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Why We Must Fix Our Prisons " Whos got any ideas?"
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Posted about 4 years ago Why We Must Fix Our Prisons
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America's criminal justice system has deteriorated to the point that it is a national disgrace. Its irregularities and inequities cut against the notion that we are a society founded on fundamental fairness. Our failure to address this problem has caused the nation's prisons to burst their seams with massive overcrowding, even as our neighborhoods have become more dangerous. We are wasting billions of dollars and diminishing millions of lives. Drug offenders, most of them passive users or minor dealers, are swamping our prisons. According to data supplied to Congress' Joint Economic Committee, those imprisoned for drug offenses rose from 10% of the inmate population to approximately 33% between 1984 and 2002. Experts estimate that this increase accounts for about half of the dramatic escalation in the total number imprisoned over that period. Yet locking up more of these offenders has done nothing to break up the power of the multibillion-dollar illegal drug trade. Nor has it brought about a reduction in the amounts of the more dangerous drugs--such as cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamines--that are reaching our citizens. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Ideas? Sure... Execute people on death row and make inmates work if they want to have rec and yard |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Devoe212, first off don't take offense, it is not my intention. I looked at your profile, your a dispatcher with hopes of becoming LEO, great, but your views are and will be skewed. I'm a state correctional officer, I know and see first hand every working day what these inmates are capable of. First off, drugs and viloence go hand and hand, they are the scourge of this great nation, that little bit of weed usally leads to harder drugs, not always, but more times than your aware of. Right now your of the hug-a-thug mentality, if you see your dream of becoming an LEO come true, expect a rapid change of your views. Programs/programing, they do and can work, if the person/inmate is willing to apply themselves, most program simply because its court mandated or will lower their sentence, simple fact. What we should do in programing is not check them off as complete, if all they did was fill the check marks in, just for a reduced sentence. Death row, while I pesonally support the death sentence, I do belive the appeals process is correct to a degree, if we/this country are going to take a life we must be certain we have the right person before performing sentence. Most inmates are uneducated/under educated, with no desire to improve themself, prison becomes a way of life, three hots and a cot and you get to hang out with your boys. I personally know of one incident where we discharged an inmate and 18 minutes later had him back in B&R, he had thrown a brick into a store front window, sat down and waited for the police, he still had his wrist band on, told the officer he simply wanted to come home. Is that sad, yes, but how is that my or even your fault ? Semper Ducimus=(Always Lead) Lead - Follow - Or get the Hell out of the way ! |
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| Posted about 4 years ago The liberals don't care...they just want to post these kinds of articles so when crap hits the fan they can say "we did everything we could!" |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Riot says ...
Except hire and train staff (properly).
BTW sorry but I thought this forum was for verified LEO's only? The above comments are soley those of the poster and in no way reflect the position of the Department of Corrections. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago HapkidoKa says ...
It is...however, an "unverified" person can still see all the names of the threads and post a topic but they cannot read them...after an "unverified" person posts, they can't read their own thread. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Riot says ...
Thanks Riot. The above comments are soley those of the poster and in no way reflect the position of the Department of Corrections. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago HapkidoKa says ...
No problem....it's also why in some forums, if you do a search, some LEOs thought it would be hillarious to name some threads "which PD's don't do pollygraphs" and "how to beat a drug test" just to mess with some of the forum lurkers... Kinda like this one...(Click) |
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| Posted about 4 years ago I'm SO CONFUSED !!!! I googled Sen. Jim Webb to see who he is. I understand he's a Dem. so that should have explained his position BUT this man is a MARINE !!!! He went to to the Naval Acad. My God !!! he was Regan's Sec of the Navy !!!! I know we have to do something about the criminals but the bottom line is personal responsibility. PL's Dedicated Vetting Agent |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Cat_D says ...
John Kerry was in the Navy as well...some people just do their time, find money and forget where they came form. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago What a pity, no, what a disgrace. PL's Dedicated Vetting Agent |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Untill you work there and see what goe on and understand the city within the prisons folks don't have a clue. If they heard these guys bragging about who they hurt and how they are going to go back and start where they left off they don't have a clue. I agree with being sure we got the right one to execute but when all those dna's are done and all the facts lead to the same outcome then quit playing around and move these things along. The reason other countries outside the USA don't have these problems because their justice is swift and the rules are sever and they don't play around with their rules and let inmates drag things out. I've seen a few turn around but like was stated earlier I've seen more just come right back and use the prison gates like a revolving door. I've seen guys we've put on busses to go home and 2 to 3 weeks later right back. Alot because they broke probation right off the bat by going to the bar instead of checking in with their Parole Officers. Some go home catch their girlfriends with their best freinds and catch a new assault and attempted murder cases. But til John and Jane Q Public spen t time working and dealing with these folks thaey all have those hearts just bleeding for these folks and try to run a business like a prison like it was a cornoer mom and pop store... Until it's their family or loved ones and freinds that get hurt by that same person they demanded release..... Sorry....almost got to high on that soap-box...better stop before I get to carried away...lol |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Here are a few ideas: Don't worry about educating those who will never get out. Stop unessay medical proceedures, I.E. sex changes. I have others but the last one sums it up! But the best idea I can offer is to ASK SHERIFF JOE!!!! T.G.G.
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| Posted about 4 years ago harrisja6 says ...
EXACTLY....I worked the kitchen one time and listen to them bragg about all the crimes hey got off easy and never got caught for....then they do a 180 and complain about their current sentance and how screwed they got. I'm still in disbelief...I'll never understand why this country punishes the cops worse than the criminals. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Riot says ...
Wow that is too bleeping funny! The above comments are soley those of the poster and in no way reflect the position of the Department of Corrections. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago harrisja6 says ...
Bingo! The above comments are soley those of the poster and in no way reflect the position of the Department of Corrections. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Breathe James Breathe Your Preaching to the Choir here !!! We understand EXACTALLY where you are coming from. Remember, we do what we do so John and Jane Q. Public CAN remain naive and innocent about how bad it can really be, and acutually, I think it's worth it. PL's Dedicated Vetting Agent |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago is cryovacting an option! But for real I work in Detention and the BS I see is unbeliveable. I believe solitary confinement with progressive constructive socialization is the answer. U can't provide these guys weights and dominoes and think after 4 years of talking smack with the hommies they are NOT going to know what they lost. To them it's just another day to bs with the hommies. But until there is real money to train with its just easier this way. I realy don't see it changing because corrections is an out off sight out mind world. |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago AS long as the A.C.L.U. and prisoner rights organizations exist: As long we allow state law school students to assist convicts in suing the state: As long as we keep the stereotype of the correctional officer being a "guard" who couldn't find a real job: As long as the states and fed pay for unnecessary medical proceedures: As long as we continue to give positions of authority to people who not only never set foot in a prison to work a shift and were "educated" by wgacko authority hating professors: EXPECT NO CHANGE!!!! T.G.G.
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| Posted almost 4 years ago Change cost money, and we 'CORRECTIONS' are already the largest chunk of the states buget, I don't see us getting anymore. Semper Ducimus=(Always Lead) Lead - Follow - Or get the Hell out of the way ! |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago wagoncop says ...
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| Posted almost 4 years ago Do you have any idea how many thousand islands are in U.S. Territories? We should take advantage of them. |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago Or we can get in some target practice........................ The above comments are soley those of the poster and in no way reflect the position of the Department of Corrections. |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago Its interesting how there is such a lengthy due process for appeals and such. If we could "handle" those serving life/death sentances, we'd have more room. Also, I'm in favor of work camps for those serving lesser sentances. It's important to be humane, but more so to protect the puplic, and if that means being "slightly less humane", I think most people would be in favor. It's horrifying to know that some jails will only accept certain prisoners. This is unsafe to the general public, and a huge personal liability on an individual officer. |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago Riot says ...
Crazy enough it might just work. Make prison an unpleasant place to be. Someplace where you must work for and earn every priviledge you get. Someplace they would rather not be. Prison, a deterrant to further continuing criminal activities. Insterad of well lets not put people in prison for these kinds of crimes. Hmm what would that solve? Oh that's right those types of crime would rise because there would be no punishment or deterrent fro doing it. Not to mention it could be self suffcient reducing or even eliminating tax funds put into the prison system. Wouldn't that just be some funny poo. The inmates working to pay for the wages and benefits of the Corrections staff. Inmates Baker, Smith, Rice, House, and all of D Pod you been elected for OT to compensate for CO's Davis' promotion, get to work slackers! |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago Scurge says ...
We should sell that to the powers that be. I like the IDEA |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago Bump. |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago FYI, they just instituted a program to issue incarcerated inmates dogs here in WA.
Yup, you read it correctly...dogs. While we have one of the highest recitivism rates in the world and in the worst recession since the 60s, we're promoting criminal behavior by giving them animals while in prison. Not to mention DVD players and flat-screen HD TVs...if I ever loose my job I think I'll commit a crime and intentionally get caught- that way I can still be provided for. Mad, Mad world we live in... |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago Riot says ...
Amazing, lots of police departments can't even get a dog! |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago Invest in people give them hope and you will find chnge in some of them. |


