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Getting "Tased" at the Academy

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From what I have read, it seems that during tazer training at the academy, you are required to be hit by a tazer in order to know what you are doing to other people as well as know what to expect should a suspect get a hold of your weapon (which i think is a GREAT idea).  However,  I was born with a Aortic Stenosis (a heart murmur) and when asking my cardiologist about this, he said it could kill me.  Would my condition hinder me in any way from persuing a career as a police officer once I am out of college? Please help!

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I know you can light up people with pacemakers or pregnant women ( they did it to pigs with no adverse effects). It is a less than lethal device, but its not perfect it does kill people occasionally. Im sure it differs from agency to agency but my department didnt require us to get tased. Yes we had to take a class and getting tased was only if you wanted to.Are you sure that the department absolutely requires you to?


 


also when I went to academy the didnt offer taser training ( it was a multi agency training center), we did it once we graduated and got back.


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Im not absolutley sure, I have had my eyes set on the San Jose Police department and am not sure if they require you to.

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Well if you do a ride a long or something ask em if its a requirement. Thats a small thing in the whole picture of becoming a law enforcement officer. There are a million other hurdles you have to get over to even get the job.


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..as Reserves we get tazed at the training days. Well once. You mean you also do it at the Academy? This is news.


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Like any other less than lethal tool it is usually a pre existing medical condition that causes a person to be killed and not the tool itself. (when used properly hence all the training) Otherwise they would take them away from us completely.


I am not a doctor and I know nothing about heart murmurs but, if the doc said you may be killed I would definately heed the advice. I didn't get trained in the academy on the tazer, my department trained me and like Natalie's department getting tazed was optional. Me being the dumbarse that I am went for the 5 second ride.


Look for an academy that doesn't do the tazer training and find a department that gives you an option.


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Thank you Natalie and Rookie! I'll take that into concideration when looking for a police department to join

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I have heard that not all heart conditions should make you double think getting tasered, but a heart murmor is a condition that can cause your heart to stop after getting tasered. It is one reason people sue after their family member died after getting tasered.


There was a news statement on PoliceLink that I got in my e-mail that said something like tasers have been found to not have as big effect as once thought. I'll go look for it.


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Vincent. I am about your age with a similar heart defect. I believe I had a slight Epstiens's anominly of the Trisucpid valve. My cardiologist says I no longer have it. I believe I also had ASD. Aortic something I cant remember deficiency. I even had to be shocked with an AED on December 24, 2007.


I have an irregular heart beat and this seems to be true. You just have to hope you dont get tasered.


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I too have an arotic valve stenosis and just got tazed last week at the academy- obviously I am fine. The tazer doesn't affect your heart rate, it is set to the rate of your nerve impulses or something along those lines. You have to go with your gut, but I wouldn't worry about it. It only hurts for a second...well 5...lol


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Back in the day, we used pepper spray and you were required to take a hit of it to see how it would affect a suspect.


Dog-gone it, it was nasty! I think would had been shot instead!

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Whoah! I thought for sure that getting tazed would be worse than pepper spray, have you been tazed before?

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I don't know about anyone else, but I've been tazed and pepper sprayed before and would take being tazed any day over getting pepper sprayed again!


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alright, good to know.  Ive wanted to be a cop since I was about 8 so Ill do whatever it takes.  But just out of curiosity, how bad did it hurt?  like is there anything you can compare being tazed to?

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Hell Ya, It is like being hit in the back with a jackhammer and then once on the ground the jackhammer keeps going for the remainder of the 5 seconds.  I have been hit with a taser more times than I care to remember.  It is a great tool, Taser intl. does not require that you take the ride to be certified.  (Except for master instructors) Then you are subject to numerous applications.  3 years ago at the Master Instructor School they did a medical study and if you "volunteered" you had a 15 sec ride.  ( But you got a free X26)   I will tell you 15 seconds seems like a year if you are under power.


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hmmm, good to know.  Thank you for giving me some info on this, I guess i can try to be prepared for it when the day comes that I get tazed


Would you recomend doing it even if the department gives you an option?

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I can tell you that most academies will do taser training and being hit with it is totally optional, but you feel like a coward if you don't and they make you feel that way on purpose.  The academy is about building the team mindset and pulling everyone through.  The taser is not as bad as people make it seem either. Sure it hurts, atleasts it's over fairly quick.....THE OC is the beast of the beasts. It continues to burn for quite a while depending upon the grade and mixture used for your test. There are no options on OC, you have to get hit to be certified with it.  Most taser training setups will go for 5 seconds unless you go down. They are suppose to stop at this point, b/c you are no longer a "threat" as the drill goes. Most academies you will be shot by a fellow cadet, so it is a training exercise as well.  There is one south of here that lets the cadets just sit on a "hot line" all at one time instead of shots......it will depend on your academy and the training staff as to which method they will use as well.

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The department that I was working for when I went through Tazer certification made it optional to be tazed.  Of course, I was the only female....so I did elect to be tazed.  To save money on the cartridges, they actually had probes coming from the tazer that they attached to your clothing.  OK....didn't know this at the time, but the tighter the clothes the more it hurts.  I wore blue jeans and they attached the probes to each of my back pockets.  The person who was operating the Tazer was standing in front of me.  The anticipation of watching his fingers on that Tazer was almost as bad as the shock.  Needless to say, I survived with two blisters on my butt!!

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California POST does not require a cadet to be tased. And the scientific principle behind use of the Taser has nothing to do with cardiac interference. It has to do with muscular stimulation based on current, not voltage. A Taser cannot be used in lieu of an AED. Your physcian may not know all the information regarding the use and 'mechanics' of a Taser. Keep in mind, there is a chance you could get in the path of a Taser being deployed in the field under patrol conditions. In this case, does your doctor's assessment come to play, even though you didn't participate in the Academy? And, candidly, is your condition an automatic disqualifier for employment as a California LEO? All I am doing is asking questions. You might pass on the link below to your doctor and then ask him the question.


Check out the following link for more info on the typical Taser now used by most agencies:


www.taser.com/research/Science/Pages/BasicElectricPrinciples.aspx


And, oh, I've been Tased. No big deal. Nothing like a little "Edison Medicine" to replace morning coffee !


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Ive done both ( taser and oc) numerous times ....and I'd rather get a dose of the edison medicine than freaking OC. OC kills me, it seems like it stays in my eyes forever.. nasty.


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Thank you all for you answers,  Each of them helped me in getting an answer, especially TheSarge and KayLynn!  In all, I think that I will choose to get tasered even if it is optional since it wont affect my heart.  I think I had the wrong idea on tasers as far as the heart part goes.  Oh, and thanks for the link TheSarge 


 


Thanks again everyone!

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If after you share the link regarding the Taser with you physician and he maintains his position that the Taser could be dangerous to you as an individual, adhere to your doctor's direction and recommendation. He may know something about your condition that maybe you don't even know.


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I'd take the Taser over pepper spray any day. That stuff is nasty.


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Light me up!! But keep the OC away from me. At least the Taser is over quick!


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 I am in background for the San Jose PD and while I was on a ride-along with one of their officers I asked about this. He told me it isn't mandatory but some people prefer to just get a small dose to get an idea of what you are administering. Usually the taser is set to 5 seconds of voltage as a standard for officers. However, I believe that you only get around 2 seconds worth of shock if you are trying it out on yourself.

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 I am in background for the San Jose PD and while I was on a ride-along with one of their officers I asked about this. He told me it isn't mandatory but some people prefer to just get a small dose to get an idea of what you are administering. Usually the taser is set to 5 seconds of voltage as a standard for officers. However, I believe that you only get around 2 seconds worth of shock if you are trying it out on yourself.



That's good info for him.


At my dept., if you want to carry OC or tazer, you have to be sprayed or tazed.  At my former dept, it was the same with OC (tazers weren't out yet or common for law enforcement).  So I've been sprayed twice.  Totally sucks!  We're still in the process of getting tazers, I haven't had the pleasure yet.

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Its mandatory to get sprayed and take the ride to carry at my dept.  I dont look foreward to OC again, but I found a great product called Sudecon that will stop the misery quick. Takes about 5 mins. or so. My shift always carrys  at least three or four packages just in case.

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Talk to your Doctor first anyway. Taser has conducted many tests (info. should be available to you). Do your own research.


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We only did the "hotline" in the Academy but could volunteer for the five second ride. After the hotline I was not too interested in that....I got the point already. I do remember a doctor in the Army telling me that it doesn't work the same as if you grabbed a power line that stops your heart, something about crossed currents entering one part of the body and exiting the other that stops your heart. But, I don't really know....sooooo I will leave it at; C.S. hurts, Tazer really hurts, and O.C., really really hurts!


 

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I know a trooper in GA who refuesed to carry one. His excuse was that they didn't shoot him with that glock so why would they shoot him with that taser.

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