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Going for your radio in a fight

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my opinio is that officers need a better training or specialize in martial arts, also learning how to use their guns as quick(faster) as possible. I have review thousands of video files and i have noticed that 95 percent of the officers dont know how to fight or even basic self defence. my point is that if you know how to defent yourself you will not have to worry about your radio or even your gun.

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This is an interesting topic. I know in FL it is a crime to deprive an L.E.O of their weapon or radio. My other thought about this is if they do get your radio or disable it and you become very fatigued during the struggle, does this raise the use of force to a "6" or deadly? I think it does, and if safe to do deadly force would be justified.

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Hey, Im a Police Officer in the UK. Our radios are actually situated on our Body Armour which is worn overtly. The radio can be worn on either the left or right side of the upper chest. It has built in Emergency Button which, when pressed sounds a short alarm and opens the mic so that comms and the other officers can hear what is going on. The radio also has a GPS built in.

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britishcop ,you yhink you can send me one of those ? i echo the sentiment of all officers here , but you have got to constantly train . although , help is on the way you've got to always think outside the box . if a person is willing to fight a cop , for whatever reason , you better be damn sure i'm going to make sure my tactics are down and on the money , because if i have to lullaby his @$$ ..... well enough said . thanks for the heads up on what's happening on the streets where you are . stay safe


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You are correct that in Fl it is a crime to deprive an Officer of communications and it happens quite often. Even way back when I was active there have been a few times that the bad guy tried to get the radio away from me. Of course back then the radio was one of those big damn things that weighed about 5 lbs and looked and worked like a brick so we sometimes used them like a brick. Hey, it worked!

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I think that every officer should remember that anything on his/her duty belt is a weapon which can potentially be used against them. While working on patrol in late 2006, I was involved in a fight with a suspect in which he snatched my radio as I fought to protect my sidearm. Before I was able to react, he managed to strike me over the head with the portable, causing a slight concussion. Luckily, two other officers were on scene, and the suspect decided that fleeing was a smarter move than sticking around to take advantage of my disoriented state. I'm witness to the fact that turning a radio off is not the only way a suspect can use it to hurt you. Stay alert, guard your gear, and stay safe!

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Hey val. Unfotunatley the radios we get issued are not available for retail. They are highly encrypted and so far no one as been able to crack the encryption. How do the agencies in the US go about issuing /radios?

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british it's the same , i was just kidding with you . don't know about many other depts. but our vests are worn underneath our shirt and we only clip our mike to the shirt .


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even the best encrypted radios here are not secure, always some one that knows how to beat them. most of the news reporters manage to get are codes some how.

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I'm thinking that the suspect going for your radio to keep you from calling for help is like calling ollie ollie oxen free in a fight. Easy to articulate the escalation of force there. Although my experience has been the radio coming off the duty belt and bungying around on the mike cord during a fight. And there is almost nothing available to police that is encrypted enough to get away from civilian news. Good intel for the bad guys, please and thank you Channel 5.

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The DLT utilizes his radio mic on the shoulder. I keep my distance and when it happens I key up. My buddies know if they hear a yell and nothing else, they are en route code 3. Distance is your friend. That extra 6inches may save your life. If someone goes for my radio, they can have it because ten times out of ten I'm drawing down because my radio is now a weapon and can be used for blunt force or asphyxiation (spelling prob there) . If I have to turn and run for separation, so be it. If your fight goes to the ground, which 95% of the time it does, I recommend a certain type of preperation. Learn some basic ground fighting. Here in West Texas we train my departments officers in this type of "defense". If we are on the ground and I have to arm bar someone, so be it. It's his broken arm and not mine. My mission, to get home and play transoformers with my son and barbies with my little girl. Yes, grown men do play with barbies in that, and only that case! It keeps me close to her, lol, not that I like it; or do I? Hmmm...

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I never would have thought a common street turd would be smart enough to think of such a tactic, I know in texas prisons we had caught alot of the gang members altering their clock radio's in their cell to pick up our officers and unit radio traffic. I love the red button and also the shoulder mic.


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RobRodriguezSD said:

Generally a radio will be (or should be in my opinion) on your belt... support side, with a mic on your shoulder of the same side. The reason being that if you do get into a sticky situation, you have your strong-hand available for defense and or open to get to your weapon (or protect it) while you use your support hand to activate the radio and call out for backup. The key is that it should be easily available and ready to go in all situations.

Damn straight, Rob. The untarnished truth people, is that wearing my radio in this manner is what saved MY ass when I got jumped. I'm righthanded, so my weapon is of course on the right, radio on left. He got me from behind while his buddy distracted me, and we went to the ground. He already had his hand on my weapon, so I got MY hand OVER his and rolled onto my right side. The radio being mounted on the "support" side allowed me to spread out crablike, keep covering my weapon with the hand trapped under me, while the free hand worked the mike on the epaulet.

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It's funny but way back when and those mikes with the cord attached to the radio first came out none of us liked them. They would often come loose when running after someone or in a fight and they could be used as a weapon against us and generally got in our way. We also did not have any red or panic button. Of course the radio was the size of and weighed as much as a brick so it was basically a weapon for us. G I am glad technology has advanced so much to help us do the job better.

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I felt the same way, Robo. I much preferred the smaller walkie type radio that you slipped out of it's belt case and held up to your mouth when you needed it. It seemed more compact and stayed out of your way. Of course, had I HAD that type back then I guess I wouldn't be typing this now.... So much better equipment today for the guys on the street.

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I had a turd try this back in 01'...but he didn't try to grab it till I started trying to call backup. It didn't work too well for him thought. My mic cord was rather long and to keep it from having alot of slack you had to wrap a good section of the coiled part around the antena. When he grabbed it from me and pulled it unwrapped that part and streatched the coils out. He tried to throw it and it popped back and wrapped twice around his neck. He almost pulled me to the ground trying to get away from the cord that was choking on hiim.


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Our radios are bricks... we have the option of attaching the corded mics and I went the extra step and got an ear piece. One thing I do is attach to my shirt though. If you tuck both sides of the clips under the shirt it will help keep it attached while running etc. Like someone else said -It keeps your eyes forward and you can train yourself to keep your eyes up. -6 or 1/2 dozen I suppose. I like the idea of people not hearing what I am hearing when I get info back on the wants/warrants check. That's when they like to run or fight and I'd rather go hands on before they think about it... half the thugs out there know what codes we use for Warrants. I'd like to change out from the corded external mic to the under your shirt setup with the boom mic but I haven't come across one that picks you up as well. The guys I know that have them sound like they are in a tunnel or they are too faint.


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