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Ok I got a question, and want to know what yall think!  Or what you are taught, or how you respond.  If you see a speed limit sign, and the speed is raising from like 35 to 55mph, are you supposed to START going 55 after you pass the sign, or as soon as you can read 55mph on the sign.  I got great vision and I think as soon as you can read the numbers on the sign then THATS the posted speed limit for that area.  Someone was riding with me the other day and told me that I could get a ticket for running that speed BEFORE I got to the sign even though it was clearly readable to me.  Okay what do ya think?  Yall please respond to me, I NEED to know this.

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The speed limit changes at the posted sign, not where you can see it from. 


There is actually a court decision on this, which I read two weeks ago.  It is a Colorado Supreme Court case, but I do not know the citing.


I just noticed your avatar is a badge with a mourning band on it.  Please do not be offended, but his is reserved for police officers, not security.


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The speed limit changes at the posted sign, not where you can see it from. 


There is actually a court decision on this, which I read two weeks ago.  It is a Colorado Supreme Court case, but I do not know the citing.


I just noticed your avatar is a badge with a mourning band on it.  Please do not be offended, but his is reserved for police officers, not security.



Agreed on all points. If you base the speed limit on where you can see it from, you're going to start running into problems. What about someone that has better far sighted vision and can see the speed limit sign from farther away, would that mean they could travel at that speed at a greater distance? Also, on a straight, flat piece of road, you might get someone with binoculars that can thus see the speed limit sign at a great distance, would that be the appropriate spot?


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The speed limit changes at the posted sign, not where you can see it from. 


i agree its where the sign is POSTED. 

i can see some people riding around with telescopes in their vehicles and then going to court....."but your honor, i saw the speed limit sign from 300 miles away".


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It works the same way on lowering the speed limits, too.  If you are in a 65 mph zone and see a sign that says "reduce speed ahead" then a 40 mph sign, you had better be going 40 as you pass the sign, not starting to slow from 65.

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The speed becomes enforceable once your vehicle reaches the sign.

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It works the same way on lowering the speed limits, too.  If you are in a 65 mph zone and see a sign that says "reduce speed ahead" then a 40 mph sign, you had better be going 40 as you pass the sign, not starting to slow from 65.



You bring up an excellent point. If you havent ever noticed this, the highway department will put up a reduse speed ahead sign, and if you are doing the posted speed limit, and take your foot off the gas, by the time you reach the posted speed limit sign, you will normally be doing that posted speed when you reach the sign.


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It works the same way on lowering the speed limits, too.  If you are in a 65 mph zone and see a sign that says "reduce speed ahead" then a 40 mph sign, you had better be going 40 as you pass the sign, not starting to slow from 65.



You bring up an excellent point. If you havent ever noticed this, the highway department will put up a reduse speed ahead sign, and if you are doing the posted speed limit, and take your foot off the gas, by the time you reach the posted speed limit sign, you will normally be doing that posted speed when you reach the sign.



It is a state requirement for a reduce speed sign ahead or something similiar whenever the change in speed is more that 10 mph.  Ie you can go from 55 to 45 without a reduce speed sign and then the speed limit sign,but you can't go from 55 to 30 without a reduce speed sign before the 30 mph sign.  this, I believe was done to help prevent small town speed traps where a highway ran through town. Some cities woud drop to 25 or so from 60 without any warning, just a 25 mph sign at the city limits.

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The speed limit sign is posted for points beyond the sign not before it.  Before you pass the sign the speed limit would be that of the previous posting.  As far as the reduced speed ahead signs it never ceases to amaze me the number of people who hammer on then jam on the brakes at the sign.  Or the butt head who starts to tailgate because I let my foot of the gas and he didn't.

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One thing we tend to forget is that the speed limit is set by municiple code or statute - and THAT location is where the speed actually changes.


It is not impossible for a city maintenance department or highway department to misplace a sign.  If you are going to rely heavily on a sign location - particularly if you are using it for emphasis - you need to be relatively certain the signs are appropriately placed.  Generally, you are right... the speed limit changes at the sign... but you can't/shouldn't be writing exceeding the speed limit tickets if the limit at that location isn't statutorily correct.

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No you cannot climb up on your roof, hang onto your tv antenna, lean out to look at a speed limit sign a mile away with a pair of binoculars, then leap off the roof edge onto your Suzuki and fire out of your driveway cranking it to 55MPH as you zip past your neighbor's house with a pack of dogs in hot pursuit.

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One thing we tend to forget is that the speed limit is set by municiple code or statute - and THAT location is where the speed actually changes.


It is not impossible for a city maintenance department or highway department to misplace a sign.  If you are going to rely heavily on a sign location - particularly if you are using it for emphasis - you need to be relatively certain the signs are appropriately placed.  Generally, you are right... the speed limit changes at the sign... but you can't/shouldn't be writing exceeding the speed limit tickets if the limit at that location isn't statutorily correct.



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You need to be going the SPEED LIMIT the LAW requires.  In general the law requires the driver to pay attention to the sign.  The person who places the sign has to pay attention to the law.  Also in general, neither the police nor the highway department can put signs up wherever they feel like it.

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karlr4. Are you in law enforcement? You have a skeleton profile. I got a good chuckle from your last comment. Personally I found it an insult to my intelligence.

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30 years as an investigator for the AG - not law enforcement per se.  I am sorry you found it insulting although I am unsure as to why... you might be surprised how many speed limit signs are misplaced and posted where the speed limit isn't what the sign says it is. 

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Mr Karl.


Not all states have the same laws.


Also, some forum etiquette. Posting in all capital letters is the equivalent of yelling. For example "SPEED LIMIT the LAW requires"


I know you were just trying to get your point across, but with a skeleton profile, just joined today, and have not posted an introduction, that is an insult to come in here and bark at veteran officers.


Thank you sir, have a nice day.


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One would expect veteran officers would have thicker skins but It would have been more proper to use italics as that emphasis was my intent.


I'd be interested in knowing which states allow police officers or maintenance departments to establish and enforce local speed limits.


I recognize my post was marginally off topic but I got here researching misplaced speed limit signs - something that came up recently in my community - and misplaced signing has come up in cases I have had in the past.

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One thing we tend to forget is that the speed limit is set by municiple code or statute - and THAT location is where the speed actually changes.


It is not impossible for a city maintenance department or highway department to misplace a sign.  If you are going to rely heavily on a sign location - particularly if you are using it for emphasis - you need to be relatively certain the signs are appropriately placed.  Generally, you are right... the speed limit changes at the sign... but you can't/shouldn't be writing exceeding the speed limit tickets if the limit at that location isn't statutorily correct.



And that is the reason God invented traffic court.


Also, implying that the LEOs here have thin skins is a bit off-putting, even to me.  They have thick skins, but little tolerance for people who, while claiming to be something that implies adherence to rules, statutes and decorum, openly flaunt said rules and decorum (Terms of Use of PL, for instance).  May I suggest it is you who need to let us get to know you, because you're coming off as the one with the thin skin.

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We enforce the law and the speed limit where the sign is located. It is not my job to check that the Highway Dept. did their job in locating the signs in the proper place. I use the signs as a guide to where the speed either slows down or speeds up. So if you are going 60 MPH in a 30 MPH zone then you CAN expect to get a Notice to Appear probably for Reckless Driving.  


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Thanks for the input.


I think my point has been made.

 

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 I'll answer your question.


My state has a statute. K.S.A 8-1560..that allows local authorities to alter the speed limit in certain situations or conditions.


We also have a law called *Driving too fast for existing conditions* so we are not always bound to what the law says the speed limit is.


 


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Local authorities" defined. "Local authorities" means the Kansas turnpike authority and every city, county and other local board or body having authority to adopt ordinances or regulations relating to vehicular traffic under the constitution and laws of this state.

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You need to be going the SPEED LIMIT the LAW requires.  In general the law requires the driver to pay attention to the sign.  The person who places the sign has to pay attention to the law.  Also in general, neither the police nor the highway department can put signs up wherever they feel like it.



So every Town and State should conduct audits to see if the signs were placed correctly.  Sounds expensive.


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So every Town and State should conduct audits to see if the signs were placed correctly.  Sounds expensive.



Most likely they already do.  It can be more expensive to have signs negligently placed.

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If there is no warning of a reduced speed limit ahead, what is an acceptable distance beyond the speed limit sign to reduce speed to the posted limit?

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If there is no warning of a reduced speed limit ahead, what is an acceptable distance beyond the speed limit sign to reduce speed to the posted limit?



Immediately.  


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Well stated Tim.As for Curt-Sr. .The state,county,municipality are under no obligation whatsoever to erect  any type warning sign/signs.It would not only be cost prohibitive,but ludicrous.Can you recall seeing "Watch for falling rock in the next state".--"Stop sign perchance,in the next couple miles".--"Cops hiding behind billboard at mile marker#64"???

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Well stated Tim.As for Curt-Sr. .*Snipped*  Can you recall seeing-"Cops hiding behind billboard at mile marker#64"???



Yes, Dave. I've seen those signs (roflmao)




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 allright, i got one for you guys, In new york state and in the state i am presently residing in, speed limit signs are just that, signs which denote a numeral and the words speed limit. Sometimes the numeral is above the words speed limit or below the words, and except for village or small town signs which vary in size and shape, all have the words speed limit and the limit in numerals. Most are rectangle in shape and highway and interstate signs are universal in color.  Now, what about an exit ramp symbol with a numeral and shaped curve symbol but no words speed limit? How about an S curve symbol and numerals but no words speed limit? Is this an enforceable speed limit sign or a suggested speed sign due to road conditions? And if the argument is that it is an enforceable speed limit sign, where does the speed limit end? at the end of the depicted diagram of curve or curves etc?

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Curt... You might benefit from taking this test.  Check with your State's Department of Motor Vehicles to see if they have a primer on signs/meanings, etc.


www.usa-traffic-signs.com/Test_s/50.htm


 


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If there is no warning of a reduced speed limit ahead, what is an acceptable distance beyond the speed limit sign to reduce speed to the posted limit?



 

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