General Forums >> The Lobby >> COPS ONLY and some civilians apparently,Going for my CJBAT and PAT test

Rate

COPS ONLY and some civilians apparently,Going for my CJBAT and PAT test

3,639 Views
35 Replies Flag as inappropriate

0 posts

back to top

Posted over 5 years ago

 

I am going to test for a LEO for the Florida Highway Patrol July 29. My only concern is my military history. I was in the Marine Corps for 6 weeks. I got ELS (Entry Level Separation). I didn't get failure to adapt or anything like that. Its really a long story.


My recruiter told me that because of the Civil Service Act Form, My family could not be evicted, my car cant be towed and ALL my utility bills would be put on hold until i return. My spouse could even use the wages that i earned in boot. Just take my information to boot and have it directed deposited in my account. My recruiter had severely lied to me and my family.It left my family (girlfriend and my two little girls) without water, electric, and a roof. My car even got towed. I found out that i HAD to use the marine corp recruit bank account. I could not direct deposit my money into my joint account with my spouse. On top of that, I was the only one with a  job! So NO money was coming in while i was gone for 2 months.


After telling my story to....at least 5 SDI and 3 Capt's. They too could not believe what i was told. They said that he SSAF was for people that get drafted!! One DI ( a Kill Hat) told me to see the mad doc and tell them whatever i could..just get home to your family. So i came up with every story under the sun. Still they would not let me go home and get my family off the streets (well they went from friends house to friends house). They said they had to have a legal reason to send my home. So i told them that " I just cant take it anymore" And BAM! Those were the magic words. I was ELS and sent home in 2 weeks.


They did give me a ELS, Uncharacterized discharge, RE-3F re-enlistment code, Fraudulent Enlistment (prior medical history) and Erroneous enlistment and very nasty bus ride home with my war bag and some stamps.


To get to the question. Should i or should i not go to Orlando to take the test and risk humiliating myself? This is what i really want to do for the rest of my life. Maybe step up to U.S Marshall or Game Warden. Any information at all would be great. Would i be fine if i just explined what happend to me?


Thank you for reading.


I was also told that since it was ELS (under180 days) i didnt have to ever list my military journey. Is this true?

0 posts

back to top
-3

Rated -3 | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Ummm I am not an officer and i am new to this but i have read up on alot of things because I am  Trying to become an officer .


But what i have learned so far is to not lie and to be honest . If you want to move up you will be checked out ,, So  if i was in your position i would take the test and release all information if you have nothing to hide dont leave anything out. Plus  you should have some sort of discharge  papers shouldn't you..   explaning the situation?

0 posts

back to top
-1

Rated -1 | Posted over 5 years ago

 

I have discharge papers.  I couldn't read them until i was on the bus. ( didn't have time) When i finally did read the 80 something page packet. There was nothing in there about my story. I didn't get mad. I mean, do you think the Marine Corp would admit to any blame. NO WAY!!!


So the only proof that i have is a very nasty credit report


I was just one of those unlucky people you hear on the news about recruiters trying to do anything to enlist recruits and make there quota


.

-11 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Just be honest.  You wont know until you try.  Good luck m8.

0 posts

back to top
-1

Rated -1 | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Will the fact that i says. Fruadelent Enlistment Into Military Service make the highway patrol throw my app out the window?

Calico_jack_max50

1219 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Are you asking for advice or wanting to complain about the military


drink up me 'arties yo ho

avast ye don't ask we be friends if 10 post we not shared

AARGH ye be prepared to kiss the gunners daughter if I be crossed

0 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

What?!?! Ok. I am done here

Calico_jack_max50

1219 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

I am not trying to be rude. But you are not the first person with a hard luck story. So what is it we can do to help in the law enforcment area?


drink up me 'arties yo ho

avast ye don't ask we be friends if 10 post we not shared

AARGH ye be prepared to kiss the gunners daughter if I be crossed

Calico_jack_max50

1219 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

I was just trying to get him to talk and tell us about hisself


drink up me 'arties yo ho

avast ye don't ask we be friends if 10 post we not shared

AARGH ye be prepared to kiss the gunners daughter if I be crossed

Calico_jack_max50

1219 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

No


Thanks for the help i smelled it but do not know the Marines


drink up me 'arties yo ho

avast ye don't ask we be friends if 10 post we not shared

AARGH ye be prepared to kiss the gunners daughter if I be crossed

Calico_jack_max50

1219 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Post and run


drink up me 'arties yo ho

avast ye don't ask we be friends if 10 post we not shared

AARGH ye be prepared to kiss the gunners daughter if I be crossed

-801 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

 Forgive me if I don't feel sorry for the OP. There was no need for him to get offended like that.....

Gator_max50

5488 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Maybe step up to U.S Marshall or Game Warden


You want to go test for FHP but you consider going to FWC (game warden) a "Step up" from FHP? Yeah sport, I wouldn't bother testing for FHP with that attitude about the Patrol and your lame-ass military story, I got your name and I'll maike sure it's a waste of your time if you do test!

Calico_jack_max50

1219 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Ya'll will have to keep tabs on this one i am going to go home now good luck


drink up me 'arties yo ho

avast ye don't ask we be friends if 10 post we not shared

AARGH ye be prepared to kiss the gunners daughter if I be crossed

0 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Marine Corp Recruit Bank account = Pacific Marine


Kill Hat = Sgt Tucker


ELS / Uncharacterized discharge = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_discharge   &n...; http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070427143002AAYe5kV&n...; http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/military-forum/308043-uncharacteri...; http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1052903 &nbs...; http://www.911jobforums.com/archive/index.php/t-3428.html


anything else?


 


PVT Alan Spurlock 3rd BAT Co. H Pla 2161 MCRD SD....since you dont belive i went threw a part of it.


I already said my dd-214 says....


All i wanted to know is if this would hurt me. IF I GAVE MY STORY BEHIND IT...but only if they ask. I was also told that i didnt have to list my military journey since i was ELS.


 


Bro, you didnt smell anything.

20140808_191221_max50

3711 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

I thought you were done.


Broncos Nation

Calico_jack_max50

1219 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

I will let the Marines check you out but you should read the rules of the site before you start crying about your feeling getting hurt.


drink up me 'arties yo ho

avast ye don't ask we be friends if 10 post we not shared

AARGH ye be prepared to kiss the gunners daughter if I be crossed

Gator_max50

5488 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

coheedisdead says ...



Marine Corp Recruit Bank account = Pacific Marine


Kill Hat = Sgt Tucker


ELS / Uncharacterized discharge = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_discharge   &n...; http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070427143002AAYe5kV&n...; http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/military-forum/308043-uncharacteri...; http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1052903 &nbs...; http://www.911jobforums.com/archive/index.php/t-3428.html


anything else?


 


PVT Alan Spurlock 3rd BAT Co. H Pla 2161 MCRD SD....since you dont belive i went threw a part of it.


I already said my dd-214 says....


All i wanted to know is if this would hurt me. IF I GAVE MY STORY BEHIND IT...but only if they ask. I was also told that i didnt have to list my military journey since i was ELS.


 


Bro, you didnt smell anything.



Go ahead and take that "Step up" Alan, FHP doesn't want you!

20140808_191221_max50

3711 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Read these.


http://policelink.monster.com/terms


Broncos Nation

Usmc_max50

414 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

shockusmc87 says ...



 


And to further intirate...you were not a medical discharge...u were a failure to adapt......The police department u apply to will call ur OICs and see what is behind ur discharge and better yet ask u and then verify through polygraph



I caught that too....he just couldn't hack it...He should have thought about his future before he decided to quit..As you said, every job will ask about military service.


People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men
stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
-George Orwell

0 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

The whole point of this was to see what would happen when they see Uncharacterized discharge. I know they will ask. I just wanted to know if they would let me explain or would they throw it to the side. I dont know how it got like this........amazing..... Man iam not lying.


 


but.....yeah.....thats pretty much it.


 


Thanks


once again


Fruad elist / prior medical history (had counelsing when i was a young lad.) = enlisting and not leting my recuiter or MEPS know. Let it out during boot when i found out that everyone turned down my CSAF and told me that was for people getting drafted. So i told them the one thing that i knew could get me out. Oddly i got a re-3f code...so the wait time is up, and she is a nurse now. i was thinking about going back. Since i dont have to worry about bills.....anyways. Thanks.


You didnt catch anything.....

Quickley-b240_max50

9551 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

xveronicax26 says ...



Ummm I am not an officer and i am new to this but i have read up on alot of things because I am  Trying to become an officer .


But what i have learned so far is to not lie and to be honest . If you want to move up you will be checked out ,, So  if i was in your position i would take the test and release all information if you have nothing to hide dont leave anything out. Plus  you should have some sort of discharge  papers shouldn't you..   explaning the situation?



Since you are new here this is just a piece of advise for you. When the thread says cops only...LEOs only...That is what it means....Doesn't mean for a civilian to answer the question. In the old days this mistake would get your account suspended. Please don't do it again!


"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis, do nothing." Dante

MODERATOR #2
PL Mentoring Team Member

Photobucket Honoring Our Fallen

-809 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Matt, what does 'Failure to Adapt' mean?

Lpd317_max160_1__max50_max50

672 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

 Hammie, it is a general term that covers anything from bed wetting to unsuitablity to military life


"I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." --Thomas Jefferson

"To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington

45089_396847393722850_1055776862_n_max50

4256 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

LOL I thought so too Gunning but I guess this dude/troll/phony/whatever changed his mind.


 


Gunning says ...



I thought you were done.



The glory of young men is their strength: and the beauty of old men is the grey head
- Proverbs 20:29

Nemo me impune lacessit

YaYa SuzieQ

Photobucket

-809 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

wcp3rd says ...



 Hammie, it is a general term that covers anything from bed wetting to unsuitablity to military life



Oh, well with the way he's acting, I'm guessing it was bed wetting...


Get the boy some pampers1

Photo_user_banned_big

-21 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

shockusmc87 says ...



coheedisdead says ...



The whole point of this was to see what would happen when they see Uncharacterized discharge. I know they will ask. I just wanted to know if they would let me explain or would they throw it to the side. I dont know how it got like this........amazing..... Man iam not lying.


 


but.....yeah.....thats pretty much it.


 


Thanks


once again


Fruad elist / prior medical history (had counelsing when i was a young lad.) = enlisting and not leting my recuiter or MEPS know. Let it out during boot when i found out that everyone turned down my CSAF and told me that was for people getting drafted. So i told them the one thing that i knew could get me out. Oddly i got a re-3f code...so the wait time is up, and she is a nurse now. i was thinking about going back. Since i dont have to worry about bills.....anyways. Thanks.


You didnt catch anything.....



 


You just hit the nail on the head....."I was going to go back, but I dont have to wrry about it anyways"....You one of the ones who wasnt joining for anyting more than a paycheck and benefits...prolly wouldnt of made it through bootcamp anyways...I saw ur kind get washed up all the time.


What was ur MOS? Admin Clerk?


I didnt catch anything?....How about ur bold face lie about finances? You think u were the first married person to take on bootcamp? Hmmm, lemme think if I can think of any others, o yea 30% of my platton was married and my 2 best friends were married and both had a 2 year old child and they made it fine....you finicial problem was ur lack of planning and led u take the easy way out


Do recruiters lie? YES....but u should still have some intiative to research urself....He told u u could stop bills in bootcamp? Any civilian could tell that was a crock of crap...he fed u a remixed version of the soldier/sailors act , which states during a deployment where u are over seas, u can put a hold on bills


Your Discharge= Coward.......Plain and Simple u took the coward route and being as we have a liberal society, they let u out to save ur own ass


Anything else?


The most u can ever say is I was a "Marine Recruit" cause we all know u never earned ur EGA. Way to go


Your a fraud and a coward.........I caught it all




Coheedisdead: You want a straight answer...yes, that is going to stand against you. Not only because of that slip of paper. But getting hired is a process I doubt you will endure. Most academies aren't a walk in the park either, IF you get hired. I've been through more than one academy and I've seen plenty of washouts. You admit you omitted vital information from the USMC, so that doesn't say much for your veracity. Integrity is something any department will look for.


Oh, so you have a DD-214? Considering the description of service is one line long, I wouldn't go barking about that too much. Shock, myself and many others here have considerably longer 214s. I bet you go around wearing a Marine tee-shirt or have a Semper Fi window sticker on your car.


Maybe I'm being harsh but seems like you're looking for someone to tell you your choices were alright and it will all be okay. You want to apply to a highly regarded LE agency and you are hoping they won't care about a fraudulent enlistment? Like me, I'm sure they want to know that they will be backed up by someone they can count on. So yes, that might just affect your application to any agency. I pull no punches. If I think someone has a chance, I will tell them so. If they are wasting their time, I tell them. You are wasting your time. Aspire to another line of work. Best of luck in whatever path you choose.

Female_bodysurfer_max50

8130 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Regarding public trust and the LEOs character, please allow this civilian leniency in this "COPS ONLY" topic -


coheedisdead -  Anyone considering law enforcement careers quickly learns LEAs place high ethical standards at the top of the list.   LEOs, witnesses for the State, must maintain unsullied character.  Your casual admissions of lying to the military offends sworn officers and military here at PL who take their oaths seriously.  A red flag.


Apparently, you never bothered to get any idea of what the job entails.  Another insult.  And red flag.


You describe enlisting in the military as a simple matter of financial convenience.  You casually describe using the discharge process as a convenience.  This admission of using the military as a revolving door for personal gain is a slap in the face to the PL community, many of whom have lost friends and family in war! You never bothered to get any idea of this community.  Another insult.  And red flag.  See a pattern?


Worse than your oafish opportunism, you lied about your psychological medical record rendering your enlistment fraudulent.  You sullied your record foolishly for gain.  This appalling combinaton of dishonesty, negligence and opportunism is precisely what the application process seeks to screen out! 


Yikes!

Usmc_max50

414 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

shockusmc87 says ...



These guys scared him off


 


That was an awesom video!!! 



People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men
stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
-George Orwell

165022_483433124340_700324340_5579498_4099343_n_max50

33 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Another straight answer...If your credit score is in the toilet, most agencies will not hire you.  You are seen as a high risk for corruption, ie. stealing. 

Next Page >