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Does anybody use k9s in security? I have a 4 month old ( as of 1/17/09) German Shepherd mix that I'd love to be able to train up and take out with me.


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Most of the K-9s I've seen used in security tend to be the "guard" dog variety....the ones that are not "handler" controlled but left to run loose inside an area.


However, there are some security companies out there that are getting into using patrol trained type K-9s. The biggest use is in explosive detection.


I worked for a Hospital system in AZ that had several patrol K-9s in use, the security department was not armed with firearms.


To use your own private K-9 in a security function would require both certification and insurance first....


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C.L.E.E.T. told me that if he's not to be used as a "narc" or "bomb" K9 then I don't have to certify him, but if he bites someone then it's on me. I'm looking into certifying him as Personal Protection and the laws for Oklahoma. I was surprised when C.L.E.E.T.  told me about the security side. Does any one have any idea on how to insure a K9?


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Veterans Security Services in Lakewood, Colorado uses K-9's. One of there ex-captains was a K-9  trainer, and a Lt used K-9's too. Not many left out there, LIABILITY killed the industry.

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The first hospital that I worked at (Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital) has two K9 units that are fully Police trained.  The Security K9 officers take their partners for training with the local PD once a week.  The University/Hospital that I'm trying to get on with right now also has security K9's that are police trained.


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spiunderground says ...



C.L.E.E.T. told me that if he's not to be used as a "narc" or "bomb" K9 then I don't have to certify him, but if he bites someone then it's on me. I'm looking into certifying him as Personal Protection and the laws for Oklahoma. I was surprised when C.L.E.E.T.  told me about the security side. Does any one have any idea on how to insure a K9?



Last time I checked on this in my state you would insure thru your home insurance company and it's attached to your home insurance.  Liability basically has killed most of the private programs that were once available a few years ago.  Basically if the dog bites you're on the hook for it. 

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If he does bark and hold, that means he bites as well. If not, what's the point of the b/h? Seems odd to me. It's like having a weapon but no ammunition.


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I have a 2 year old working malinois. He is certified to detect narcotics odors only. In addition, he has training in bark & hold. He was trained by a local trainer that is well known in Central Florida. Because security officers lack the ability to truly gather probable cause, or establish probable cause for LE (in FL), we use this dog as a tool at checkpoints. Not only as a deterrant, but also to gather intel about residents, guests and the vehicles.



Just curious - who certified your dog on narcotics?

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Critical Intervention Services (C.I.S.) The company I work for has a K-9 Unit. They're based out of Clearwater, Fl. 

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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

 I just watched Mall Cops on TLC.  They had two K9's and they are non LEO

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The stupid insurance industry is killing alot of stuff. Bad enough we're losing lots of jobs that are going overseas because companies can't afford to support the average American worker, but the added burden of the insurance industry screwing businesses over the way they do, maybe we should sic the dogs on the insurance industry. That's why the cost of medical care is so high--not only because of expensive new technology, but the scam of "medical malpractice" is enriching the insurance industry, and they've gotten good at convincing people that they need this insurance.


And any client who thinks they're saving money by not having K-9s and/or armed guards where they are clearly needed needs to learn what the phrase "You get what you pay for" drummed into their head. Because if you put a guard at a post without weapons and or a dog when warranted, and the guard gets killed or injured by a perp, the client should have to pay for putting them in a situation where they couldn't defend themselves.


Would I use a K-9? Maybe. I'm a cat person, but I was raised with dogs as well as cats and a few other critters. But because I'm renting a room in a house, and I have a cat I'm very close to. Plus I have a roommate who is also a cat owner; if anything happened to either or both of our cats from the K-9, both of us would be very upset, to put it mildly. Both my roomie and I have come from dysfunctional/abusive family backgrounds, and our cats are our families. Besides, our landlady and landlord don't allow dogs n the premises. So, I'd have to keep the dog in a kennel when off-duty.


Really, insurance companies are dictators, and they try to keep people from doing their jobs the way they need to be done. A liability company saying you can't have an attack dog while working at a dangerous post  because of the fear they could bite somebody is like saying a thirsty person can't drink water because of the fear they could choke on it. Stupid, really stupid.

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spiunderground says ...



C.L.E.E.T. told me that if he's not to be used as a "narc" or "bomb" K9 then I don't have to certify him, but if he bites someone then it's on me. I'm looking into certifying him as Personal Protection and the laws for Oklahoma. I was surprised when C.L.E.E.T.  told me about the security side. Does any one have any idea on how to insure a K9?



You'll have to shop around with various insurance companies...Most insurance companies will NOT insure you if you have a "restricted" breed of dog, ie. German Shepherds,  Dobermans, Rotties, Chows, etc. 


As far as personal protection, all dogs will instinctively protect their owners, it's built in.  If you're looking at additional training check into Schitzhund (not sure of spelling).  It's expensive but worth it if you want a loaded gun with 4 legs and a tail. That will make it more difficult to get insurance if trained that way.


I have had a purebred shepherd (show dog) and a hard time getting insurance.   


You do need to ask yourself if you want the responsibility and liability if your dog were to bite someone and do you want to put your dog in that position? 

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I would be happy if he could just snarl... His teeth are scary enough!


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I had a co-worker once, that thought he could do it, then he realised the $$$ aspect of training the dog and the legal side of having a K9 in security and realized a tape recorded cd of the dog barking worked just as well over the squad PA system....kinda funny..... anyways leave the K9 stuff to law enforcement and contracted law enforcement, your basic corn-on-the-cob private security company should not attempt to start a K9 program.......


 


PS-Some days it amazes me how much people what to be police officers while they are on duty as security officers. I just dont get it, you are paid to do a job as a Non-LEO so stop trying to make Non-LEO job similar to a LEO one.... there are reason why LEO's go through so much training..... 


 

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Rate This | Posted over 4 years ago

 

I would  LOVE the opertunity to have a K-9 partner on site. It would save a lot of problems in some situations.