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The Sarge, were the FTF's ammo related? I know that Remington uses some hard primers on their lower end ball ammo and that causes problems (no matter what gun you use).

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GTS197, no, sir, not ammo related.


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Most of the FTF incedents with glocks are the ammo or magazine. however Sarge since its not the ammo the very first thing that comes to mind is the trigger bar isnt connected, the second thing is that its not getting enough firing pin protrution ( spelling, been along day). which could be either the firing pin spring isnt the right length, or the ammo isnt chambering all the way. But anyway, I've had FTF issues with Berettas, Sigs, S&W and a number of them with H&K believe it or not. Since the Frogmen were brought up ill add my two cents. Ive worked on some weapons for those guys before in Iraq. They had Beretta M9's for the most part and one guy had Sig 226 with a suppressor. MIL SF are on different accounts then the rest of the military. So, basicly they can buy and use whatever they want. There is no standard pistol or carbine, or knife for that matter.

Still like Glocks tough. As a matter of fact, the Combat Search and Rescue guys or ( CSAR PJ's) down here at Moody, they carry Glock 21 45's.


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Oh and TheSarge, Glock test fires their pistols at the factory before they send them out. Before issue these pistols should be fired and qualified with, right? So, another option is that the officers didnt assemble their Glock back together right. I dunno, my other instructors were looking at the tread and thought it was weird. Hope yall get that worked out soon!


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Only issue I ever heard of, was the Kb's that guys were having with the .40. This was caused by hot loads, the gun's unsupported chamber, or a combination of both. Of course these were catastophic failures and not FTF's.

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Sarge was it faluire to fire or faluire to feed, If it was faluire to feed it is operator error. The Glock works on blow back so if officers are limp wristing it will cause a faliure to feed. GTS197 said it best, Special Operations forces choose weapons based on mission specifics. The SEALS do carry the Sig and 1st SFOD(Delta) still prefer the 1911. methodeous has to carry M9 and I have to carry the Sig P226. But any gun will do as long as the operator will.

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2 to the chest, 1 to the head. hell gimme a hi-point 9mm ill make that sucker work!


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Roger That methodeous!!

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Most of the SOCOM guys prefer the 1911 (to include SFOD-D). There was a recent deal where the Marines were wanting to go to the 1911 for their expeditionary force (Voila'...the Kimber Warrior). Not sure if it happened or not.

It was a "failure to fire", according to TheSarge.

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I work with a 30 yr retired Marine, his son is Recon I will check with him and see about the Kimber. And that is strange about the failure to fire, never had that happen with a Glock.

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Sounds good, always wondered if they went back to it. I believe that Unertl (yes, the scope company) also built one for the Marines. Think it was called the "Meusoc?" There was an article about it in GWLE about a year and a half ago. I'll see if I can find it.

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I've had no problem with the P226. I've seen a few get rusty but that's when a guy never cleaned or oiled it. I also carry a .38 snubby for backup. It still looks new.

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Methodeous, GTS, and Air: Thanks for the input. All the stuff you guys addressed was also looked at as far as mechanical stuff that can go wrong. I wrote to GTS on a separate email that the issue was a serialized problem. Those guns with the problem were sequestered and vaulted down. Glock handled it personally and recognized the problem. They provided the 'part' (whether improved or replaced, I don't know...) and there were still problems. Had there been a huge issue, I am sure Glock would have made some kind of global announcement or recall. I am not an armorer so I cannot intelligently address those matters you guys talked about as possible answers. And to answer precisely: It was a failure to fire and not a feed problem. Ammo was ruled out. The mystery problem is still a mystery to me. I just put out the info to see if anyone else had a problem in the same genre.

For info, my SEAL buddy and his Team uses the P226 and hasn't had any problems. But, heck, their resources are incredible and he gets to use dream guns I can't even touch.


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I have personally shot both of the guns. Point blank, I always go with the sig. My duty weapon is the sig p226 and my personal is the sig p229. Both of the guns are the .357 sig round which I would not trade for anything. I love mt sigs and personally Glock will not be the weapon of my choice.

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I know alot of people that love sigs and alot of people that hate sigs, that goes for glock as well it really depends on the person on what feels good to them when they are shooting and whats comfortable to them when holding it.... for saying which one is better? Well they both can kill people so I guess there both good weapons. And really if you think about it your weapon is only as good as the person using it =)

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I own Glocks, Sigs, HK's, and 1911's. But when it comes to work I carry my Glock 21 SF.. and I carry a Glock 27 off duty. they are simple, accurate and go bang every time you want them to..


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GTS, Ive seen alot of SF guys carring older colt 1911s that they trick out themselves ( or come to me to do cause they have no flipin clue how to :). Amazingly one of the groups , i cannot remember the unit prefix but they were issued beretta briggaders, and glock 19's. they hated both, and brought the berettas by for a monthly check up.For some reason they kept having problems with them. I thought it was cool how they actually BLEW ONE UP! When I asked then how they did it I got the age old answer...... I dunno.

ALSO: i guess the word on the "45 trails" never really got out. It was suspended indefinitely over a year ago. Still, all services are trying to get new and bigger cal weapons. The last Combat Arms conference my boss came back from. It was already in writting that the Air Force was supposed to be working a big contract with SIG for the 226 or 228 i cannot remember which. Also it was passed through the grape vine that the Marines were getting or have Glock 22's. As always, Ill believe it when i see it.


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Tick,, how do you like your 21SF? I was the first person in south GA to get one.. one month later i got rid of it. Nothing wrong with the pistol really. Just, still to big for my tiny little gnome hands. But still a great choice, I really did like the ambi-mag release.


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It's always something when you deal with the Government...Thanks for the input on the .45 non-trials.

I know that the P228 has been in service for years as the M11, is this to be a seperate contract or a renewal?

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Methodeous, I Love my 21 SF. I have carried a Glock 21 for several years but it was just a tad too big.. The SF is perfect. I also carry a glock 30 for back up. Takes same magazines.. As for the Ambi-mag release I love it, I am the department firearms instructor. I was able to speed up my reloads by a large margin..


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totally seperate GTS. From what I understand, The AF is looking to replace the M9 Altogether because of " problems with the pistol and lack of knock down power". OK, well i train over 600 airmen here on how to use their M9's and what to do if they get a stoppage or malfunction. The choice is being made by someone who shines a seat with their arss. The 9mm has been killing people for a century now. And this isnt the best example to use but, " the nazi's didnt have any trouble killing millions with 9mm rounds, and i dont remember hearing to many of them complaining about knock down power". ( quote was from a ole' WW2 vet ) But anyway, yeah it wont happen unless the Army buys off on the deal since all our weapons have to go through an Army depot.
.................I still want us to have Glocks though. The brits, aussies, austrians, dutch and most of south american militarys use them, why cant we?


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Problems with the M9 I can understand...Sig will always trump Beretta, however how do they plan to solve the "knockdown power" issue by switching from one 9mm to another?

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I have no clue buddy. Some General wants us to have .45's. But they dont think logisticly on this. Most of our troops nowadays across the board have a tough time with griping and handling the 9mm. And now they wanna put a high capacity 45 in these troops hands.

Ive only been in for 5 years, but man i gotta get out of this. to much politics involved with whats is or isnt gonna save mine and my fellow soldiers lives.


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I am an experienced firearms instructor with range master duties at many reruit and firearms instructor schools at a few different academies. From my prospective, Glock makes the best duty weapon out there. Why did we go to semi autos in the first place? We went for more rounds available, right? There was no external safety on a revolver, but no-one did not use them because of it. Thats the biggest thing I hear from users of other semi autos, the safety and decock features. When you take the gun out of the holster, it's because you intend to use it. If you have to draw, decock, take the safety off and then fire, that takes time. I have seen many weapons on the line for many thousands of rounds. Glock is the best performer without a doubt. Thats why most LE agencies choose it. It is easy to instruct a new recruit , or an in-service experienced officer how to use, and it is dependable. I like the trigger pull on the Sig, (After the first one), but Glock gets my vote.

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I have a sig p226 and and Glock 22. I have never had a misfire in either. If i had to choose which one i like better, the sig would edge out the glock. I like the way it feels in my hands and overall, I just feel a little more comfortable with it.

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I agree with the ergonomics of the Sig being more than the Glock and a big part of what firearm you're more comfortable with, is how it feels in your hand. That being said, I would still go with the Glock for a myriad of other reasons.

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I bet she's shooting a GLOCK. I have a concealed carry permit here in NY and love my XD40!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-yT5NC4cPM

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Negative...that would be a Beretta.

Great training video for "trigger discipline".

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This is an interesting discussion but I think what it all comes down to is no matter the Glock or the Sig or whatever else you choose, know your weapon, take care of your weapon, and choose the one that works for you the best. I don't really have an opinion on either the Glock or the Sig except that they are both fine firearms. I don't carry either one and my department only went to the Glock recently. The Sig is not an option. I carry a Smith & Wesson .45 and switched to that from the Department issued Beretta 9MM. I do not want to switch again for the simple fact that I just do not have the time to make that transition. I believe that to make a radical transition from one to the other would require hours of training at the range before I would feel comfortable carrying it on the street. I also just don't want to put out the expense of purchasing another firearm either. Last comment on the discussion at hand. Glock or Sig dosen't matter if your not training with it. Shooting is a perishable skill and some time must be dedicated to practicing and not just at your department mandatory qualification. The best firearm in the world will not save your life as well as one of the worst firearms in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

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BCPS, Has LAPD completely transitioned from the Beretta to the Glock?

I gather from reading your post that your S&W is a privately owned weapon. What's on LAPD'S approved list?

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