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This guy sounds like a window peeking pervert.


They often either have a dog or a dog leash so if caught they have an excuse!


I am glad your are learning to handle a weapom but as a part of that training learn the law as exactly and under what circumstances you can legally shoot a person.


Also get the mindset that you will use the weapon if necessary otherwise it is a danger to you as the bad guy may take it away and use it on you.


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Eeww, creep in my book.


It's good that you will be getting a gun and are learning to use it.


I hope your daughter is ok too.

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It's the window he was nearest that had me so upset. There are children's toys and climbers around the property. I'm opening a home day care. I don't know how long he was out there or if he was there while we were working in the barn and she was riding her bike. Thank God for big dogs.


I didn't know that's a common theme with people like this man, in having a leash or dog,  but I'll bet the deputy does. I'm sure he just didn't want to worry me. We are very lucky with the deputies we have here in the San Diego back country. 


I'll start looking into the laws today. If it comes to protecting my daughter's life and my life, if he's in the house he isn't there for a tea party. I know I could.


Thank you for your help. : )


 


 

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Thank you Dr. Hamme and Texas 2 Step. My daughter doesn't want to sleep in her room, for now. My two uncles are retired cops. I didn't want to say anything because they can't do anything from where they are but worry. Their neices have given them enough grey hairs, well one of them. The other, he must have worried a lot. He has no hair left.

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You know it's bad when people are snooping around rural areas.


And WCs right, peepers do usually have at least a lesh with them. There was an incident a few miles from me (A girl was having some friends sleep over) and a guy 'was lost' the girls father(a real hard ass but he's cool) pulled a shot gun on him. The guy ran and got tangled in the barbed wire fence. The deputy that responed found a leash and a polaroid type camera near where he was.


The guy is a registered sex offender. Creep.


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Dr. Hammie,


Thank you. I hate that it exists, but it's better to know about it than not.

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One of the reasons my father was a big holly bushes fan, we had a similiar incident happen when me and my sister were young and lived out in the woods, Dad planted holly bushes and cactus around all the kids windows, along with white rock that would make it uncomfortable to kneel down on and would leave a white residue if walked in.


 

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This REALLY bothers me. What have you done to secure your daughter's windows? If she likes to raise the window you know you can get window locks that keep the window from being opened more than a few inches. Also, did the officers check with the neighbor to verify that someone is supposed to be house sitting for her? Is there any way to get in touch with her? If he is a house sitter he should have an emergency number to reach her. Do you have a house alarm? (beside the dog) I know its tough on her but keep her at the house. No going to the barn without you. No playing outside until you get some answers.


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Oh it's no problem at all and I wish the best for you and your daughter.


 


Martin_Riggs, that was smart, a deterant from the get go.

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Thank you Cat_D. Her bedroom is on the second floor. We do have screws in the windows to keep them from going up further, but it was mainly to keep little ones from falling. Even before this happened I never let any children outside alone, mine or anyone else's. We also have large preditors like mountain lions. I've always been overprotective. I drive a carpool to and from school each day. If kids are waiting for their parents after games, we wait together. The irony is that I'm a survivor of a very violent crime and we're here because it felt safer. You are so right in that you can't be too careful.


There isn't any way to get in touch with this woman. He didn't have an ID on him but gave his name to the deputy. I overheard a name I think, Brian and Warren. I'm not sure if those names are fist, middle, or last. He's fiftty-two. He has blonde hair and I couldn't tell what color eyes. He was maybe 5'10" and lives in the San Diego city area. He was wearing shorts and sandals - walking in the mountains. We know better than to walk at night here because it's prime time for our mountain lions. I thought he was on drugs too, but could only smell the alcohol. He couldn't keep his face still.


On our way back to the house on the road that fronts our property there was one other odd thing; there was another man walking in the opposite direction wearing a pair of shorts, tennis shoes,  but carrying a water bottle. By then it was about 10:00 PM. He didn't live or belong here either. I did wonder if they might have been together. 


 


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Scary situation. Dont ever take this lightly. Protect your daughter by whatever means necessary. I'd get some pepperspray and use it on him if he comes back.


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Amen. I found some pepper spray with mace that was packed away in the garage. I don't know if I'm allowed to have it, but it's here. My daughter doesn't know how much this scared me. I told her not to worry and that I'll keep us safe. She believes me. I feel very strongly that this could have gone very wrong. I don't know why, but this doesn't feel like it's over. I guess that's normal after something like this? I hope to God he doesn't come back.


 

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Get a pump shotgun, just the sound of the racking, will make their hair stand up.  Everyone knows that sound.


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Do you have motion detector lights set in the yard? if not, invest. If you are in an isolated area you have to plan for the worst and pray for the best. Run scenerios with your daughter. What would you do if this happened or where would you run if that happened. You know, mental prep. If you are survivor you know how to function through stark terror, TEACH THAT TO YOUR DAUGHTER. Been there done that. I was followed off the fair grounds in my home town. This is a small town where everyone knows everyone else. A carnie followed me and I had parked at my brother's house. I was grabbed in his back yard and a gun shoved in my face. I missed my gun (under my car seat) but I rolled out of the car and ran like a scalded dog. I was about 19 when this happened. Don't chase me in the neighborhood I grew up in, you wont catch me. We still go to the fair there everyyear. I still park on that same street. Of course I've had a lot more training but I've always had my children and not always had my husband be able to go with us. My kids knew what to do. Thats because we did scenerios what to do if someone approached us. They aren't scardy cats just cautious.


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That's some good advice. Thank you.

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Get a pump shotgun, just the sound of the racking, will make their hair stand up.  Everyone knows that sound.


 


Not only that bit it extremely hard to miss!!!!



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JIMROC says ...



Get a pump shotgun, just the sound of the racking, will make their hair stand up.  Everyone knows that sound.


 


Not only that bit it extremely hard to miss!!!!




Guys its also easy to shoot the wrong people without the proper training. Also, she needs advice she can put into play immediatly. You are two of the best out here, both of you normally give good advice with well thought out comments. What else can she do, out in the middle of nowhere with 2 ukn males lurking in the area?


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wagoncop says ...



JIMROC says ...



Get a pump shotgun, just the sound of the racking, will make their hair stand up.  Everyone knows that sound.


 


Not only that bit it extremely hard to miss!!!!



Guys its also easy to shoot the wrong people without the proper training. Also, she needs advice she can put into play immediatly. You are two of the best out here, both of you normally give good advice with well thought out comments. What else can she do, out in the middle of nowhere with 2 ukn males lurking in the area?
We're ahead of you already advised her on learning when to shoot and local laws on legal shoot!
But good thought!


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JIMROC says ...



Get a pump shotgun, just the sound of the racking, will make their hair stand up.  Everyone knows that sound.


 


Not only that bit it extremely hard to miss!!!!




Nope, my gauge is chambered. They'll know it's there when it goes bang.

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JIMRPOC - Thank you for the advice.


 


Cat_D - Thank you. We've done the fire drills, earthquake, and other drills, but never a scenario like the one you've advised, other than what consitutes an emergency. That's great advice. Thank you.

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Cat_D is absolutely right. In the school I go to, we have two to three fire drills a year, a tornado drill, and at least one lockdown drill per year. I go to school not too far from Columbine High School, so the district has several safety plans if there is a dangerous person in the area. One time in middle school, there was a police prusuit that ended about four blocks from the school. The school IMMEIATELY went into lockdown. Every exterior door was locked, and we hid in the corners of the rooms. The SRO got on the radio and began communicating with depputies outside the school and looking for the suspect who bailed. After about an hour, they found him hiding in a backyard, and took him into custody. He was less than a hundred yards from the school. I was glad that the school was able to ececute a plan to make sure everyone is safe.


Talk with your daughter and make sure she knows what to do if it happens again.


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This is a small town. Word gets out fast. I've had two offers of handguns, that I've turned down. One for the loan of a shotgun, I'm accepting. A family friend is a deputy in a town near us, he owned a gun shop for many years. He'll help me find the right gun and will teach my daughter and I both how to safely handle and shoot a gun.  My daughter's school called and offered to give free martial arts lessons for as long as she wants to do it. Our firefighter/paramedic/farrier friend will teach me how to handle the shotgun. This is why we live here. The people are amazing. Our neighbors have already checked in on us tonight. They're surrogate grandparents to my daughter. At the first noise all of our neighbors said they'd be here together.


Thank you very much, everyone.


 


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Will do. Having computer problems, so I hope this posts. Thank you again, everyone. God bless you and good night.


 

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This is a small town. Word gets out fast. I've had two offers of handguns, that I've turned down. One for the loan of a shotgun, I'm accepting. A family friend is a deputy in a town near us, he owned a gun shop for many years. He'll help me find the right gun and will teach my daughter and I both how to safely handle and shoot a gun.  My daughter's school called and offered to give free martial arts lessons for as long as she wants to do it. Our firefighter/paramedic/farrier friend will teach me how to handle the shotgun. This is why we live here. The people are amazing. Our neighbors have already checked in on us tonight. They're surrogate grandparents to my daughter. At the first noise all of our neighbors said they'd be here together.


Thank you very much, everyone.


 


Cat_D - I'm sorry that happened to you. Thank you, again.


 


 



That's fantastic how the school is going to sponsor a MA class for your daughter.

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You need to start a "track record "on this.....


1. Make sure the officer filed a report. Find out who the officer was. Get the guy's name. ask them to check him out (on the state/federal databases. They probably can't tell you much but in certain situations they can.


2. Send a letter to the address TELLING him to stay off your properity; TAKE  a copy to the police and talk to them. See if they can keep it and reference the officer's report. You may have to file a complaint/report to get this done. 


3. Ask if they can "keep an eye out"....   ask if there is an officer who regularly patrols your area and ask if he could stop by for a personal "heads up" on the situation. 


4. KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN ... tell your daughter the same. Get some pepper spray for you and her.


5.Others have pointed out that you talked rather casually about what you will do if he's in your house. 


 DON'T mess with a firearm until you have  really thought about it and talked with some of the officers you will have met by then about basic local instruction.


. Think about what you really need and what you can  handle under stress. If you decide you must , consider  a shotgun  you can handle....  Don't get a 12 gage until you know what it feels like.....  


And leave it at that.   Most people arn't willing to put in the time to learn to handle a handgun  properly. You don't just take a course on your stater's laws on self defense and just a 50 round checkout.


A handgun is generally ment to be carried. Deciding to carry is a serious decision. If you start thinking about it check out the U. S. Concealed Carry Association at www.USCONCEALEDCARRY.COM for  information about what serious licensed civilians worry about.   They're the decent men and women who decide that "a handgun's lighter  than regret" and get professional level training and tread a fine line. They're armed because the police can't be there to prevent most crime....  just investigate it after the fact,  but they do worry a lot.


Many don't even join the NRA because they know that fact may be waved in front of a jury as evidence  they're just a "Gun Nut"  It should be irrelevant but some judges don't see it that way. It's evidence of "state of mind"


..A licensed civilian is taught to never even show his weapon unless he has decided he is likely to have to use it. Otherwise he usually just makes the situation worse......  the other person will ASSUME he's going to use it and act accordingly.


If you think a mentally ill person can cause you trouble now just think what will happen if you kill one!   Even in your home if he isn't armed and a CLEAR threat  the Media will be all over you, the prosecutor is going to look at the situation with a magnifying glass......  His family could file a civil suit.......   .


They'll pull up your statement on this forum and use it to show that you had mallacious intent against him ALREADY......   you were just waiting for the poor impaired person to wander into your house when he was confused as you knew , from prior experience, he could be from time to time.


Heck I just presented an argument that would convict you before most criminal juries and definitely in a civil trial. If you think such things don't  hang them out for people to see for eternity.


Now you have to be doubaly careful.

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CAR223A - This is a lot to take in. I can handle the stress of it all. My thought this morning on waking up was that this is bigger than just our house and my child. There is an open house at school today. We moms here in Julian are alone with children for the majority of the time. Some like me, the husbands have left the picture. We're it. Our houses are so far from town that it would take a long time for help to arrive. I think the moms should all do this together as a group and encourage each other, practice together, and take the steps to secure our own properties.


I will do as you suggested in contacting the deputy and following up on who/what this person is. Thank you very much for the helpful information.

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Working as a group is an outstanding idea


Tell everyone to keep their eyes open and wait and see.


Maybe he's figured out that he needs to keep a low profile


It was one incident and we're speculating on his motives... Re-reading the original post  I was struck by the fact that he was not aggressive when you confronted him... ( pretty bold of you)


Can you talk to the woman who hired him ... how much does she know about him?


Might answer a lot of questions real fast


 

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The deputy didn't turn the report in. The owner of the house doesn't know anything about this. I've called the company her husband works for in an attempt to get ahold of them. I feel like a rear end for calling again and asking them to go to her house to see who this man really is, because he didn't have any identification on him. They're sending another deputy out.


I wasn't thinking when I confronted him. It wasn't smart. He was in the bushes where I couldn't see him. I wanted him in the light where I could see him. He could have gone anywhere and we would never have found him. This is truly mountain/rural. I wouldn't have been so bold without a 120 pound Newfie/rottie snapping and snarling at my side. She scared him to death, just enough to make him listen. I might have been able to call her off, but I'm not sure if I could have.  


 


Thank you for everything, CAR223A. : )


 

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AGAIN!!!!! We had been home from  the open house at school for about an hour. About the same time that my daughter saw the man and heard the footsteps on Sunday, there were footsteps outside her window again. We had to call 911 again.  I stayed in the house this time, though. If he is crazy enough to come back, he's off his rocker and I wouldn't be able to do anything. A deputy arrived, my daughter's friend's father, and checked the area but couldn't find him. This morning I went out where he was before and there were bushes flattened down where someone had been. It would have been standing up again if it had been four days since his last visit. After the deputy left last night, my daughter and I were upstairs working on her homework when we heard a loud thump against the house. The dogs were alreaady in the house. She slept in my room again. The other thing was the smell of cigarettes coming in the window. There have never been smokers here.

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