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We have a small (5 officers) High Risk Entry Team in my department.  We have put in quite a bit of training, and even a few successful deployments.  We have used our Glocks as the only weapon so far.  We are now going to start using M4s, and a Remington 870.  And, we are going to start training for other scenarios, like active shooter. 


So far, when we have made entry, there has not been a set order for stacking.  But with the long guns available and more intense training, we are trying to figure out how to stack prior to entry.    I am hoping to get some ideas on what is best.  Right now, the idea is to put the shortest guy up front and the biggest last.  Also, first in would have the handgun, everyone else would have the M4. 


Any feedback would be appreciated!


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Whats up mike?


Out of curiosity, is your breacher your #1 man in the stack?


I think that if I had a 5 man element instead of a 4 man element, Id use the 5th man as the breacher while 4 in the stack go in before him....with the team leader either in the #3 or #4 position. Have personally never used someone in a particular position based on height or body size.  Have your written that as part of your TAC-SOP?


Also curious, did each mean purchase his own weapons and gear or did you get the senior officer in your agency to get the department to float the bill? Were you able to get any sort of DHS grants?

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The long guns were already here, just never issued. Thats one of the things we are trying to work out-- who carries what gun into the building?  Right now, first in has the handgun, second has M4, third has shotgun,  4 and 5 have M4s.


If we kick the door, breacher is #1.  If we use the ram, then the breacher is last in. 


As for a TAC-SOP, we are still working on it.  The powers that be feel the short guy (me) should be first in.  I think the idea is that the taller guys can shoot over the top of the shorter ones.  Or maybe they can just see better over the short people.  Not sure brass always equals brains.


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I agree with PSD. With only 5 your limited to certain things. For us a breacher (shot gun or ram) comes up from the rear. Why does that point or fisrt man only have Glock?


I think everyone should be using sometime of shoulder fire system. Not sure i would like someone taller than me shooting over me. How about you.  Team leader for us is 3rd in.

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I'm not sure why they want the first in to have only the handgun.  And, its a G23 at that.  My opinion is that all in have long guns, plus a sidearm in a dropleg holster.  And, hell no, I dont want anyone shooting over the top of me. 


 


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rangermike says ...



  And, hell no, I dont want anyone shooting over the top of me. 


Thats Funny LMAO.


Not trying to be dis respectful but whos in charg and kinda of experiance do they have?


 


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There is very little experience for all of us.  We have had some really good training, and a handfull of actual deployments  The Deputy Chief is supposed to be in charge, but we all have input. 


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Good topic...I would love to see more of this sort of tactical exchange of information between the highspeed LEOs on here.  I love dynamic entry, love the stack, love CQB, and overall special response.  It must be pretty exciting to build a response team from the ground up.....new SOPs, new weapons, new concepts tried and tested.  Im in warrants myself, and we frequently use the stack.  That would look stellar resume wise on your part.


Is the team voluntary?  If I were putting together an SRT from square one, I think I would try to get everyone through at least a basic SWAT course, preferably all through advanced SWAT as well.  Anymore than that, it would be a train the trainer with courses like  shotgun breaching, ballistic shield  (which would make sense for the first man in to be armed with a pistol if he was the shield man), advanced tactical pistol (including the center axis relock.)


Are you going to include a medic from the local FD? Dont forget to make use of local National Guard units and bases. Most combat arms units are well experienced between Afghanistan and Iraq, or both....and the Guard bases have small arms ranges, obstacle courses, combat lifesaver courses, and shoot houses.  Many of the police agencies in Texas do cross training with Guard units since its all state money.


Exciting stuff bro.  Keep us informed as to how it works out.  My department has both a mental warrants division (which I am in), a criminal warrants division, patrol divisions, K9 bomb detection unit, and a building security division that is responsible for all security of county property to include the many annexes and courthouses county wide.  One of my projects to complete in my down time while I am deployed is to write a TAC-SOP for proposed SRT that  we dont currently have but should.  Would love to exchange some ideas.

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How long have you guys been operational? and what kind of entry are you doing? Slow and Deliberate. Control, Dynamic? For us if your a shield man. that is your job. stand there and hold the shield.

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Id also look into ALERRT training for your ASI training.  ASI seems to be one of the major concerns regarding the focus of many police "responses" lately. 

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Specify ALERRT, I'm trying to build one from the ground up as well, been SRT before, never an administrator

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I would reconsider the 'shortest man in front' philosophy. The pointman needs to be highly skilled and have the ability to read the room immediately, recognize danger areas, cover threats/deep corners, etc...


I would stick the TL in the #3 slot. The breacher should not be a part of the stack initially, but fall in as the last man once entry has been made.


Long guns all the way around, with the exception of the pointman. He IS working a shield...right?

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My crew always had the TL in the #3 spot, of actual entry, 4th in the stack because the breacher was #3 in the actual line up, that way there was #1 and 2 bosted on both sides of the door (wherever possible) so that the moment the door was breached we had the crosssectioned view of the majority of the first room.  As for weapons, if your gonna go  with a shotgun put that up front with number one,  Maximum firepower at close range and certainly not one you wnat being utilized behind or over you....my position on my old entry team was number 1, (I also was the recon scout who diagramed the target location since I would be first in the stack and first to the door I wanted to go eyes on prior to actual service of the paper..and I typically carried a short shotgun for my primary.  Our breacher after ramming the door would step aside (after all both his hands are full at that moment) and then he would either perform rear guard at the door or move inside on a cover as needed basis

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i'd say good thing you're getting m4's. in my opinion, an m4 should always always ALWAYS b your point man (forward security) unless utilizing the shield. your breacher should be #4, and your TL should b #3....just my humble opinion


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hot damn i wish there was more of this on policelink!


Good topic guys...very good topic. 

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amooseisamongu says ...



Specify ALERRT, I'm trying to build one from the ground up as well, been SRT before, never an administrator



 


 


ALERRT = Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training   www.alerrt.com


FREE grant funded training... based in Tx though financing has been received from Feds to travel/train outside of Tx.


Contact Diana Hendricks @ 512.245.1744 to work on setting up a class.

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amooseisamongu says ...



Specify ALERRT, I'm trying to build one from the ground up as well, been SRT before, never an administrator



 


 


ALERRT = Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training   www.alerrt.com


FREE grant funded training... based in Tx though financing has been received from Feds to travel/train outside of Tx.


Contact Diana Hendricks @ 512.245.1744 to work on setting up a class.



I've been to their facility in San Marcos for OTT training in their shoot house...good stuff!

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PSD_Team_Leader says ...



hot damn i wish there was more of this on policelink!


Good topic guys...very good topic. 



yeah no doubt!  THIS is what its supposed to be all about.


 


our M.T.F. Entry Team is 1)  breach (Jimmy)  - which ends up being the 4th one in - GLOCK 22 usually - based on intell


                                             2) first one in (me) - and i carry my kel-tek sub 2000 - my weapon of choice


                                             3)  Jessie with the shotgun


                                             4)  team leader (Mike) with AR - 15


                                              after that it depends on the situation and what we believe who is inside or what is inside


                                            


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Im a believer in the ballistic shield as well, and yes i think that would be the main reason for the 1 man to be pistol armed...preferable in .45ACP.  As for the rest of the team, depending on the task at hand, all members should be armed with entry rifles..preferably of the AR variety and with nothing larger than .223Remington.  The only man I see who really NEEDS to be armed with a street howitzer would be the breacher...and yes, he should then become the rear security man as the team enters. 


Teams should train in and consider what works for them when clearing the fatal funnel....path of least resistance, button hook, strong wall technique....etc etc. Im a BIG believer in points of dominance and interlocking fields of fire.

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Good to see other tactical officers around.......nothing more I like then highspeed hard chargers who carry the badge

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On slow clear we would utilize a shield, on dynamic we typically would go without due to speed and lack of manuveurability in close quarters with it.

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This is all GREAT information, and has helped a great deal.  We have a shield, but won't use it much.  Most of the places we go into seem to be single wide mobile homes with piles of crap inside.  Too hard to move fast with a shield in those circumstances. 


We did finally get our M4s, and everyone will carry that into the building.  Our breacher will probably carry the M4 as well, at least until we get training on how to breach with the shotgun.  I like the idea of first in carrying one too.


I looked into the ALERRT training, but for some unknown reason the chief seems to be opposed to it.  Free training in a relevant topic?  Not sure what the resistance to it is.


I am both the best shot in the department, plus the shortest, so it looks like I will be first in.  Should be fun.


Thanks again for all the input!


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Hell breaching on a mobile home is often more problematic than a good solid structure because of the pliable nature of the materials used to make a mobile home....and your correct, typical shield unless its one of the mighty mite or something small like that is not going to work in a single wide mobile home

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It looks like we will be making an entry into a solid structure (duplex, not a single wide) tomorrow afternoon.  Hopefully we will be using some of the advice I got here....


 


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polziner12 says ...



Hell breaching on a mobile home is often more problematic than a good solid structure because of the pliable nature of the materials used to make a mobile home....and your correct, typical shield unless its one of the mighty mite or something small like that is not going to work in a single wide mobile home



Not to mention that the doors swing OUT, and most of the time there is a very narrow corridor of steps leading to the front door.

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Don't forget the shotgun. Especially if your going into mostly mobile homes.  Double 00 buck is much safe than the M-4, (depends on the rounds your using).   I worked Narcs for a few years and like most our team leader was third. Never used a shield much due to spead/stealth over slow search.  The best thing is live shoot training if possible for your team.  Good Luck. 

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Once again....make use of the Army and Marine posts that are near you...be they active component posts or Guard/Reserve posts.  Most of the big bases now have shoothouses and a variety of small arms ranges.

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So, we made an entry into a house today, and used a lot of the information from these posts as we set up.  It was very successful, and led to another search warrant for drugs.  Thanks a ton to all who replied!


 


 


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Good job bro.  What did your brass say about it

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Right on. Glad to hear that everyone was safe

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