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I believe it's how you treat the Pit bull .................... I was raised from birth with one .............. Never had any problems with it.

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I actually think pit bulls are very nice and sweet. I almost got one but I really didnt have the space for a large dog like that. I also lived in a city that doesnt allow them. I think any dog has the capability of being mean if thats what they have learned to do or be based on how they are treated.

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 This forum is full of subjective drivel, misinformation, half assed theories, conjecture and out right lies. The mtDNA of the APBT, SBT, and AST are fundamentally the same as a wolves. And we don't keep wolves as pets why? Because YOU do not know how to handle what the canine is hard wired genetically to do. You don't have to treat a male wolf any specific way for it to be aggressive, and contrary to all this babble going on about this site; dogs, like people, do things for no discernible reason to those around them. If you want to argue that, you're just going to get to that "Psyche 101" nature V nurture argument, which will eventually boil itself down to "the dog had a reason"... So do serial killers, doesn't mean the reason makes any sense. The key to understanding canine behavior, starts with recognizing that the dog is not a human. You don't understand the dogs' thought process, and it doesn't really understand yours. Behavioral science has consistently shut down this theory that we rightfully "humanize" dogs. We don't, they are empathetic, emotional, social, pleaser based animals. This makes them ideal for creatures as emotionally and socially fragile as us. 


That whole rant, was the part of this where I explain to you idiots talking like dogs understand people and our society, and that you don't understand dogs because "(you) grew up with a "rottie"". "Pit bulls" (the American Pit Bull Terrier) are not the same dog as the SBT, AST, or BT. But they look VERY alike, which is probably the reasoning behind all the ignorant "I think they are sweet blah blah blah" that's going on here. The APBT is an aggressive breed of dog, like the other "bully breeds" it is the cross between a form of terrier and an ancient bulldog strain (molosser). Our American "Pits" are the direct descendants of the Staffords, but when they were introduced here to the US in the early 1800's we (Americans) began breeding them for size and aggression. They were used to fill a variety of roles in the society of old. Namely cattle dogs, guard dogs, and police dogs. But they caught on massively as fighting dogs, and that became more the norm for them as time progressed and their roles in domestic society were replaced by more specialized breeds. 


The APBT that exists today is the continued lineage of those fighting dogs, and is not "sane". HOWEVER, lines of APBT that have had Staffordshire terrier reintroduced to it are "different" (to varying degrees). (P.S. -it's the staffies (both American and Bull) that are ranked so high in gaminess.) You have no idea what you're getting into when you purchase an American Pit Bull Terrier, and though statistics for this argument are always debatable, the accepted truth amongst canine behavioral specialists (not Cesar Milan, or your neighbor who's a dog trainer, I'm talking PhD's who research these animals for a living) is that you need to be a responsible, stable, and powerful dog owner in order to appropriately handle an American Pit Bull Terrier. 


Though the demographics argument holds weight, as to the SES of the purported "types" of people and neighborhoods you encounter the aggressive members of this breed. It's clear, that these dogs are loaded guns in a more serine environment as well, and caution and discretion should be used in purchasing and dealing with one. 


Now, as for the other crap at the beginning of this thread, any one of you who compared the bone severing bite power of a pitbull to a smaller or less substantial breed should be injured in some way as to remind you not to speak, ever again. Claiming that a Chihuahua could "cause just as much damage as a Pitbull" is ludicrous. Do you think a five year old can hit as hard as Mike Tyson? Is a five year old with a dull ice pick as dangerous as an Airborn Ranger suffering a delusional psychotic break that thinks you're one of the enemy? As for the rest of you, (you all know which "yous" I'm referring to) who seem to think that you can stand up for a breed of dog without anything but a five second glimpse over the wikipedia page or a few well laid lies and urban myth... You're all idiots, and liars. 

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Hate em everyone of them


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Oh do come along Ten8.....all these folks let them play with their little babies...so that means there is nothing wrong with them. All the precautions we take when planning a warrant for those who keep pits, we should just disregard officer safety..they are gentle. Those scars on my leg from an attack....it was all just my fault.

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That whole rant, was the part of this where I explain to you idiots     ... You're all idiots, and liars. 


Who is ths person and did they just join to write in this thread??? 



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They should stop breeding the dang thing... They serve no purpose on today's society other than wild boar hunting -and extermination, because they have become a plague in some States-



They are even illegal in some jurisdictions... If you come to Miami, Please leave your beloved Pit Bull home...


If you go to NY, make sure you have the proper insurance for your dog...

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Loved the pitbull I saved- she was amazing and then she attacked my mother's dog and then tried to attack my Dad. Living in the mountians there was no time to take to the SPCA, she was shot.


My poo boogers, but she snapped.


As an EMT, nothing sucks more then seeing a child mauled by and animal.


Pitbulls and like dogs are harsh, I love the breed. they are beautiful and can be wonderful companions, but people don't think and get them and can't handle them or just cause they look 'gangsta' it's sad.

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my job entails working with informants....and I always let the informants know that if there is a dog and he comes at us aggressively, Im going to shoot it. If the dog happens to be a pit or multiple pits, I stress that if the dog isnt removed from the site that the warrant will be executed at, that the pit will most likely be shot at the first hint of aggression.

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People get mad- but I tell em I'm not going in until that dog is put away- i don't care if it a whipper snapper/ankle biter, i'm here to do my job not get bit by a dog.


if I were you PSD I'd shoot a dog too

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dogs, unless its a K9 "officer", and law enforcement definately dont mix. I am a BIG stickler about that. when I am setting a warrant, I am very adamant about the dog situation....last thing I want is to face a psychopath and an aggressive dog trying to defend (ie kill me) its psychopathic master


 


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I like pit bulls; at a distance, behind a fence, well controlled, away from me etc. I've met nice ones but I don't trust even them because nice ones can turn too. A friend in high school almost lost her eye to a 'nice' pitt as they were watching tv together same as they had for 5 years. My best friends brother and his dog got attacked by a pitt recently.


Blame it on the owners but it doesn't change that they are unpredictable because you can't know WHAT kind of owner the dog had until it shows one side or another. I don't blame officers that take the offensive against dogs like pitts, sometimes stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason, and I'd rather see a dead pitt than an injured officer.

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Let me just try to explain something here to the best of ability, even at the risk of becoming boring...


Nature have a way of doing things. Humans have -to some extend- acquired the capability of manipulating Nature... Althought with the result of a disaster sometimes.


The characteristics of any given species are defined by its Genetic Code. Yes, that double helix you saw in your Biology books in school, that looks like a twisted ladder. Everyone of the "steps" in that "ladder" is a Nucleotide. Every Nucleotide is the part of a set of specific written instructions... Belive it or not, every living thing has within a whole Library, larger than the Britannica Encyclopedia. Everything that a living organism does is written there... With specific intructions:


How to laugh, how to cry, how to defend itself, how to care for things, how to hate things (or beings), how to attack, how to run, how to survive, when to attack, when to run...


Nature uses Natural Selection. Those with the best genetic characteristiques, the best adapted to a given enviroment preferentially survive. (Not exactly Survival of the Fittest, but a proven scientific fact)


Humans have learned how to manipulate (to some extent) this awesome properties of living organisms, through selective breeding and Artificial Selection as it is called in Science.


The basic Genetic material of Pit Bulls is like that of any other member of the canine species.... Except that: Their Genes have been manipulated, artificially selected in such a way as to enhance Attack, minimize Run, increase Aggression, minimize Fear...


People here -and everywhere- will come up with "samples" of extremely docile child-loving Pit Bulls... They will argue that it's all about training, it's all about the owner, so on and so forth... I did hear all these arguments... Fine, I am glad you have a Pit Bull that have never attacked anyone, and so far is behaving like any other dog, but:


You can train a Pure Breed Pit Bull all you can -or wish, for that matter- You just can't erase the embeded Genetic characteristics of the Breed... It is simply SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. The only way to make a Pit Bull loose those Genetic properties is to Artificially Select the dog to enhance different behavior.... That will take Breeding in a in less aggressive behavior direction, and moreover, it will take a few Generations to achieve those results... But then... You won't have a "Pit Bull" any longer, would you...?


Please understand that the aggresive behavior, the "bite and hold" the extreme muscular and pain resisting characteristics of the Breed are part of their Genetic make up. You just can't expect to erase that with "training"... Training will get some good results... Up to a point. Heck, you can even train a Tiger or a Lion... Up to a point in which their Genetic make up kicks in... We see that in Circus and shows everyday... Until ONE DAY.


The Breed was originally "developed" for use in Bull bait. (No wonder when they bite they won't let go no matter what you do to them) That's the reason they are still useful in the Hog hunting.

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Some "twisted ladders"...



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All excellent points made and I agree. 


This kind of speaks to the whole nature versus nurture argument. It's not actually one versus the other. Nurture builds on what nature provides, which is why we still see both end results with these dogs. Some are nice, some are not, some start mean and become nice, some start nice and become mean. Looking at the history of the breed and genetics can cover all the varieties of personalities that are seen in them. What bothers me about pitts is that one can't be sure when nature will override nurture, so I don't hate them, but I don't trust them. No matter how nice they seem to be. 


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Let me just try to explain something here to the best of ability, even at the risk of becoming boring...


Nature have a way of doing things. Humans have -to some extend- acquired the capability of manipulating Nature... Althought with the result of a disaster sometimes.


The characteristics of any given species are defined by its Genetic Code. Yes, that double helix you saw in your Biology books in school, that looks like a twisted ladder. Everyone of the "steps" in that "ladder" is a Nucleotide. Every Nucleotide is the part of a set of specific written instructions... Belive it or not, every living thing has within a whole Library, larger than the Britannica Encyclopedia. Everything that a living organism does is written there... With specific intructions:


How to laugh, how to cry, how to defend itself, how to care for things, how to hate things (or beings), how to attack, how to run, how to survive, when to attack, when to run...


Nature uses Natural Selection. Those with the best genetic characteristiques, the best adapted to a given enviroment preferentially survive. (Not exactly Survival of the Fittest, but a proven scientific fact)


Humans have learned how to manipulate (to some extent) this awesome properties of living organisms, through selective breeding and Artificial Selection as it is called in Science.


The basic Genetic material of Pit Bulls is like that of any other member of the canine species.... Except that: Their Genes have been manipulated, artificially selected in such a way as to enhance Attack, minimize Run, increase Aggression, minimize Fear...


People here -and everywhere- will come up with "samples" of extremely docile child-loving Pit Bulls... They will argue that it's all about training, it's all about the owner, so on and so forth... I did hear all these arguments... Fine, I am glad you have a Pit Bull that have never attacked anyone, and so far is behaving like any other dog, but:


You can train a Pure Breed Pit Bull all you can -or wish, for that matter- You just can't erase the embeded Genetic characteristics of the Breed... It is simply SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. The only way to make a Pit Bull loose those Genetic properties is to Artificially Select the dog to enhance different behavior.... That will take Breeding in a in less aggressive behavior direction, and moreover, it will take a few Generations to achieve those results... But then... You won't have a "Pit Bull" any longer, would you...?


Please understand that the aggresive behavior, the "bite and hold" the extreme muscular and pain resisting characteristics of the Breed are part of their Genetic make up. You just can't expect to erase that with "training"... Training will get some good results... Up to a point. Heck, you can even train a Tiger or a Lion... Up to a point in which their Genetic make up kicks in... We see that in Circus and shows everyday... Until ONE DAY.


The Breed was originally "developed" for use in Bull bait. (No wonder when they bite they won't let go no matter what you do to them) That's the reason they are still useful in the Hog hunting.


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I have been to 6 dog attack calls in the past year or so.  I say attacks becuase I am not counting ones where medical attention was not needed.  5 of those were pits.  (the other was a cho) 3 of those 5 were attacks on their owners.  All 3 said the same basic thing as we were loading them in the ambulance.  "my dog is usually such a sweety, he wouldn't hurt anyone."  Or something of that nature.



Let me repeat myself.  By the way these numbers are higher now.



There you go again trying to use these things we call 'truth" and "logic" morg...dont you know its politically incorrect to call a sweet little family dog a potential violent animal that has been bred for the sole purpose of violent pit fighting?


Anyone ever think about what exactly their name is and why they are named that....let me say it for those who cant seem to take the hint...


 


"PIT BULL"

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Oh man, I know my opinion is probably an unpopular one but from my personal perspective....I don't think it's the breed that makes the dog...it's the training and discipline that makes that dog and I have witnessed this first hand with my puppy, Buddy.


Growing up, I had a dalmatian named Buddy...I remembered him being the most sweetest dog and he would never leave my side. He was always so happy and playful. Well, one summer night he was outside when a thug went through our backyard and Buddy was going nuts. Well, the thug decided to take the baseball bat he was holding and beat my dog and also pepperspray his eyes....after that....he was very protective of all of us but VERY vicious to everyone else. We had no choice but to put him to sleep. He was only 4-years-old when he was put down but we just couldn't risk him hurting someone. Honestly, it still chokes me up thinking about it.


My family raised dalmatians and dobermans and never had a problem with them. We never had any problems with our cocker spaniel either. They were all very loving dogs.


I don't know, this is just my opinion from my perspective.


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I have been to 6 dog attack calls in the past year or so.  I say attacks becuase I am not counting ones where medical attention was not needed.  5 of those were pits.  (the other was a cho) 3 of those 5 were attacks on their owners.  All 3 said the same basic thing as we were loading them in the ambulance.  "my dog is usually such a sweety, he wouldn't hurt anyone."  Or something of that nature.



Let me repeat myself.  By the way these numbers are higher now.



Got no choice but to agree with you 100%. For those here that never responded to a call involving a Pit Bull, I have a suggestion: Ask a NY Cop...


Personally, I have been involved in quite a few. From the Dog's calls in the City, the overwhelming majority involve a Pit Bull.


I will just mention one I just can't get off my mind: One of the first calls in which me and my partner tried to get a dog of a middle age woman.


The dog grab the woman, locked his jaws and just won't let go... My partner used Mace on the dog, but the dog just wouldn't let go... I did hit that dog everywhere with a PR-24, but the dog just would let go... Lucky for us, ASPCA came with a tranquilizer dart that finally put the dog to sleep, when I was ready to finally put an end to the situation...


Makes you wonder why they are the Breed of choice of every Drug Dealer I ever came accross with... Huh?

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Oh come on now fplasencia, what do cops know! They are gentle dogs most of the time and that is good enough to give them free reign around babies and small children!


 


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bmorgan says ...



bmorgan says ...



I have been to 6 dog attack calls in the past year or so.  I say attacks becuase I am not counting ones where medical attention was not needed.  5 of those were pits.  (the other was a cho) 3 of those 5 were attacks on their owners.  All 3 said the same basic thing as we were loading them in the ambulance.  "my dog is usually such a sweety, he wouldn't hurt anyone."  Or something of that nature.



Let me repeat myself.  By the way these numbers are higher now.



Got no choice but to agree with you 100%. For those here that never responded to a call involving a Pit Bull, I have a suggestion: Ask a NY Cop...


Personally, I have been involved in quite a few. From the Dog's calls in the City, the overwhelming majority involve a Pit Bull.


I will just mention one I just can't get off my mind: One of the first calls in which me and my partner tried to get a dog of a middle age woman.


The dog grab the woman, locked his jaws and just won't let go... My partner used Mace on the dog, but the dog just wouldn't let go... I did hit that dog everywhere with a PR-24, but the dog just would let go... Lucky for us, ASPCA came with a tranquilizer dart that finally put the dog to sleep, when I was ready to finally put an end to the situation...


Makes you wonder why they are the Breed of choice of every Drug Dealer I ever came accross with... Huh?


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I do not have a Pit, I do, however, have a lovely 85 lb American Bulldog.  I believe the breeds are quite similar in terms of temperment and what they were origionally bred for.  Lola is a wonderful dog and loves kids.  She will, I admit it, pick fights with most dogs when she first meets them if I let her.  However I always have her on a pinch collar when we meet new dogs, so it has never progressed past growling.


She does occasionally take an instant and unprovoked dislike to some people.  I always correct her and have her 'down' to let her know that she is not alpha over them and is not allowed to touch them.  I have heard that many females of the 'bully' breeds will do this. 


It is mainly just a matter of early socialization, and lots of it.


I believe that if Pits are bred and raised right they make fine family dogs.  They will always need their owner to be on top of them because of their temperment, what they were bred for.  You can love your Pit and never abuse it all you like, but if it doesn't get proper exercise and training and know that you are the alpha, not it there will be problems.

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Also on this topic, the town I live in is small and has a lot of loose dogs.  My dog and I are frequently charged when we are out walking.  I will say here and now I prefer being charged by the bigger breeds rather than the chihuahua types.  I have yelled down countless numbers of large dogs, from labs to GSD to crossbreds of who knows what all.  The smaller ones, however, pay no heed to my yelled warning and harrass us until we are past what they consider 'their' territory.  My neighbors have a chihuahua who has bbit different people mulitple times and drawn blood.  Now granted a chihuahuas bite is by no means as bad as a Pits, but I think Pit's bites are more publisized because of how much damage they do when they do bite.  The breed also attracts the type of people who could turn a lab into an attack dog, that's just the way it works.


Nurture or nature?  Perhaps a bit of each, but definitely more nurture than nature.