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Just out of curiosity, any of you tactical marksmen prefer semuauto rifles over bolt action rifles FOR THE PURPOSE of police tactical marksmanship?


I have bot a Century Arms L1A1 and a Savage Arms LE bolt action.....and thinking of getting my hands on a CETME/HK91/PTR91 style rifle.  Want to convert both of my semi autos into complete weapon systems with optics and bipods. 


Anyone uses either of these weapons or similar for LE marksmanship?  Since we are mainly talking about max distances of 300m, and the norm being under  50-100m....I often question the bolt action only approach. 


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Not an SRT, but a former DCM competitor.  My experience with the M1 Garand tells me that I don't need a bolt rifle out to 200-300 meters.  I would also say that the M1A is an even better choice.  The FN FAL would also easily fall into the category of a sniper-accurate semi.  DCM competition is with iron sights from 200 to 600yds, military rifles only.  I had the pleasure of shooting with the MO state champion in several matches back in the '80's.  (I was no competition to him at all, but seeing his targets inspired me to work harder on my shooting skills.)


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Being new to precision marksmanship I have no experience with the autoloaders.  Since I shoot left handed I really want to try a M1A or AR10 Type I think I can do better with a good auto over a bolt gun.  Someday I will aquire one and prove or disprove that


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Not an SRT, but a former DCM competitor.  My experience with the M1 Garand tells me that I don't need a bolt rifle out to 200-300 meters.  I would also say that the M1A is an even better choice.  The FN FAL would also easily fall into the category of a sniper-accurate semi.  DCM competition is with iron sights from 200 to 600yds, military rifles only.  I had the pleasure of shooting with the MO state champion in several matches back in the '80's.  (I was no competition to him at all, but seeing his targets inspired me to work harder on my shooting skills.)



M1A/M14/M21 is an outstanding weapon system and in a target rich environment, is much better than a bolt action as long as we are not talking shots out to 800m. 


But then thats what is really dominating my thinking....a military sniper and a police tactical marksman are two different animals and honestly, I really would prefer a semiauto over a bolt action though I have both.  Im hoping that with good optics, and frankly sound marksmanship skills, would still make for a tight shot group at 100-300 meters.  If thats the case, a 50-75m fatal T face shot isnt an issue. 


I have the FAL like you mentioned and it shoots VERY well when zeroed correctly, and not that bad when not zeroed.  Curious if anyone has also used the HK91 as a tactical marksman weapon.


And for you guys who have attended a police sniper training course, did anyone else there have semiauto rifles?

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Semi-auto systems have come a long way in recent years, but IMHO still can't compare to a bolt action when it comes to distance.


People seem to be concerned with making head shots at 800 yds and to be honest, is unrealistic. To the best of my knowledge the longest shot in police sniper history is well under 100 yards. The key is to know your particular rifle's capabilities and know what it can and can't do. It needs to be an extension of you.

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Semi-auto systems have come a long way in recent years, but IMHO still can't compare to a bolt action when it comes to distance.


People seem to be concerned with making head shots at 800 yds and to be honest, is unrealistic. To the best of my knowledge the longest shot in police sniper history is well under 100 yards. The key is to know your particular rifle's capabilities and know what it can and can't do. It needs to be an extension of you.



Right, bolt action is the king when it comes to long range marksmanship....but it sure has its limitations when talking followup shots, and or target rich environments. Im looking for under 300m, truth me told...we are cops, even 100m is pushing what we see in reality.