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JD, understand that what I wrote was not an attack on security officers. I would not do that. I am not sure what youre job has you do each day, so I would not judge you. I can only tell you what I have seen/done.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

To ChaplainKeppy, usualy what they do is call everyone into a meeting and explain to us what happened and the detailes of the death, then we have the option of talking to the Tulsa police chaplain or we can find our own counciling if we need it.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

To Icablue, I understand that, I was not trying to be hatefull or any thing i know what you meant. you said you did not experiance those things as security, i was just saying i have. no attitude intended

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

ODIN has absolutely no respect for anyone.. as far as the hatred of the security profession I am dumbfounded..
There are private security officers that put their life on the line daily.. what about Iraq and Afghanistan to name a couple?? And as far as security officers that work in the private sector here domestically they definitely serve a purpose and the professional ones are much appreciated.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

i agree someone needs to help unlock cars, and refill the toilet paper dispencers in the malls, along with making reports about how many times they had to call the police so they can do something about the bad guys that scare them so much that it keeps them from becomming a police officers... you guys have a very thankless job, keep up the fearless tiresome work..

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I've only read a few of the articles posted here. But I agree with the ones I have read. I am an Armed SO in Pennsylvania. I work for two security companies. One has a contract with the US Department of Homeland Security's Federal Protective Services. I am also an elected Pennsylvania State Constable. I too agree your appearence and attitude go a long way.
I've had to work with other security officers. My whole mission when working is to go home with all of the body parts and the same respect (from the police officers) that I started my shift with. I believe that the police officers that I encounter while working generally respect me. As an PA certified armed SO, I have not more than Citizens Arrest powers. Through the armed security training abd certficiation and as a PA Constable I have been trained in the PA Crimes Codes. As an Armed Officer on the government contract I am trained in the US Crimes Codes. Since I do not have arrest powers, I try to get suspects to talk to me, since I do not have to read them their rights, if they confess to me, I'm a police officers and DA best witness. When the police officers arrive, I tell them what I have witnessed, seen, heard, and been told and then I step back and let the officer conduct his investigation. When a suspect wants to argue with me about what I have reported to the police officer, I do not respond unless asked to do so by the officer.
I have worked with a lot of the black eyes of the security business. I had a partner one time believe that he had to beat the police into a shots fired call that happened off of our property (well off our property). He did this on his own, while I was in the bathroom. I had been a police dispatcher for this department, and we were able to monitor the police radio while working, I heard a police supervisor that I knew very well looking for my partner afterwards. Needless to say he got reemed. I pull the police supervisor aside and explained to him that I had nothing to do with him leaving the property and gave him the phone number for the security company. That officer was asked to resign two days later. For SO like this partner that I had, I have little patients for! At this assignment we were accross the street from a city project. I made it known to all of the evening and night shift officers and supervisor that we would always drive over there when then would geta call in there, but that we would sit in the shadows unless an officer was in danger of getting hurt or killed. It became a common practice for the police officer to exit their cars and look for our vehicle. There were numerous times that we would just get out of our vehicle and walk over to the officer if they were out numbered, even if the incident did not appear to put the officers life indanger.
To all security officers that might read this ... You are not a police officer, but you could become a very reliable allie to them. Build a good repore with them, you never know when you may really need them! Last but not least ... YOU ARE NOT GOD, have and give respect to all!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

ODIN!!! Not quit sure what your deal is, but you need to seek some professional help!!! As an armed security officer for the US DHS, my name is on several Law Enforcement Incident reports in the NCIC system. I am trained by a police academy under the guidelines of the Pennsylvania Lethal Weapons Act, governed by the Pennsylvania State Police. I have also certified with Monadnock Expandable Baton Advanced, Defensive Tactics for Law Enforcement/Security Officers, US GSA Form 2790 (Federal Pistol Qualification), and the US Department of Homeland Security's Contract Guard Training. Besides yearly recertifications that my job requires, I also try to get as much training as I can. I clean and iron my uniforms, my wife shaves my hair every 2-3 weeks, I leather duty gear is cleaned weekly, my boots are polished weekly unless needed sooner, my cuffs are checked and cleaned at least once a month, my service weapon in cleaned weekly - usually after I've been to the range on my own time.
Between my career in Loss Prevention, unarmed security, and armed security, I have been to court 83 times as the lead SO/LPO. I have not lost a case (Because I am professional and I study the Crimes Codes). I was only envolved in one case that was lost in court, and that was because my LP Manager profiled a retail theft incident. Since he did not see the theft and only decided to stop 3 hispanic females (who did steal from our store as wellas 5 others in the mall) because of their race. I was brought into this case after he called me to the exit for a stop what I was told was a witnessed theft.
I have been involved in a shooting incident on one of my security assignment. 3 thugs tried to rob a drug dealer in an apartment complex. I caught one of the actors ... P***ed me off, the drug dealer refused to testify. When I was younger, I was an EMT. I was meeting a friend who was a police officer at the ambulance station to study for an up coming police enterence exam. He got dispatched to a domestic, to a residence well know for domestics. As he arrived the suspect feld into the house and to the second floor. As Tommy got to the top step he was shot in the head (first shot), and four rounds under his vest - all at point blank range. My heart dropped as he radio for assistence. When I got to the scene, if I had not known it was hime, seen his badge, I would not have known it was my friend. I never took the test that was issued on the day of his funneral! In the are were I worked as a part-time police dispatcher, and do most of my security work we have lost 2 police officers in 2 years. One of those officer became a good friend of mine. His wife and my wife went to school together. The night I got home from a FEMA deployment, Scotty was shot and killed, right infront of the police station.
So I don't know what area you are from, but in my area armed security officers are training by the state police, deal with drugs and gangs. And while there maybe a bad apple or 2. There are bad apples in the police officer rolls too! But does this mean that I should judge all police officers like those in the news for violating laws or children? I don't judge anyone until I get to know them. I don't believe what people tell or what the press states about anything. Unless a suspect openly admitts to committing or I have ligitmit proof that they committed a crime. You should take the same approach in life!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I work as a security guard on 3rd shift for a major corporation, and I'll be the first to say that my job DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO WHAT A POLICE OFFICER DEALS WITH. I am doing this job for experience (what little there is), trying to learn as much as possible, while I'm going to school to become a police officer. I understand Odin's point of view, and I can sympathize, just looking at some of my coworkers...but I am not some "wannabe". I am pulling a 4.0, working full time while going to school, and educating myself in any possible way to one day be the best police officer I can be. But I also completed an internship with a major Sheriff's Department, and those 4 months really opened my eyes and cemented my desire. I do not ever think that because I'm security I have "authority". I am only here as a calming influence for people, and to help handle situations. But when I have a problem, I'm calling the police. I respect the job they do, and respect the people. I do not take my job lightly, but I think some people here need to make a distinction: there may be some shitty security guards with criminal records working this job to be "wannabe cops." But there are a few of us who are hardworking and only looking for any type of safety-related experience to better ourselves in the hopes of a future in LE. I also go to school w/ some people who work private security and they're making 6 figures, full benefits, great vacations, etc. I think one issue is that private security pays so much better than real police work, and there's some envy going on...it may not be fair, but it's the way it is. I could stay here, and make good $....but I'm going to take that pay cut and do a job I was born to do. Doesn't mean I don't understand it's the person in the uniform, not the uniform on the person.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

i did an internship with a sheriffs department as well, and it is how i got my foot in the door, i dont think the rest of the guards are catching what i have said, different, not the same, didnt say one was better than the other, but thats how some of the morons took it, when i say morons im mean that with the upmost respect, and no offense to anyone and im not mentioning anyones alias.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

To, ODIN, I want to make one thing clear, I dont think i ever said that security and law enforcement are exactly the same. (if i did show me and i will eat my fingers so i cant type anymore). I said some things are alike. i know that their are some things that i will probably never do that police officers do. Just to clear things up. any way i will be waiting for your sarcastic reply ! LOL

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Well having spent 7 years as a Part Time Deputy Sheriff with the first year doing undercover narcotics and also a Security Officer for 20 plus years I can relate to both sides. There is a big difference between security guards and security officers. I take pride in my profession. I work in a low income housing project I have been in fights,drug apprehensions (detainment for local Leos) and a year ago I was shot at. So in some instances our job is as tough as Leos and sometimes tougher. I have EARNED the respect of the City Police Officers I come in contact with because they see the difference between a Guard and an Officer. Every Felony detainment I have made in my SO time has stuck. So i guess I have some idea of what I am doing just as well as the 1000's of other SO's out there that take the time to get thier training usually on our own and out of our own pockets and take the time to care about our jobs.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

ODIN, taking a good look at the pic on your profile, I think you are very proud of being a horses ass. Maybe you have had several bad experiences while working as a security guard and you feel that it's due to your inability to work and play well with others. You seem to have a negitive answer for everything and everybody. I suggest you take a really long look at yourself and get some clue of what the term TEAMWORK means.

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thank you, i am humbled in your presents,,,or i dont really care enough to start this bs again.

you be the judge.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

people have their own opinions about Security Officers. Let them say what they wanna say because it doesnt bother me. Why? Because I know I'm a professional and act professionally when it comes to my job. Someone doesnt like it or me at work, I just simply show them the door. I dont take it personal because if you do, you've just lowered yourself to someone elses standards. Lets all be a team here and work together and lets get over this hump, 10-4??

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

You are right who needs security officers? As a police officer i would LOVE to hang out in a building with low pay and little respect.Really there are way too many police officers in this country we CAN be everywhere at all times and we dont need any help.Are you kidding me?Security officer are needed and deserve our respect.I cant stand when people forget where they came from.I worked security for 3 1/2 years,corrections for 2 yrs and i was a reserve police officer for 1 1/2 and i know from working those positions that SOME police officers think unless you are a full time police officer you dont deserve law enforcement respect.I am a full time county police officer now.I WONT forget where i came from. I agree some security officers look like crap in their uniform but so do some police officers.

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The problem is security is a very different profession.

If you would take 100 police officers from different departments and compare their jobs you would see most day to day activities would be the same. Sure each department has different policies and procedures but at the end they all have the same core.

If you take 100 people in the security field and compare their jobs you would find a vast amount of differences between each one. Private security is so diverse in everyway. Take all the different types of security for example. Concert Security, Job Site Security, Mall Security, Armored Car Security are just a few examples. Although they can all be classified as “Security” the amount of skill, knowledge and professionalism needed differs from each one.

To put all security professionals in one boat is wrong. Much like the public does with law enforcement. For example: “Oh those cops beat up a man of a different race, they must all be aggressive racist pigs”. That statement is wrong just like a lot of LE views on security. For most it is based on a bad experience that you have had with an unprofessional security official and your mind is made up from that point on.

In conclusion if you are one who would throw all in the security profession together and base your beliefs on some bad experiences know this. There are professionals out there who do a great job and it is there chosen profession. As a law enforcement officer you would not like to be thrown in with those who give LE a bad name, just as security professionals don’t want to be. You should think about that the next time your quick to judge.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Hey when did this thread come back?

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this is one of those threads for the security guards to come to jump up and down waving their arms telling eveyone that they should get state retirement and the same respect as a law enforcement officer.
We have to hear about how many thugs and murder suspects they track down and prosecute on a daily basis, and how many lives they save just like police officers.
to hear it from them we dont need police officers anymore because they do the same job. it is not good enough to have the respect of being a good and profesional security guard, they want the same respect as a good and profesional police officer.

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odin, i agree(see above, blah, blah) only difference is, what about retired police officers who are experienced, and might be working to make ends meet. wish i would have gone to dental school like my mother suggested.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

NO one except fallen officers, deserves more respect than officers that have made it to retirement.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

copy that odin! here in ny, even retired police officers have to get a ny state security guard license. just to supplement a dismal pension and to put food on the table.

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ODIN said:

this is one of those threads for the security guards to come to jump up and down waving their arms telling eveyone that they should get state retirement and the same respect as a law enforcement officer.
We have to hear about how many thugs and murder suspects they track down and prosecute on a daily basis, and how many lives they save just like police officers.
to hear it from them we dont need police officers anymore because they do the same job. it is not good enough to have the respect of being a good and profesional security guard, they want the same respect as a good and profesional police officer.

You are right ODIN. I agree with you. Alot of security officers want the same respect when the job is not the same.
In NYC I can tell you how many security officers used to be "thugs" and have records, etc... It is not the same at all. LEOs do way more.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

TESTIFY MY SISTER.

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I been doing security for about a year and a half, auxiliary police for almost 3 years. Completing my 2yr degree in criminal justice. I see it like this: It all depends on the person and their work ethics and how they present themselves when they're doing the job.

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are you married or happy?holding down two jobs and getting a degree, thats dedication.

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Neither. Just single and looking to mingle....

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NycAux said:

Neither. Just single and looking to mingle....

You're at the best place to mingle. Here. LOL

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jims4 said:


NycAux said:


Neither. Just single and looking to mingle....


You're at the best place to mingle. Here. LOL


LOL.....

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Do a google search of definition of a security guard and it will give you a free dictionary. Look at this
The security officer motto is to "detect, deter, observe and report." Security officers are not normally required to make arrests (but have the authority to make a citizens arrest) or otherwise act as police officers, except in some (notably United States) jurisdictions in which the security officer is invested with arrest powers like those of a county sheriff. In contrast to the above mentioned motto, a Private Security Officer's actual primary duty is prevention of crime. Security personnel do enforce company rules and can act to protect lives and property. In fact, they frequently have a contractual obligation to provide these actions. Security Officers are often trained to perform arrest and control procedures (including handcuffing and restraints), operate emergency equipment, perform first aid, CPR, take accurate notes and write effective reports, and perform other tasks as required by the property they are protecting. Many security officers are required to go through additional training mandated by the state for the carrying of weapons such as baton, firearms, and pepper spray. Some officers are required to complete police certification for special duties such as Private Police Officers. In recent years, due to elevated threats of terrorism, security officers are required to have bomb threat training as well as emergency crisis training.

One major economic justification for security personnel is that insurance companies (particularly fire insurance carriers) will give substantial rate discounts to sites which have a 24-hour presence; for a high risk or high value venue, the discount can often exceed the money being spent on its security program. This is because having security on site increases the odds that any fire will be noticed and reported to the local fire department before a total loss occurs. Also, the presence of security personnel (particularly in combination with effective security procedures) tends to diminish "shrinkage," theft, employee misconduct and safety rule violations, property damage, or even sabotage. Many casinos hire security guards to protect the money when transferring it from the casino to the casino's bank.

Security personnel may also perform access control at building entrances and vehicle gates by ensuring that employees and visitors display proper passes or identification before entering the facility. Security officers are often called upon to respond to minor emergencies (lost persons, lockouts, dead vehicle batteries, etc.) and to assist in serious emergencies by guiding emergency responders to the scene of the incident and documenting what happened on an incident report. Security Officers (usually armed for this function) are frequently contracted to respond in a similar fashion as police officers until a given situation at a client location is under control and/or public authorities arrive on the scene.

Although security officers are a distinct type of personnel from either police officers or the military, in the United States a very high proportion of security personnel, including most senior management personnel, are either former or retired members of one or both services. Many security officers who don't fit this profile (young people in particular) use the job as a springboard into a police career.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Excellent post NYCAux. Hopefully it may educate some. Security is a very vital service in many businesses. If all security officers performed their jobs according to your post, they would all be respected. It is the rambo type and so called wannabes that color the attitude towards security by those that have a negative attitude toward the profession.

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