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Poll: Do you carry your off-duty weapon to church?

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How many of you carry your off-duty to church?  Why do you or don't you carry to church?

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A church can be a very good target for any extremist.  I could not live with myself if anything were to happen, and I didn't have my weapon to protect my family and others.

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Howdy Folks,


 


Erle is right.  Churches are becoming targets for extremist idots.  Several churches have had shootings and gay rights protestors have interrupted church services since California Pop 8 was approved.   Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, USA, ret., one of this nations most respected law enforcement & military trainers has stated that you should carry in church.  


 


Dan


 


 


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A church can be a very good target for any extremist.  I could not live with myself if anything were to happen, and I didn't have my weapon to protect my family and others.


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Yes and with my pastor's blessing.

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My pastor does and he asked me to.


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It is against the law to carry a firearm into a church in the State of Utah... Utah code  76-10-530.


http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_053000.htm


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There was a story from a LEO (I think it was somewhere in TX), where the officer was off duty, at church with his family. He never carried his off duty gun at Church. Well on that day, a psych patient escaped from custody, went to that church and started a rampage, shooting a number of church goers. That officer had to live with himself, as his son lay dying in his arms. I think Lt Grossman pointed out this story, but its a chilling reminder that while Church grounds are sacred to us, it may not be to someone else. Do what you feel is necessary, but could you be that LEO who gave up his son.


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I carry at church, my pastor knows about it and has no issue with it. What I carry depends on what I am wearing, but minimum is my .45 Long Colt derringer, and my Star 9mm if I have room. Our church is in the country, and I would hate to know how many guns are out in the vehicles in the parking lot! If I can slow the perps down a little, I have no doubt that once a few can sneak out (large church) the situation could be brought under control.

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FireDad6 says ...



It is against the law to carry a firearm into a church in the State of Utah... Utah code  76-10-530.


http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_053000.htm



 


     76-10-530.   Trespass with a firearm in a house of worship or private residence -- Notice -- Penalty.

     (1) A person, including a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to Title 53, Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Weapon Act, after notice has been given as provided in Subsection (2) that firearms are prohibited, may not knowingly and intentionally:

         


(5) Nothing in this section permits an owner who has granted the lawful right of possession to a renter or lessee to restrict the renter or lessee from lawfully possessing a firearm in the residence.

   


I have read this Code that you posted and I do not understand were it is against the law to posses a firearm in a church in the State of Utah.  I may be reading this code wrong but I see it as a person has the right to carry in a church unless a church representative has stated or posted otherwise.  in subsection (1) it states that after notice has been given, so if no notice is given is it still against the law.  I am from Florida so you must excuse me if I am wrong.  Please dont take this the wrong way if I am  mistaken please correct me......


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I carry everytime.  As with most I would rather have the option if something happens.

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I'm not an officer yet, but when I do get the job, and if allowed, I will definitly carry at church.


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I always carry. Period. I do so because I will not be a victim and will not stand by and do nothing while someone else becomes one.


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Here is a link to look at...   http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFchurch.html


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Yeah, there's a wave of this kind of thing going around now. Right after MN instituted the concealed carry law the notices showed up all over the place. I guess I see why some don't want the weapons on their property, but, I also see that law abiding citizens are not the threat and feel they have the right to have the means to protect themselves.


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I would carry in a church also due to the state of the nation.  Also the Federal Law Enforcement Protection act over rides State law to not carry in a church.

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I agree. The thing to me is so somple anyway. Mine is concealed... Unless I am placed in the position that I need to use it no one is ever going to know.


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And in that case....they'll probably thank you for carrying in the end.


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i carry everywhere that i am not prohibited by law to carry! i have very little faith in the goodness of human nature as no one is perfect! the house of god is not exempt from tragedy and therefore i will not go down without a fight. only once i am dead, will someone be able to even attempt to try and extract my firearm from my cold, rigid fingers!

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when i become a cop i thint i will


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FireDad6 says ...



Here is a link to look at...   http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFchurch.html



As I read this, it pertains to all of the Church of the Latter-Day Saints in Utah, and any other church that gives notice


 


." A person, including a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to Title 53, Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Weapon Act, after notice has been given as provided in Subsection (2) that firearms are prohibited, may not knowingly and intentionally:

     (a) transport a firearm into:"


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some times i have to look at it that the places that say no guns are the best targets for the crimnals. so i look at as i'd rather be juged by 12 than carried by 6.


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I live and work next to New Life Church in Colorado Springs, any questions?


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Normally, Police Officers are authorized to carry their firearms under statutes specifically written for Police Officers. My question is whether or not the Utah statute cited addresses police officers or only those private citizens authorized to carry concealed weapons. In Oklahoma, the Self Defense Act DOES NOT apply to officers, only private citizens. I would be interested to know if there are other Utah statutes related to police officers carrying. The statute does not mention officers, and if officers do not derive their authority to carry a firearm off-duty from the cited statute, and fall under a different statute, then that statute should NOT restrict an officer from carrying, only a private citizen who has a concealed weapons permit.


I ALWAYS carry my firearm.


 

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My Glock 17 is My American Express. Never leave home without it. If I'm going somewhere Posted as No Concealed handguns, then I leave it in the truck. Otherwise, it's within arms reach at all times. You never know when Johnny Crackhead is waiting in line at the same movies you are. You may not remember him, but he will remember you. That's a guarantee. So if he's carrying and you're not, then what. As Far as at church, I'm not much of a church going type of fella, but if I was, I would ask the church administration first, and then hopefully with their blessing, have her handy with me at all times.


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DavisE says ...



A church can be a very good target for any extremist.  I could not live with myself if anything were to happen, and I didn't have my weapon to protect my family and others.



                 AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!!


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just to bring back an old thread...


the church i go to has a couple officers, and all are encouraged to carry. the church i used to go to, and partents still attend, are very strict about not allowing anyone to bring and firearm in or around. that church has one retired officer and a retired navy SEAL. of all people to carry, i would plead the SEAL to carry, but the church seems to think otherwise. my dad is a member of the board, upon my swearing in, he told me that most of the board has no opinion about officers carrying, but since the minister does not want it, the board is respecting his wishes.


 

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I think it's illegal in VA, but many pastors (At least around here) have no issue with it, they welcome both Officers and civillians to carry.

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I'm not a police officer yet but I do carry a gun pretty much everywhere I go. Depends what I'm wearing, if I'm wearing a dress then I don't (I don't like taking a purse with me, I just grab my wallet) but if I'm wearing jeans & t-shirt then yeah, I have one of my guns. My pastor has no problem with me carrying as long as I have it well hidden or he'll get a headache from the old ladies gripping about me having it. This is a medium sized city that almost always has a lot of traffic and it sometimes takes police officers awhile to respond.

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 This is a bill President Bush signed (sounds like some are not aware of it) only place you are restricted by law is FEDERAL BUILDINGS


The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons -- the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law enforcement officer" -- to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of any state or local law to the contrary, with certain exceptions.


The LEOSA was considered during the 108th Congress as H.R. 218. It was signed into law by President George W. Bush on July 22, 2004 as Public Law 108-277. It is codified as 18 U.S. Code 926B (qualified law enforcement officers) and 926C (qualified retired law enforcement officers).




 

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I do carry at church with my pastors knowledge.  I explained to him why I do and he stated that was find, just o keep it quiet.  Nobody know that I carry other then my wife and him. 

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