could be tougher deciding how you want to respond as far as tazing goes, or OC.

And yet, you might not have a choice, either. The fact he's a "kid" doesn't mean he can't kill you.

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HA! i have met 14 year olds that could pass for 19-20! Chaplain, your right, kids can kill you just as easy as adults. I knew it wouldn't come to OC or the taser. He was more passive resistant. Once he was on the ground he stayed there with little force needed.

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fact is i dont check IDs before i decide if i can use force to effect an arrest.. the supreme court dosent think so either.

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You can never under estimate the power and capability of anyone, no matter how young or old for that matter. A 12 year old and a 60 year old can both pull out a gun and pull a trigger.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I can think of three officers just off the top of my head in my department that have been shot by juveniles. One of those was killed during a stuggle and the officer was shot with his own gun. Never under estimate the killing potential of a teenager.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

You're right NavyDennis, 16 is not an adult. But you can count on the fact that if a 16 year old wants to fight, he is gonna get a fight and get his ass kicked. I don't care that he is 16. He wants to act like an adult, I'll treat him that way.

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I worked with and next to juvi for a while and to be honest, I don't think I could ever do it again. The trouble element seemed to think they were indestructable and untouchable. This made negotiations quite a shaky endeavor. They would lash out with everything they had thinking (sometimes knowing) you could not respond in kind due to their age. Give these kids their due. They can be as, if not more, formitable than any adult. One problem is they don't have as much to lose and don't weigh the consequences. Juvi is rough, and we all know that kids can and do kill. Just read the news.


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Kirlian-fingerprints_max50

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Just look at the Columbine High School Massacre. This speaks a thousand words about how some juveniles can be.... We have a un solved murder here in Utah they said a juvenile about the age of 16, 17 killed a pregnant woman, raped her and stole her jewelry. They have reason to believe it was done by a juvenile by the evidence... The point of it is to never under estimate a juvenile as they can be as deadly as anyone else.


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Kirlian-fingerprints_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Yes but that was not Juveniles nor was the one here in Utah at trolley square that just happen this last year. The kid was 18, cops killed him...


“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent”
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Swat11_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I don't think the Virgina Tech shooter was a juvenile. He was a student at the school.

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Juvenile or not...like tjb307 says...if they want to act like an adult they are going to ge treated like such. Basically if a juvenile wants to initiate a fight, I'll fight him as if he was an adult, if he wants to run from me, I'll treat him as an adult, if he pulls a gun on me, yup, you guessed correct.

About 15+ years ago I was confronted by a 12 year old gang-banger who had ran from a traffic stop I initiated. When I caught the kid he swung around on me and pointed a weapon at me. Initial reaction was to dump the little shit, but something told me the situation just wasn't the right time to shoot. I dont know why but instinct told me not to shoot. Dont get me wrong, I wanted to shoot and everything in my training and my mind told me to dump the kid, but my heart couldnt let me do it. It's a good thing because the kid had an exact replica of a Baretta 92f 9mm. You wouold have never been able to tell the difference in daylight let alone at night where I was. So instead, I holstered my weapon, walked over to the kid and smacked it out of his hand. Stupid, yes, but I was confident the my instinct was right on the money. This time it was. It saved me from having to take a 12 year olds life and I still thank God to this day for watching over me that night. Scared the kid straight...literally. He bailed on gang life and ended up finishing school, went to college and currently works for the California Dept of Corrections in Tracy, Ca.

So, Navydennis, you little smartass...it doesnt matter age, it's more maturity and mentality...a couple of things you abviously need to learn about before you THINK about doing anything in LE. Besides, some states will prosecute you as an adult, depending on the crime, at age 16. Here, you can receive state prison time as a 16 yr old. Granted CYA keeps you 'till you turn 18, but the day you turn 18 the general population of one of these hard core maximim security prisons gets your pretty young ass. Navydennis, do me a favor and do your research on these subjects before you continue making a complete ass of yourself. Personally it gives me a laugh, but I hate seeing young people make mistakes that haunt them their whole life/career.

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This also runs across the board even with female juveniles. There are some officers that will treat these little girls as if they were brakeable. Especiallysome, not all, male officer's they become uneasy to treat a female juvenile how they should be treated when they're acting like a bad ass. If these young people want to play with the big boys and girls then they're going to be treated like a big boys/girls, which they may regret in the long run. It just doesn't matter anymore who you are or how old you are. I've come to the point where I treat every call as if someone might be wanting to end my life, regardless if it's a 90 year old or a 12 year old punk. We can't really trust anyone any more.

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Try working with the "Youth of our future" as I say at work. I am a Juvenile Correctional Officer and it is a tough job to have. You have all these different agencies breathing down your neck because they are juveniles. I used to work in a Federal Prison (Community Corrections) for nearly 3 years and I did not have to put my hands on any inmate unless it was shaking their hand wishing them good luck. I have been in juvenile corrections for just over a year and I have been into roughly 7 dozen fights with them. One of them about a month ago bit me on my leg, broke skin, damn near ripped my arm off, clawed my face and neck (severe mental case and off his meds). I got put under investigation for excessive use of force because I put my two fingers up his nose and pulled his head back to get the jaws of life off my leg. End result, I get cleared of the charges and he will be getting 5 years for aggrevated assault on a peace officer. All I have to say is be careful, they can be just as dangerous as adults.

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Oh and sorry Darkness536, I do have to correct you. I work for the Georgia Department of Juvenile Justice. A juvenile is any individual under the age of 17 and a first time offender. Up to age 21 if he/she is still under probation in the Juvenile System. We presently have a youth detention center (prison) that houses kids 17-21 years of age.

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SGT: In God we Trust, All others we run threw AFIS

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Got a gangmember with a gun today and another one two weeks ago. Both were teens. My partner arrested a teenaged banger this past Sunday(I took the day off) for carrying a gun. Kids are effen crazy.

Psd_fox_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Thanks viperrob, I know there is something in the books about under 17 unless they are a deprived child or mentally challenged..something like that. :) Didn't know about the first offender and probabtion...

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Darkness536, I am not a leo , But i work security at low income housing projects. I have had to fight with and wrestle 12 - 17 year olds, ive had a 14 year old pull a gun, luckily he dropped it before i had to shoot him (another damned airsoft gun, I hate them things). And ive taken several guns off kids. About the fighting thing, Kids these days are f---ing huge, so not only will they try, but they have the size to put up a decent fight. luckily it all works out for the best on my end most of the time. No matter how old they are, I am going home at the end of my shift No matter what.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

JD you made me think... if you would have shot him, would you have gotten in trouble? I mean, he was clearly threatening your life?

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To, Supertrooper the answer is No, for two reasons 1. The kid had a fake gun that looked exactley like my glock in every way shape and form, After he was detained i looked at the gun and only on the bottom of the clip(that was also removeable) did it say airsoft, the rest was stamped with the glock logo just exactley like a real glock. So there was no way that a i could tell that it was fake. 2. The kid was in a park full of children, so it was not only my life that could have been in danger but the kids lives as well.

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Well he is lucky he put it down, good job.

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Chicago - A disgruntled teenager, angry at being grounded for missing a family dinner, killed his father, a Chicago police officer, by shooting him in the back, the Chicago Sun-Times reported on Thursday.

The boy allegedly planned the murder, making sure he had enough time to hack his way into the family safe to get his hands on a gun before his father got home from work, investigators told the daily.

Taking a tip from the Jodie Foster movie Panic Room the teenager used a hammer to get into the safe after first working with a power drill and screwdriver.

The boy allegedly waited for his father in a second floor room and shot him in the back as he fled back down the stairs, after spotting the guns.

The boy was charged as a juvenile with murder Wednesday and was being held without bond, the daily said. - Sapa-AFP - ANY QUESTIONS????????????????????????????????????????????

Kirlian-fingerprints_max50

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Doctorlako,

You know how many times do you hear or get called out on a juvenile beating up their mom or parents. I say kick their ass and give that child something to think about. This goes back to the people are afraid of disciplining their children, because of the fact if they do their going to jail. Well this is what I have to say if we don’t start disciplining our children who is (besides the military) and this world is going to be chaos in the next 50 years.

The other day I was at the store and my youngest and middle one started in, the middle one knew I was pissed and my youngest keep pushing. I was fallowed through the store by this guy as every time I said something to them I was glared at. Well I get out to the parking lot and she was keep about 12 feet from me, (THIS really gets under my skin) I told her come on so you don’t get hit by a car (Wal-Mart drivers) She told me NO! Well when I got close enough to her she ran as she ran I grabbed her by her arm went to pick her up and I’m getting kicked in the head. SO I Flat out paddled her ass picked her up grabbed her legs so she couldn’t kick me and put her in my car, I had a few choice words with her; As I turn around this same guy is glaring at me, and I LOOKED at him as said “WHAT! You want to control them? Stare harder and wait (as I right my plate number down) here is my plate number, I handed it to him and said now call the cops asshole.... I could have blew on him and he would have feel over, but the point is if I just let her get away with that how is she going to be when she’s a teen? Well I don’t want to know and I’m not going to find out.... I think I was more pissed being followed than what my daughter was doing. But tell you what I beat she will never do that again to me….


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Clover, I feel your pain and understand you comments. However, I don't know about juvenile agencies in other states, but in Georgia, we have Dept of Family and Child Services, Dept of Corrections, DJJ Investigations, Georiga Bureau of Investigations, Federal Dept of Justice and many other departments looking over our shoulder. Unfortunately, most of these kids just don't care. It is a chain reaction, their parents are in prison, their grandparents are either in prison or tasked with taking care of them. I had a juvenile tell me a couple of months ago, (just before he turned 17 and up on charges of rape and murder), that he finally gets to see his dad. Unfortunately, these are the kids that will replace the current prison population and there is nothing society or the system can or will do about it. I had a fellow Sgt. mention in briefing one day - "These kids are spoken for by the system. They are nothing but $$ to the justice system." The sad thing is the he is absolutely right. I used to work in the Federal Prison System in Las Vegas. Every case file I reviewed before we got the inmate revealed the same data, 90% of committed youth will serve time in either State or Federal prison. We had an inmate that had been in and out of Federal prison since age 15 with a murder conviction. He came to us at age 68. I personnally sent him back behind the wire fence due to finding contraband (knives) in his cell.

So as I said in my last post: Be careful, don't take these kids lightly. They are just as dangerous as adults. And in some cases more dangerous.

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I am only 5'1'. I know elementary school kids who are taller than me. Age should not determine that amount of force needed. The persons size and the circumstances should determine the level of force used. If things are going south and it looks like I might lose, I will use any force necessary to ensure that I WILL GO HOME TONIGHT! I am more justified in using a higher level of force, because of my size, on a smaller suspect than ODIN would be. Murderers are getting younger and younger, they might be 10, but they can still blow your head off.


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Yeah our officer that was shot and killed in June was shot by a fifteen year old with an M-1 Garand. It's scary that a fifteen year old could have access to that weapon and the ammunition. Its scary to imagine all the juveniles out there right now that are carrying guns.

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I had to deal with a bunch of teens who were tresspassing recently. They rode their bikes through the hospital and when asked to leave refused. They mouthed off to me and claimed they were "bloods" (the gang of course) One of the teens said to the other, " Watch me drop this B@#$% I'm little only 5'1 and I immediately called for assistance. Being that I'm the only female when they saw the two other security officers they left the premises. I called the local police department and reported it to them. Those teens were scared when they saw the police showed up. I think nowadays most teens are just growing up too fast. A 12yr old looks like a 19yr old. It's scary.