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Advice Needed NPS / USDA FS

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Posted about 5 years ago

 

     I am in Iraq now, and am hoping to start a career in either the NPS or Forest Service's law enforcement divisions. I have been applying for the NPS for over 2 years now with no luck. I get through the resume submittal and a letter that says my resume has been forwarded to the hiring authority every time, but that is as far as I get. I have not attended a seasonal academy, and to be honest I really am hoping to find a full time job with a trip to FLETC included. I understand that may not be likely due to the number of seasonal rangers looking to work full time, so please do not mistake that for arrogance. I have started to research the USDA Forest Service's law enforcement, and am interested in that as well, but I have not seen any open positions on USA Jobs or the AVUE application. I may be doing the job search wrong, but from what I can gather from the website they are listed as GS-1802.


    I would be willing to start in a WG position cutting trails for the parks, or as a forestry aid for the national forest if that is what it takes to get my foot in the door, but I feel that would be a delay in the process. If anyone has any tips on what I could do to boost my resume or at least get an interview I would appreciate that.

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Good luck young man

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I can empathise.   I have a degree in forestry and couldn't get hired on to the US Forest Service as a full-time technician.


Last I tried applying, there was a dedicated USFS website where I filled out an online application.  I think I applied for 16 national forests and got one or two notices that they had received my application.  The silence was deafening.  <sigh>   But then, that was 20 years after my last seasonal position.


Being an Iraq veteran should help with getting on with the government because you should rate bonus points.  When I applied as a white civilian male the best I could rate was a possible 100 points.   Women and minorities got an extra 5 points and Viet Nam vets could get as much as an extra 15 over and above the possible 100. :-(


About all I can suggest is keep trying.


Oh, the other thing... you might have better luck applying for the "less desireable" (less famous) parks and see what happens.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

www.fs.fed.us/fsjobs/openings.shtml     have you tried looking here?


And I forgot the most important thing....  THANK YOU for your service to our Country, my young friend. 

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Well, first thank you so much for your service to out country.  Good luck in your search...have you looked at any of the state fish/game commissions as a Game Warden.  Keep trying and once again good luck.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

        Thanks for the input, I have looked into the State Level agency here in Texas, but they are pretty strict on Education (I have not finished my degree). I have not looked into other states yet either. I am hoping to keep it Federal because I would like my retirement to transfer over. As I said, I have been trying for several years for NPS, but now I am leaning towards the Forest Service. I have called a few of the Forest Offices and received a lot of help from the agents working there. I am pretty positive I need to focus my attention on the FS or BLM.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Well good luck with your search.  Stay safe!!

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Unless I miss my guess, the state of Connecticut is cutting its bachelors degree requirement for Game Wardens...Im not sure if they implemented this, but I did read that they were considering it since many potential recruits go elsewhere when they come with degrees.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Thanks for your service. It will get you vet points on the application, but unless you've attended one of the NPS seasonal academies or been thru FLETC, you wont get hired. The Forest Service may be easier to get in. It is a combined class at FLETC so once you get that it is easier to go between agencies. There is also BLM and FWS. Good luck. WG jobs will get you into the service but still will not get you into LE work without an academy. God Bless and come home safe.


"You may know where you are and God may know where you are, but if dispatch doesn't know where you are. . . Let's put it this way - you and God better be pretty good friends." - author unknown

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I am in state conservation LE. But I know lots of USFS LEOs. Several of them started in other Federal LE positions like USBP, Customs, etc. where there are more positions available, similar hiring requirements and of course FLETC as part of the gig.  They then apply to the USFS after a couple of years and are much more likely to get picked up as they are then already trained and experienced.  One of my cohort's son did exactly that route from USBP to USFS.  Good luck.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I've been out of the hiring loop for a few years, but we were able to hire veterans through the "Veterans Readjustment Act" without competition.  If this conflict qualifies for the VRA,  you need to sell yourself to a supervisor, District Ranger, Chief Ranger, or other hiring authority and let them know about the VRA.  People tend to forget about this law.


Tommy v


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"The first rule of law enforcement is make sure you can go home at the end of your shift. Here endeth the lesson.". "Jim Malone" played by Sean Connery in The Untouchables.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I've worked for TPWD and NPS in non-LE positions. I wanted to do  the same thing as you; to get a LE position in NPS or FWS. I had been applying to various positions for between three to four years. I ended up getting a Fed LE postion in a different agency just to get covered before I turned 37. If you are close to the age cut-off, I'd suggest taking what ever Fed LE position you can to get covered. LE NPS positions are difficult to score. You are competeing against all of the seasonals that already have a NPS LE commision that can perform the job immediately (even though they eventually have to go to FLETC). Plus, they have references concerning their performance in the job that can be talked to. You seem to be aware of that already, though. If you can wait, go to the two year training for your seasonal NPS LE cert. or get a full degree. Take advantage of thet G.I. Bill. If you were a Texas resident when you entered the military, you also have the Hazelwood act to pay for higher education.  Work or volunteer with what ever NPS, FWS or Forest Service place is nearest to were you are going to school to gain experience in the agency and, more importantly, contacts.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Very good advice.


tommy v


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"The first rule of law enforcement is make sure you can go home at the end of your shift. Here endeth the lesson.". "Jim Malone" played by Sean Connery in The Untouchables.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Here's how I did it.  I was a city cop with a bachelors in criminal justice, and a disabled veteran.  I decided I wanted to work for NPS and applied to numerous positions.  Got denied everytime.  I called one of the parks to ask why I was getting denied and was told it was because I had not been to a Seasonal Park Ranger Academy.  I took a two month leave of absence from the PD and attended an academy at Southwestern Community College in Franklin, NC.  Returned home and again applied for numerous NPS jobs and one FS job.  Within four weeks I was working for the Forest Service and NPS was calling on a weekly basis to offer me a job.


If you want to work for NPS, the seasonal academy is the best way to get in.  If you want to work for FS, FWS, BLM, being a veteran will definitely benefit you.  Picking up a non LE job in one of those agencies is also a good way to start.  Get your foot in the door and get to know the local LEO.


Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management LE jobs are advertised as 1801.


Good Luck and Thanks for your service.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

I went similar route. I was a   Vietnam Era Vet, wanting to work for the Park Service  I went to college and studied Wildlife Biology, i worked with some big names in the field, and when I applied I did not get one call from a park.  I heard about a California Post Academy that offered a Seasonal National Park  Ranger Academy program.  At the time it was the only one.  A buddy and I quit our jobs, and headed out to Santa Rosa California.  We were in the  5th ever, graduating class from the Seasonal Ranger Academy.  Six months later I was working in Yosemite National Park, and I worked until retirement 20.5 years later. 


By the way being a veteran gets you an extra 5 points on your application, a combat  vet 10 points, Purple Heart/disabled vet I believe is 15 points.  Once you are hired into your first permanent job you loose the points, but compensated vets have to be considered before anyone else.


Tommy v


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"The first rule of law enforcement is make sure you can go home at the end of your shift. Here endeth the lesson.". "Jim Malone" played by Sean Connery in The Untouchables.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

Thanks for all  of the advice everyone. I have shifted my sights from NPS and am now focusing on BLM and USDA FS. I have called a few forest and talked to the LEs who have given me some insight on the hiring process. I am looking at some future openings in the BLM and should be ok on the requirements for 1801 series jobs, and If not full time college will be the next step. Looks like the post 9/11 GI Bill is going to be a pretty sweet deal.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

The Forest Service opened 16 positions in the Pacific Northwest. I went ahead and applied. I have my fingers crossed, but I am afraid that it is still too soon to apply. Unfortunately I still have quite a bit of time left over here.

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

The application process can take some time. I don't know how the forest service is. The hiring center won't start with the process until the positions close anyway. How long are they open?

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Rate This | Posted about 5 years ago

 

find out who your local congressman is and write him a letter for the "hook" if you think that isnt proper, some dad is doing it for his kid as we speak.

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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

I might be a little biased, but have you thought about the US Fish and Wildlife Service. Check it out on USAJOBS.gov


Good luck and Stay Safe young man!

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Rate This | Posted about 3 years ago

 

You sound just like me! I am Army National guard with a deployment under me which has given me 5 point veterans preferance. I have decided actually a few years ago to atttend a National Park Ranger academy in Colorado which offers 2 different options http://www.cncc.edu/cms/content/national-park-ranger-overview. GI Bill should help you pay for it. I am also looking at changing my military job to MP and/or transfering to AF Guard or Reserve Security Forces/police. I have exeperience working on the non-LEO side for the Forest Serivce and BLM. I am hoping to go there this coming fall/winter after working for  FS or BLM for the Summer. Dont rule out any agency with DOI either.


-Patrick