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Posted over 5 years ago

 

Does anyone know anything about the Army federal security guard's? Do they have apprehension power? Do they patrol and write tickets?Thanks

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Are you talking about the DoD Police who have replaced MPs on federal installations?

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I was refering to the DOD Guard employed by the Army as Federal Security Guards. Do they have apprehension power? Do they patrol and write tickets? ect...

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I was refering to the DOD Guard employed by the Army as Federal Security Guards. Do they have apprehension power? Do they patrol and write tickets? ect...



Never heard of them. Ive spent a good part of the last decaded doing Army service and the only thing I have seen like that so far is Department of the Army Police, who are DoD police but for the Army. Powers of apprehension (such as MPs have) would in my mind mean they have police powers, far beyond what a security guard does.

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PSDTeamLeader I think he is talking about the civilian gate guards the Army, Navy, and Air Force are employing now.  If the Army runs their program the same way the Navy does it works like this:


On my base we have three, yes three, entities for our protection.  First are the civilian security guards.  They stand watch at the gate and control who comes and goes from the base.  They are civilian armed security guards who have no Police powers, other than holding a troublemaker at the gate until the Police arrive.


Patrolling the base are civilian Police Officers.  These Officers are fully certified and have Police power.  They do traffic enforcment and respond to calls in housing.


Then we have the Military Police.  I think I have seen them do a stop or two and they sometimes work the gates along with the Security Guards, don't see a lot of them though.  As far as I know all three entities are under the control of a civilian "Public Safety Director."  I am pretty sure he reports to the commander of the base.  It's all very confusing, we should just recruit more Military Police and let them do their job.  I know it would require congress letting us increase our authorized troop end strength; but who cares?


Even with all of these personnel the local Cops still respond to incidents on the base from time to time.


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I agree with Twidget!! Just recruit more Military Police to do their intended job and maybe augment them with temporary positions for DoD security and police on the civilian side till you have adequate troop levels for miminal staffing.  Too easy, Hooah!


 


 


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I can give you an example of this.  Rickenbacker Air Force Base is an active air base.  Since it is ran by the State of Ohio, they have "civilian" guards as well as military "MP's".  Both the civilian and the military personnel are called "Security Police".  Both have jurisdiction of the base.  The civilians are normally OPOTA trained, the military are not.  They wear the same uniform and have the same authority.  The only additional condition for employment for the civilian guard is that they must be members of the Ohio Militia (National guard, Ohio Military Reserve or Ohio Naval Militia).  As state employees they receive their paycheck from the state not the Fed.  The airmen are Fed employee who get their check from DC.


I guess it really depends upon the circumstances at the particular base in question.  At Camp Perry (An active Army National Guard Base) near Toledo, you will see civilian contractors and MP's at the gate (or at least they were there until just recently).  The civilians wore "security" type uniforms and the MP's were in BDU's.  The MP's had powers of arrest, the security guards did not.  One thing that was curious though, the security guards were armed and the MP's were not.  At least not openly carrying.


The best rule is that if the man with the badge talks....you should listen.  Doesn't matter if it's a Barney or a Gomer, they still have a job to do.

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The best rule is that if the man with the badge talks....you should listen.  Doesn't matter if it's a Barney or a Gomer, they still have a job to do.


Amen brother.


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The Guards at the gates here at Offutt and at Hill AFB in Utah are contracted security. Not sure what their powers are, but I have only seen them on the gates controlling entry. Here at Offutt and at Hill, the SF's still guard the flightline, aircraft and patrol.


The purpose is for the SF's to have the availability to deploy overseas. I agree, just recruit more MP's, SF's and MA's. I do now that the 40,000 person cut the AF was almost half way thru got nixed by Sec. Gates. We're not increasing, but we are holding steady.


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They are trying to recruit more MPs, that is a "critical" mos with the Army right now.


But personally, I think they should recruit more infantry....those are the true front line warfighters. More infantry, the less everyone else has to cover down on the infantry.

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The bases that need more security and/or MP's that dont have enough active duty MP's/SP's(SF) could also be augmented by Army/Air Guard and reserve members on at least temporary orders ADSW/ADOS. Until enough are recruited.


 


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The bases that need more security and/or MP's that dont have enough active duty MP's/SP's(SF) could also be augmented by Army/Air Guard and reserve members on at least temporary orders ADSW/ADOS. Until enough are recruited.


 


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No dice...Im in a Guard MP unit, we are deployed and doing the same jobs as active duty MP and combat arms units. MPs are simply a utility support corps than can be used to do a variety of jobs currently needed on the battlefield


convoy security, protective services details, mounted combat patrols, raids, force protection, detainee operations...etc etc.


40% of the forces in Iraq and Afghansitan are Guard and Reserve

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PSD- at Redstone in Texas in there is open spot for MP for Guard/reserve through the Partnership for Fiscal Intergrity program ran by DoD for at least temporary long term orders. I'd apply but I am not even a MP yet or E4.  The announcement  says they are looking for E4 or E5, not sure how many they want. Sounds like a garrsion mission from what I read. They consider civilian experience as well in evaluating you for a position. I the link for it doesn't always work but you can try it on www.virtualarmory.com for guard soliders. Laters


 


 


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DASG, Department of the Army Security Guard, is a position authorized by regulation. This is a lower grade position for the DACP, DA civilian police. These positions are not new, there have been DOD civilian police and security guards working for years at various sites around the world. The main focus of these positions was to fill a need to security military installations and facilities after 9/11. Before you recommend that MPs conduct this mission you would need to understand the scope of it. Every installation and seperate facility occupied by DOD would require a MP presence, to meet even half of it would require every MP across the services to focus only on garrison positions both conus and oconus. Recommend leaving the warfighters to a better cause and mission. More info on those positions can be found in Regulatory guidance - check USAMPS website or AKO.

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Hello all- I actually applied for the position of Dept. of Army Security Guard for a Army chemical depot here in Oregon for a civilian job outside of the Army Guard. I just got a call today for possible interview with them. The brochure I have for them that I got at a job fair for Guard/reserve and vets says you get sent to a 6 week security/law enforcement  training academy. I am excited if I get the opportunity to do the job. I am just confused what authority they may have on the post, as they show pictures of the security armed with handguns, M-16/AR-15, and have suv with red/blue light bars.

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Hello all- Had phone interview for Dept of Army Security Guard and now waiting for the rest of the hiring process. My only dilema is the moving expenses if hired since the position is like 3 hours north of me.

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With the exception of the DASG's being a "lower grade" position. dmanz is correct. The GS (or NSPS) grade is determined locally. The grade differs from installation to installation based upon the mission. I know of sites where DASG's are GS-07, while DACP's at other sites are GS-05.  The REAL problem lies with the training. According to the AR 190-56 (the Dept. of the Army's regulation for DACP/DASG), DACP's may attend a civilian police school at  Ft. Leonard Wood, while DASG's have no schooling available. Only VERY general written/ppt guidance is available on basic handcuffing, constitutional law, M-9 qualification, etc. is availalbe for DASG's. This DASG "training" is also 100% left to the local installation. Compounding this problem is the fact that the latest version of the AR 190-56 was rushed out (as a result of 9/11) and is STILL "on-hold" while the union battles it out legally with the Department of the Army. To answer an eariler question, DASG's do have (very limited) powers of apprehension on their assigned post. You do wear a navy uniform, wear a badge and carry a gun (but can't have a round in the chamber). So you look like a cop, but if you want to BE a cop, DON'T apply to a DASG job, you'll be very disappointed with the restrictions placed upon you and the limited growth and training opportunities. There are usually NO relocation allowances (check the job posting). It is shift work and when you are hired, you have no shift choice, you go where you are needed and you are assigned your days off (usually the middle of the week to start). You are also held to the same annual physical testing standard that DACP's are, but without the law-enforcement differental pay.  However, if you do apply (and are accepted), your only advantage is that you are a federal employee. So after your one-year probation, you can apply to other federal jobs as an "internal". HOWEVER, that too has a catch. If you have little or no veteran status, you will be looked over time and time again. In the federal system, veterans have the edge (even if you are better qualified). Federal health and retirement benefits are average at best (dental sucks). Basically, it's only a "foot in the door" opportunity. If you are retired military, looking for an easy, mundane second career paycheck with little responsibility. This is the job for you!


How do I know? I've supervised a shift of DASG's for 3 years. I'm not bitter, just sharing reality.

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The Department of the Army Civilian Police and Security Guard Program is what the Army Federal Security Guards fall under AR 190-5. At our particular location DASG has the authority to apprehend, issue 1408's and all other citations. A special leter of authority has been signed giving us police powers for this installation. Eventually as this installation grows DACP will assume police powers and DASG will take its rightful place as gate guards. Current pay grades are OFFICER- GS-6 SGT- GS-7 LIEUTENANT YN-1 Officers and Sgts soon to become IA - 06 and IA - 07 respectively.

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i know this topic is generally old, but i just found this site. also, i just became a contracted security officer for the army in hawaii. well wut i know is that the army will be terminating its contract with civilian contracted security and transition to federal security officers under the department of the army force. i know this becuz i just graduated from our security academy in september and the head man himself told us this a week before graduation. as of right now, im highly considering crossing over to DA police.

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I was A DASG At Fort Polk Louisiana for two years and an MP for six years. as  security guard i had the right to deny access to the post and (key Word) "Obtain" personel trying to enter the post till the mp's or DA police came to the gate. AS a MP the first thing i was tought was how to word things correctly. So for the old question to which I am answering DA Gate Guards don't have the right , on fort polk, to arrest people , as of 2012 they have the right to Obtain. As with Millitary police officers, DA police, and DA securtiy guards their power is given by the Post Comander who can add to and take away their powers on post as he/she see fit. On Fort Polk being a DA Security guard was a nightmare. thats why i changed my civilian employment and also changed my MOS to 12Y Geospactial Engineer. I will always treasure my time as a MP, and drink to forget my time as a DA Security Guard at Fort Puke!

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 Currently serving as a DASG within the Va and DC area find the job as a rewarding opportunity to move beyond within the federal system. However, i believe congress had good intentions when approving the change from contractor guards but, the current system need to to be reviewed why, because many installations is hiring veterans and bringing over contractor guards (A problem within itself). First, non-veterans (some contractor guard) have no respect for the mission; second, a contract supervisor have the sliced ideal on how to supervisor former senior noncommissioned officer in the grade of E-7 and above whom taking on the job. Upon taking the job i expected to see structure, standard operating procedures and a firm change of command. Wow! What did i get, (a rude awaken). As a former senior noncommissioned officer (E-7); platoon sergeant during a wartime conflict, drill sergeant, operation sergeant,and section sergeant the DASG program need to be looked at again and monitored by senior security professionals outside the agency of employment. Noted  a few things:


Most of the customers we serve are good people ( However good customers comes with not so good customers).


Expense budget for DSAGs/DACPs should be reviewed to ensure monies is equally shared between the two when the budget included both.


Many installations across the country have or will be getting DASGs/DACPs remember who Congress recommended for hiring (VETERANS) if a veteran is hired, remember military veterans come from many backgrounds with skills that mostly likely enhance the program as long as fair treatment is giving across the board.


Last, remember a military secuity guard deals with customers. all sorts of weather conditions, and danger. WE ARE THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE FOR A MILITARY INSTALLATION; as a hired veteran with experience i only ask that someone above the installation review the treatment of DASGs. A veteran can accept firmness, fairness, and consistent but disrespect all all!

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The Department of the Army Civilian Police and Security Guard Program is what the Army Federal Security Guards fall under AR 190-5. At our particular location DASG has the authority to apprehend, issue 1408's and all other citations. A special leter of authority has been signed giving us police powers for this installation. Eventually as this installation grows DACP will assume police powers and DASG will take its rightful place as gate guards.

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The United States Army did away with all the private contractor guards around the world after 911. The Army hired all new guards and these officers are federal employees paid by the United States government. Yes they have arresting powers and can apprehend anyone on government property. Army guards are federal GS- 6 employees that go through the same training as the Army Civilian police.  Army guards have full authority to use deadly force, arrest or apprehend any terrorist or criminal.


Note: The change over from private security guards to the new federal security guards took years and ended in 2011

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The United States Army did away with all the private contractor guards around the world after 911. The Army hired all new guards and these officers are federal employees paid by the United States government. Yes they have arresting powers and can apprehend any one on government property. Army guards are federal GS- 6 employees that go through the same training as the Army Civilian police.  Army guards have full authority to use deadly force, arrest or apprehend any terrorist or criminal.



Au Contraire; Ft Benning, GA - 2008. When I was there the Security Force at the gates were civilian contractors.


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