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I was doing some research a while back and it appears that New York has a police department for just about everything. Why are there so many different agencies? (i.e. Sanitation police, Taxi police, Hospital police etc..)

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Evry bearucrat wants the power of being in charge of his own police department. They usauly use this for free transporttation and protection.

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This way there is no one that can say it's not my job.

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its all about the money why dose the nypd get charged for driving their cars over certain bridges and tunnels because nobody in the city wants to be controled by another agency

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Thanks for the info. This makes a lot of sense.

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Here in the City of San Francisco we used to have a police for almost every city agency also.  Certain directors of city depts felt they needed their own police to patrol and provide security their properties and offices adequately.  In the last 15 yrs the City of SF embarked on consolidation and privatization of these small police depts.  The whole idea was cut city jobs and save more money.  Most of these police officers were replaced with private security guards.  Larger agencies like Airport Police, Housing Authority Police, Harbor & Port, and Transit  were merged with the City Police.  Smaller ones like Institutional Police were merged with the Sheriff Dept.  The results are mixed.  These agencies are LESS safer places to visit because SFPD can not adequately staff officers to protect these depts adequately.  The City then spent the monies they saved on wages and benefits on programs for the  homeless, low income housing, Youth Advocates, Community TV, etc. etc.  Now the City of SF is facing a 500+million dollar budget deficit and asking city unions to forgo on their pay raises schedule for July 1st.  I'm voting no and urge all my union brothers to do the same!

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Towns and Villages want there own Police Force. It benefits the residence for faster Police response and benefits the Towns and Villages whenever a citation is written because the money stays local. The State ond County Police take care of everywhere else and assist the Towns, Villages and vise versa.


You can never have too many Police. Especially the way thing's are in today's society!!

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That question has crossed every ones mind while applying for a police department in New York, we all knew who was the largest and the best, when I went into the academy I shitted in my shorts waiting to see if the housing or transit departments would grab me, well you all know, yes The City of New York is the safest city in the world with that thought of cops & agent all over!


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It's because there are 24 hours in a day, three shifts a day and no one is humanly capable of enforcing all of those laws for all of the people that live in NYC.  Not even Ralph, but he came close.    Not to mention, just because NYPD CAN enforce all laws, doesn't mean they want to.  I'd rather hand some of this stuff off to any agency willing to take it then write tickets for illegal dumping or taxi laws if I could help it.  Also no emergency calls would ever get answered if every officer was answering all of those non-priority, write a summons calls. 

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With budget issues facing all of us. I know New York is having serious financial issues. Does anyone think that they will be consolidating in New York?

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no probably not, just cutting positions within the existing groups.  I think the last time they did that was in 1995 when transit became NYPD transit division and the same with housing.

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Hi Guys,


What I find so confusing is the amount of different police departments you have in one state/city. Here in Australia each state has it's own police department and that's it. For example in the state of New South Wales each command (precident) has it's own patrol officers, including HWP and Detectives. We have specialist units but we are one police department.

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Hi Guys,


What I find so confusing is the amount of different police departments you have in one state/city. Here in Australia each state has it's own police department and that's it. For example in the state of New South Wales each command (precident) has it's own patrol officers, including HWP and Detectives. We have specialist units but we are one police department.


Not so confusing if you see the United States has Federal, State, Local law enforcement departments each that pay their own officers or agents, why so many as the thread asked, who knows!



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Hi Guys,


What I find so confusing is the amount of different police departments you have in one state/city. Here in Australia each state has it's own police department and that's it. For example in the state of New South Wales each command (precident) has it's own patrol officers, including HWP and Detectives. We have specialist units but we are one police department.



I guess it could be a little confusing, but in the US law enforcement has traditionally been a local affair.  In fact, until the ganster era of the 1920s-1930s, we had no means to pursue criminals on a national level and criminals could evade law enforcement by simply crossing state lines.  This ended when the FBI was given broad power to pursue interstate.  Today, (in ascending order) each municipality has its own law enforcement, as does the county in which the municipality is located, as does the state.  Under normal circumstances, the State Police can operate anywhere in the State while tthe County Police are limited to their counties (including the municipalities located therein) and the municipalities are limited to their boundaries.  

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I don´t get it ?



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Read the TOU, post an introduction


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http://www.jokes.com/funny/police-business/mysterious-hole-at-the-nudist-camp


I don´t get it ?




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1st post and no introduction...


That should explain it all.


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I was doing some research a while back and it appears that New York has a police department for just about everything. Why are there so many different agencies? (i.e. Sanitation police, Taxi police, Hospital police etc..)


Um here it goes on one part of NYC history, IE Taxi and Limousine Commission at one time was policed and licenced by the NYPD,


The once New York City Transit Police was formed in the 40´s and were NYS Rail Road Guards with limited peace officer status!



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I made a stupid cop joke and tried to harrass mods, now I'm sanctioned... boo-hoo.




Hah...funny AZ!


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There are still some hold outs like the Sanitation Police (about 160 personnel) but the big three merged back in 1995 (NYPD, Transit, and Housing) and I have heard similar stories like Ralph's from older (no offense Ralph) NYPD officers about sweating in out to see who got grabbed by Transit and Housing.


Three kingdoms were two too many. Communications, payroll, manpower, etc. were all integrated mostly due to cost concerns. Can you imagine the additional chaos of 9-11 with three police departments? As if it wasn't bad enough! But the few smaller agencies are very specialized.

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There are still some hold outs like the Sanitation Police (about 160 personnel) but the big three merged back in 1995 (NYPD, Transit, and Housing) and I have heard similar stories like Ralph's from older (no offense Ralph) NYPD officers about sweating in out to see who got grabbed by Transit and Housing.


Geez, I taught recruits int the Police Academy who "sweated" it out...I must be ancient.


 


Three kingdoms were two too many. Communications, payroll, manpower, etc. were all integrated mostly due to cost concerns. Can you imagine the additional chaos of 9-11 with three police departments? As if it wasn't bad enough! But the few smaller agencies are very specialized.


Communications for Transit and surface units are still separate...the modern configuration also allows the influx of street veterans with no transit experience into the Transit Bureau, so the expertise factor suffers somewhat. 


Putting the Housing Bureau on the same radio as precinct units did solve the irritating "no coverage" situation that precinct cops hated (since they had to pick up the jobs in PJs when the HPD cops were "unavailable").


Hey let's not forget my favorite, the ASPCA police (Anne Marie Lucas on Animal Planet is a hottie).  And what about the NYC watershed police?


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There are still some hold outs like the Sanitation Police (about 160 personnel) but the big three merged back in 1995 (NYPD, Transit, and Housing) and I have heard similar stories like Ralph's from older (no offense Ralph) NYPD officers about sweating in out to see who got grabbed by Transit and Housing.


Geez, I taught recruits int the Police Academy who "sweated" it out...I must be ancient.


 


Three kingdoms were two too many. Communications, payroll, manpower, etc. were all integrated mostly due to cost concerns. Can you imagine the additional chaos of 9-11 with three police departments? As if it wasn't bad enough! But the few smaller agencies are very specialized.


Communications for Transit and surface units are still separate...the modern configuration also allows the influx of street veterans with no transit experience into the Transit Bureau, so the expertise factor suffers somewhat. 


Putting the Housing Bureau on the same radio as precinct units did solve the irritating "no coverage" situation that precinct cops hated (since they had to pick up the jobs in PJs when the HPD cops were "unavailable").


Hey let's not forget my favorite, the ASPCA police (Anne Marie Lucas on Animal Planet is a hottie).  And what about the NYC watershed police?




Good info blue. Well I would say the ASPCA police are pretty specialized...Don't feel old, it's only a state of mind. Then again, if you have a shield number in the double digits...

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..Don't feel old, it's only a state of mind. Then again, if you have a shield number in the double digits...



Lieutenants don't have shield numbers...the last time I had a shield number was as a Sergeant 20 years ago (Yes I have been a Lieu that long)...I am old.

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SeanJon says ...



..Don't feel old, it's only a state of mind. Then again, if you have a shield number in the double digits...



Lieutenants don't have shield numbers...the last time I had a shield number was as a Sergeant 20 years ago (Yes I have been a Lieu that long)...I am old.


Kevin that´s why I´m trying to have you start that group club here it seems that many members need a memory jolt once in a while, your the man!



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..Don't feel old, it's only a state of mind. Then again, if you have a shield number in the double digits...



Lieutenants don't have shield numbers...the last time I had a shield number was as a Sergeant 20 years ago (Yes I have been a Lieu that long)...I am old.



True indeed. Okay, let me rephrase...if your first shield number was in the double digits...you might be a little old.


Actually, you remind me of one of my lieutentants at my first department (right across the river in NJ...go ahead with the jokes; now that I don't live there anymore I hear twice as many as before). He was on the job during the Kennedy administration and he didn't retire until 2000!

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Three kingdoms were two too many. Communications, payroll, manpower, etc. were all integrated mostly due to cost concerns.


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***original was edited for brevity sake ONLY****


I recall reading one of those "true life" Cop books about the NYC Housing Authority Police where in 1 chapter it talked about an incident that took place where some NYCPD  & Housing Cops got into a big beef inside an NYCPD Precinct, and it turned into an all PD brawl with BOTH sides putting out a 10-13....    I can't remember WHICH book it was, it may or MAY NOT have been...and a quick search was unsuccessful


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Ralph, thanks for the PM to my question:) I hear a bed calling my name now Lol. (Yawns.) Take care bro.


 


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