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I have heard that 40 cals have wors recoil than 45 cals.  Is this true?


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To me in general the percieved recoil of a .40 is more unpleasant than just about any other handgun round.  It seems very sharp and snappy.  And there seems to be more torque too.  A .45 is to me more of a push.  Not quite like the push of a black powder firearm, but not a snap.  I'll take a .45 ACP or a .44 Mag loaded with Cor-Bons over just about any .40. 


On the other hand, I know lots of people that think a .40 isn't really much worse than a 9mm.


As Shockusmc said, some guns are worse than others.  Or rather, you will feel it more than in others. 

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Thanks!  As for what type of gun, I was thinking about a Glock 22/23 vs. a Glock 21/30 SF.


All I've ever shot out of hand guns are 22 short, 22LR, 22mag, a 9mm, and 2 rounds of 45 Long Colt.


I just don't get to shoot mutch.  I just got my first gun (a mossinburg 702 22 rifle) last Christmas.  Handguns are my favort.


 


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Didn't care for the .45 Colt, it looks like.  Practice a lot with a 9mm.  After you get comfortable with that, then move up the ladder.  I would seriously suggest stepping to a .45 ACP before trying a .40 S&W.  Get used to that.  Then try the .40.  Doesn't hurt to keep with the .45 Colt either.  Nice little round.  And, for me, the recoil isn't bad.  You may have had a gun that was too big for your hand, or you were holding it too low.  If your grip is off a little it can greatly increase the percieved recoil.  And a revolver usually has more muzzle flip than an pistol (muzzle flip and recoil are two different things, but most people percieve MF as recoil, if that makes sense).


But practice, practice, practice.  And get some coaching. 

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Before you decide to buy a new gun, go to a range that will allow you to "rent" a gun.  Then shoot different ones side by side, make you mind up at that time. 


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I won't be old enought to buy one for years.


I actuly liked the Colt but wen i shot i was 10 and the guy that ownd it freaked me out saying, "make sure to take a few breths between shota or your arms won't get enough oxgen."  I know this is wrong now. 


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I won't be old enought to buy one for years.


I actuly liked the Colt but wen i shot i was 10 and the guy that ownd it freaked me out saying, "make sure to take a few breths between shota or your arms won't get enough oxgen."  I know this is wrong now. 



So you have LOTS of time to try out various handguns.  The advice of practice, practice, practice still holds though.  As does getting some coaching.  Look up Single Action Shooting Society and the member Holy Terror.  She was winning matches when she was 12 or so, I think.  Single action revolver, lever action rifle, and shotgun for their events. 


That guys advice was sort of right and sort of wrong.  A lot of people think that for target shooting you need to keep your arms out in front of you until you empty the magazine or cylender.  This leads to the muscles getting a little starved for O2 and starting to shake.  If you relax your arms and let them drop down, keeping the hand  gun pointing in a safe direction, you give the muscles a chance to relax and get better blood flow.  If you watch the Bullseye shooters they will usually lower the weapon between shots.  Ditto for Olympic shooters.  Run and gun is a whole different matter.

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The .40 burns faster and has more "snap" to it while the .45 has more of a "thump" or "push" to it...I've noticed my G-22 cassings would go over the wall in the indoor range into the next guy's port because of how much energy goes out. The recoil on both is managable and is very minor in comparison....it's not like comparing a 9mm to a .44 mag or anything like that.


.40 S&W shoots between 33,000-35,000 psi (pressure per square inch) out (depending on the grain of bullet).


.45 ACP shoots at about 21,000 psi


10mm shoots about 40,000 psi,  (now we're talking some recoil)


 


To give you some background, the .40 S&W was originally designed for the FBI since their standard issue pistol was the Smith and Wesson 1076 in 10mm. The FBI wanted something with less recoil for their officers and asked S&W to do some research...thus the .40 was born.


Now...if you're REALLY worried about recoil then just buy a 9mm ya pansy!


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For some laughs and giggles, go into Wal-Mart and ask for some '10mm corto" and watch the looks on the faces of the clerks. 


Of course, I am the kind of jerk who asks for 7.65 Browning for my .32 Auto. 

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IMHO, it mostly depends on the gun you use.  I personally feel that 9mm and .40 recoil less than the .45ACP, but then again, a gun that is light in the forward barrel area (think Walther P-38) may seem to have more recoil than larger calibers with a full-length slide.  Another major factor in felt recoil is the height of the barrel axis above the wrist.  The higher the axis, the more the perceived recoil.  This is just a matter of leverage. 


To illustrate this to yourself, hold up your index finger (like a "number one" sign) and press the index finger of the opposite hand against the pad of the upright index finger.  Now release the pressure and press against the base of the upright index finger.  An even better way is to hold something like a pencil or other oblong object in your fist and press against the tip, then press near the base where it is closest to your fist.  It is easy to tell the difference.  Same pressure, different leverage.  This is one of the reasons that Glocks are known for being "soft" recoil guns.  Their barrel axis is quite low compared to many other guns, and this design idea has been emulated by many manufacturers. 


Other factors affecting perceived recoil are the total weight of the pistol, for example an all-steel 1911 versus an alloy frame 1911.  Less mass to soak up the inertia=more felt recoil.  The strength in pounds of the recoil spring makes a difference, too.  Grip ergonomics is also another factor.  My Sig 220 has an alloy frame but due to the grip design it seems to spread out the recoil to make a very comfortable-shooting .45.


Oh, and subdjoe, stop torturing the poor dummies, you know they don't know the difference between a grain and a gram, or much else for that matter. ;-)


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Thanks!  As for what type of gun, I was thinking about a Glock 22/23 vs. a Glock 21/30 SF.


All I've ever shot out of hand guns are 22 short, 22LR, 22mag, a 9mm, and 2 rounds of 45 Long Colt.


I just don't get to shoot mutch.  I just got my first gun (a mossinburg 702 22 rifle) last Christmas.  Handguns are my favort.


 



I just traded my model 22 for a model 21 and I personally feel that the 21 is much more controllable and softer shooting than the 22.  Just my personal and very subjective opinion.  I am seeing little if any difference in ammo prices between the .40SW and the .45 ACP, so go for the .45, it's the king of auto handgun calibers.  9's are definitely cheaper to shoot, though.  And Riot is right, the .45 is more of a "push" than a "snap".


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I have found also that the .40 seems to have more snap as sub said in the Glock 40. The Glock .45 recoil was much different, and I was able to acquire the target for my next shot much quicker with the .45.


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I love the Glock 22.  What I've found is that 9mm has better ballistics and such, and less recoil, but the 40 has way better stopping power and better rapid fire succession.  But that could just be me.


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CCSO8462 wrote: "Oh, and subdjoe, stop torturing the poor dummies, you know they don't know the difference between a grain and a gram, or much else for that matter. ;-)"


 

But the blank looks on their faces when asked for anything in 10mm is priceless!  Sometimes they will ask if I mean 9mm, since they havn't heard of 10mm, much less my alternate name for the 40 S&W. 


When I ask for the 7.65 Browning I get a lot of 7.62 varients brought to me.  It is tempting to bring in a reloading handbook to show them. 


Every now and then Wal-Mart makes a mistake and there is some old fart there who actually knows guns.  That takes the fun out of it.

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CCSO8462 wrote: "Oh, and subdjoe, stop torturing the poor dummies, you know they don't know the difference between a grain and a gram, or much else for that matter. ;-)"

But the blank looks on their faces when asked for anything in 10mm is priceless!  Sometimes they will ask if I mean 9mm, since they havn't heard of 10mm, much less my alternate name for the 40 S&W. 

When I ask for the 7.65 Browning I get a lot of 7.62 varients brought to me.  It is tempting to bring in a reloading handbook to show them. 


Every now and then Wal-Mart makes a mistake and there is some old fart there who actually knows guns.  That takes the fun out of it.


ADDED:  Not there is a thought for Handgunner - Get some reloading handbooks, I like Lymans and Sierra, and read all the front matter on interior and exterior ballistics.  And firearm history.  There is a wealth of information there.  Then start taking a look at the ballistics of the various rounds.  Fascinating stuff. 


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Interesting point about the difference in pistols vs. difference in calibers.  I've never shot a 45 acp other than a Colt (1911A1 military issue or Gold Cup), but I have shot and owned a number of different 40 calibers and haven't noticed much difference.   Whatever the pistol, I found all of the 40 caliber weapons were much easier to keep target acquisition with than the 45. 

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Really with the .45 it depends on your wrist control, from what I've seen.


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Really with the .45 it depends on your wrist control, from what I've seen.



The recoil changes with any caliber if the shooter has a limp wrist. That can also cause a host of other issues.


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Really with the .45 it depends on your wrist control, from what I've seen.



The recoil changes with any caliber if the shooter has a limp wrist. That can also cause a host of other issues.



I mean the ability to control the recoil.


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Wow! This is the first time I started a thred and I am suprised there are sow many replies.  Thank you for your help!!!


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The .40 is a "snap"


The .45 is a "slow roll"

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As for the 10mm...



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10mm could stop a fricken grizzly.


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My dad works with a guy who has a cuple Glock 20 10mms.  He realy likes those guns.


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What i don't under stand is that if a 40 has more recoial and less stoping power than a 45 than why is it so poplar in law enforcehent?  Why don't they use 45 insted? 


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What i don't under stand is that if a 40 has more recoial and less stoping power than a 45 than why is it so poplar in law enforcehent?  Why don't they use 45 insted? 



Most Law Enforcement agencies actually went away from the .45ACP because LEOs were carrying Springfield M1 1911s to replace their revolvers. The .45 ACP round was a good round; however, since few officers actually practiced drawing, placing the weapon off of safe and firing it, there were many problems with it. Also, the M1 only carried 7 rounds (you can get 8 rounds now for them and most gun manufactures make a 1911 in hi-cap now).


LEOs did some research and decided that if everyone had the same firearm, the magazines could be interchangable. Many officers also wanted more rounds per magazine...thus the issue of the Beretta 92FS (a semi-automatic in 9mm, capable of holding 15 rounds in the magazine) became widely accepted for LEO use. Since the .40 S&W was born, LEO found that they can have more takedown power without sacrificing the amount of rounds they carry.


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Heds Up!  AnyoNe who likes glocks join my new group, GLOCK LOVERS.


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Not every LEO is a marksman and I think I read 85% of shots fired during a life/death stressed situation is a miss.  So more rounds, even if the 45 ACP is more of a man-stopper. 

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Not every LEO is a marksman and I think I read 85% of shots fired during a life/death stressed situation is a miss.  So more rounds, even if the 45 ACP is more of a man-stopper. 



Ummm....NO.


Carrying more ammo in anticipation of an 85% miss rate is not the answer.

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More rounds is not to compensate for misses.  Additional rounds are intended to match and quell either adversary firepower or multiple adversaries.


Then again...train not to miss.  Ammo's expensive :-D


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