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Black_rose_max50

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After going to the local recruter's station (again) and looking up some things on Boarder Patrol (again)..really dont know which one to get into! Would love to kick some terrorist *ss, but would also love to appese the flow of illegals into the United States. I know Boarder Patrol is getting alot of heat right now due to the illegal's sueing and crap, and Army is getting heat from all directions (in many ways)...dont really care about all that, mainly about which is more needed right now? Boarder Patrol, or Army EOD's? hummm...the many paths of life...

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As of now, Border Patrol all the way!

Fluffy_max50

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I definitely wouldn't even consider Border Patrol. If you want an example of people doing their jobs and being hung out to dry BP is your perfect example. So far as I know they have three of their agents sitting in prison right now because, as you said, some drug dealer sued them for shooting at him and actually won the case (in our own courts, how does that work!?!). I completely understand that as an officer sometimes the public loves you and many times they hate you. But how the BP agents are being treated is absolutely ridiculous: ask someone to do a job, tie their hands behind their backs, and then when they try to overcome those obstacles and still do their job they're punished...and sent to prison? No thanks....

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Yes thats true, but they are in short supply of applicants, the army is not.

Fluffy_max50

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They are in short supply for a reason: they don't take care of their own. Being in short supply of applicants does not mean that they're the preferred place to go. To be honest...I'd go just about anywhere besides BP. I'm not trying to offend any current BP agents: I think that the job is completely admirable and I more than support what they're trying to do in keeping our borders safe and keeping illegals out of our country. However, I would go to just about any other place possible for the sole reason that while they're out there busting butt trying to do their job they're also being penalized if they do their job. My recommendation: until they figure out what they're doing to their own people, go someplace else.

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With your college experience, I would research your States DOJ. It sounds like a good fit for you. If you're stuck on federal service, research other options in that system. If it is strictly Army or BP, I would start your career with the Border Patrol.

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You could not pay me enough to become a Border Patrol Agent. There is just no way. Like mentioned above, they leave their people out to dry for the very people that they are supposed to be kicking back out of this country. They have rediculous policies that even further jeopardise officer safetey. We have an officer on our department that left the border patrol. He told me that they are not even allowed to pursue people if they get outside of their perimeter. He told me that if he got in to a foot chase of an illegal, he could only stay close enough to observe them until someone with higher authority arrived.

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Absolutely mcheatherly! It's a joke. Why go work for a department like that? You might as well just check yourself into a prison if you actually want to perform any job duties that they're supposed to be performing. Once again, my beef isn't with the BP men and women; I completely respect them and admire them for what they're doing. But in my book their superiors need to get it in check and figure out what they're doing to their own people. Your best bet: get a job at McDonald's before you do BP...just not worth it.

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Living in a boarder state, I see what illegal immigration does...really passionate about that subject. Illegals have no right to be here...none at ALL! Frankly, Im getting to a point where I just dont care if I get 10 years in prision for doing my job....If I know my job is right, if I know at least 1 illegal immirgant is in prision/ out of America...than Damnit! i THINK ITS worth it!
The risk is there, but its a risk Im willing to take.

Fluffy_max50

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Peanutbutter, I too live in a border state...Southern California, only about three hours North of the border of TJ. I see full well what illegal immigration does: the effects that it has on the healthcare system, on jobs, etc. But do you know any of the statistics of people who're crossing the border compared to people who're being stopped/sent back? Hundreds crossing the border daily, with maybe a few hundred being sent back per month. Not a very good ratio. Reason for that: BP agents can't do their jobs because their hands are tied up in the beaucratic tape that their bosses have put up everywhere. If you're really passionate about it, or really looking into it as a career option, really do some deep investigating into the subject. There's a guy who has a talk show on TV, Glenn Beck (I believe it's on CNN every night), and he talks A TON about the border issues. Yes it is an issue...and yes I see the effects that illegal immigration causes first hand...however, for me, it's not worth it to put my butt on the line for a job that is designed to have failure as the outcome.

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Did you look at the Coast Gaurd? Im starting there and then heading to Law Enforcement Flying. In the Gulf of Mexico you could catch drug runners. Have you looked in to the U.S. Customs Service? Once more catching drug runners and dealers! But if you are looking into Army or BP I'd say Army (be any MP and you will get some good Law Enfrocemnt training). Just once more, BP has there hands tied around there backs! The only way tou would ever get me to go to Border Patrol is you would have to get me into a Helicopter division and fast. Why dont you become a Police officer in a border city like El Paso? That way you can put away illegals without getting ten years for it. Sounds good to me.

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Peanutbutter: I read the story DeputyAdam is referring to and so should you. I'll paste it below my response. When i read it I couldn't belive my eyes. our own government buttering up an illegal alien witness to testify against a U.S. Border Patrol Agent by paying him travel expenses, fees, giving him a driver's license and social security card!! Well, read it for yourself:

Border Patrol agent vindicated
Reinstated 6 years after felony conviction similar to Ramos, Compean

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Posted: June 19, 2007
1:15 p.m. Eastern

© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Six years after his felony conviction for striking an illegal alien who resisted arrest, Border Patrol Agent David Sipe has been vindicated by an administrative law ruling, reports WND columnist Jerome Corsi, who notes similarities to the current cases of the "Texas 3."

Sipe was convicted in 2001 of criminal felony charges for striking illegal alien coyote Jose Guevara on the back of his head.

Anna Love, an administrative judge with the Dallas Region of the Merit Systems Protection Board, ordered Sipe reinstated June 13 to his former Border Patrol position, with full back-salary to April 21, 2001, the date the Border Patrol removed him and suspended his pay.

The "Texas 3" are Ignacio Ramos, Jose Compean and Gil Hernandez. Ramos and Compean are in federal prison serving 11- and 12-year sentences for their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila-Aldrete, as he fled back to Mexico after driving across the border with 742 pounds of marijuana in February 2005. U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton gave the smuggler immunity to serve as the government's star witness and testify against the border agents. While under immunity, the smuggler was caught in another drug delivery, but the judge sealed that information from the jury. Hernandez was convicted of violating the civil rights of two illegal aliens injured from shell fragments that struck them as the officer shot at the tires of a van in which they escaped from a routine traffic stop. The van driver had tried to run over Hernandez.

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Jack Lamar Wolfe, Sipe's attorney in McAllen, Texas, told Corsi in a telephone interview Sipe finally has received justice.

"Too bad it took seven years," Wolfe said. "The government destroyed Sipe's family and ruined his career. All Sipe ever wanted to be was a Border Patrol agent."

To win acquittal, Sipe spent his entire life savings and went bankrupt. His wife divorced him, and he has been forced to move in with Wolfe.

Corsi says Sipe's case demonstrates the extent to which the Department of Justice will go to protect and reward a criminal illegal alien whose testimony is necessary to prosecute a Border Patrol agent.

At his new trial, Wolfe was allowed to tell the jury the criminal background of the witness and introduce a co-worker's testimony favorable to Sipe.

Wolfe also was allowed at the retrial to present evidence about the benefits and reimbursements the prosecutors had extended to Guevara and the other illegal alien witnesses who gave testimony at Sipe's first trial.

In Sipe's case, the government made a "sweetheart" deal with Guevara, giving him travel expenses, witness fees, free telephone use and a border crossing permit. Guevara also received a Social Security card and a driver's license, all in return for his testimony against Sipe.

"The federal prosecutors in the Sipe case refused to prosecute Guevara when he was apprehended a second time, caught for transporting illegal aliens by automobile," Wolfe told WND, just as Department of Homeland Security and Drug Enforcement Agency investigative reports suggest prosecutors failed to prosecute a second offense by Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, the drug smuggler shot at by Ramos and Compean.

In Sipe's case, Wolfe maintained that government prosecutors lied about evidence and withheld important documents from the defense. WND has reported that Mary Stillinger, defense counsel for Ramos, never saw a Feb. 15, 2005, DHS investigative report which identified there were seven other Border Patrol agents plus two supervisors on the scene of the Ramos and Compean incident.

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Granted they gave him his job back and backpay BUT they ruined his life and money won't buy that back. If it were me in that situation and they wanted to offer my job back after being completely humiliated, destroyed and distrusted I think there might have been some pretty colorful words flying around.

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For cop work, I'd go USBP. The army is just way too tied up in the mideast and we are continuously lowering our standards. You can now have 2 felonies on your record and be able to join the army!! I can't wait to get out. Even the new MPs coming out of basic are s!@tbags today.I'd go BP if I were you bud!

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Being a former BP agent and still working with a lot of these guys everyday and being married to an agent I would definitely have to say that BP has it's problems. But I don't know of any agency, including my own, that doesn't. I've spent the last 7 years on the border and I know more former Agents now then I know current, the attrition rate is one of the highest in the nation. A lot of people use the BP has a foot in the door to the federal system and after 2 years of service jump ship to other fed agencies. If you stick it out a few years you can make 80+ a year but besides a few good cities like Tucson on the Southwest border you might get stuck in some shithole like I did. The main thing to know is that the Border Patrol is all about location, if you get a good station it can be a great job but if you get a bad one you probably won't last long if you're not from that area.

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In defense of the BP, your going to quickly find that they are admired and respected HIGHLY by other FED/LEO types. They get some of the most highly sought after training and schools imaginable. While I don't recommend this job or more importantly the job of a BP Agent lightly, it is an organization that is headed in the right direction compared to others who also guard your borders.

When I get people walking up to me to ask what it is like in the BP, (dunno why they can't see I wear blue and they wear green, but oh well) I tell them it is a hard job that requires a lot of sacrafice. For some it is the physical nature that I immediately inform them of. The academy is hard, and so is the environment your going to work in...period. Even officers with whom I work with in CBP want to go BP, but don't because they don't have the heart to move, exercise, or learn Spanish. Some pretty important things if you want to work for the Border Patrol.

I have hurt some peoples feelings with my responses , because the BP isn't looking or hoping for you to pick it, but rather can you meet its standards. People who have been geographically located outside the southern border sometimes cannot merge or it takes awhile to do into the Hispanic culture. I give myself as a prime example.

You will see countless laws broken everyday and won't be allowed to interfere. I recall as a new Inspector having a 12 year old boy driving in from Mexico with his siblings ranging from 9 to 6 yoa. I about lost it, but was forced by my superiors to let them enter. I was told that I coudln't enforce state laws, and that "they'll probably be alright" since the free school was just around the corner.

FWS2500 put it best, location location location!

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Another option you might consider is with ICE, or Immigration & Customs Enforcement. They pick up where the BP leaves off, meaning beyond the border areas. The stings and group-arrests, deportations, etc that you hear about in the cities and areas away from the border are done by the ICE working in close conjunction with local PDs and other agencies. The move to the job isn't as strenuous as, say, moving to the middle of Sunbaked Hell, NM or wherever (I say that with no animosity - I used to live there). And for those who get sick of fighting the neverending battle to stem the tide of illegal aliens into the country, there's an opportunity to move laterally into a US Customs position and spend your days looking at packages & fruits ~ including those on two legs...
It's not as widely known as the Border Patrol, but it is Federal service, under the umbrella of the Dept. of Homeland Security, and will keep you busy fighting against the invasion of America.
I can give you a name & ph# of an ICE recruiter if you'd like.

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I read a lot of these posts and it does seem that the BP does have their own share of problems. All of this talk about leaving their employees out to dry in the BP is the same case on the latter side of what you are looking for.

I also have friends who are in federal lockdown because of doing their job properly in the Army. After Abu-Graib (Spelling), our fearless leaders have made it a high priority prosecute our soldiers. Granted, some of them have done terrible things that need to be punished, but others have not. Just because they didn't follow the proper ROE and wait for approval to shoot back when fired upon. That whole mess just pisses me off to no end.

In the BP, you may get stuck in a shitty duty station on the border, but at least you are stateside. If you plan to go EOD in the Army, then I hope for your sake you don't have a family. The amount of stress on deployments is tearing families apart left and right. You are entering a wartime military and it is hard. On you and your family. You will be gone more than you are home while serving your contract to Uncle Sam.

I am testing for the BP next month and spent most of last night studying for the test. I, like said above, plan on using it as a stepping stone to get to other federal jobs. I plan to finish up my degree for criminal justice while serving BP and then moving on to bigger and better things.

I am not in the BP so I have no guidance for you. I am myself, looking at it from a future career standpoint. All I can tell you, is that I am a veteran of the Army and if I was to do it again, I would check out other agencies before signing up for the Army. Although, the military was a great stepping into life by providing money for school and giving veteran preference points to those who served.

I am about to start a new post asking for advice on the BP. If anyone has advice for insight for me, please find my post and pass it on.