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When should a citizen step in and help?
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Posted almost 6 years ago I have seen shows when citizens have stepped in and helped an officer in need and the officers are very thankful. I have seen times when an officer is in need of help and he is on his own. Is it ok for us to step in and help an officer? How would you like us citizens to handle this? I know it is dangerous but I dont think I could live with the guilt if an officer is hurt and there was something I could have done. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago Approach from the front with palms open and forward. Ask if he or she needs assistance. There is no one good answer. If he or she tells you to return to your vehicle, do so and notify 911 that assistance maybe needed. Remain on the line and give updates. Never get out with a weapon in hand. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago The best policy is to stay out a situation if possible. Responding back up officers are not going to know what part you are playing in the scenario and you do not want to be caught in the crossfire. However, if it is obvious that the officer is in serious trouble during an altercation, I would not hesitate to jump in and do what had to be done to save their bacon. Just make sure that you verbalize with the officer to let him know that you are there to help. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago I personally agree with GB2950. Approach with caution. The officer is going to probably be having a huge adrenaline dump and is gonna be all amped up. He/She won't know if you are there to help the bad guy or them. Verbalize your intentions and ASK if the officer wants help. Remember, the officer may know back up is around the corner and doesn't want you to get hurt when it is not needed. Also, if you do help, make sure you back off when other officers arrive. They might not be able to tell that you are helping the officer. Don't be surprised if you end up cuffed for a few minutes till they figure out you are a good guy. I had someone help me in a fight once and it was greatly appreciated. The guy that helped me almost ended up cuffed, becuase the backup thought he was another bad guy until I told the backup he was helping me and to cuff the other guy. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago You hit the nail on the head...nothing for me to add. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago Well thank God some citizens do that because my dad would not be here today had a good Citizen not stepped in... |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago Isn't their some law(obviously not used but still there) where a cop can MAKE you help him in a situation that he needs help. I'm not sure on this one, I read it in a book a long time ago and I wish I had written it down. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago If I order a citizen to assist me and he/she does not, they have committed a crime. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago Yea that's what I thought, thanks for clearing that up. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago Refusing to assist a Law Enforcement Officer when he is endeavouring to maintain the peace in the execution of his duty is a little used offence at common law. At one time all residents of the United States were responsible for upholding the law but, with the passing of time, this obligation has been eroded and is now treated as merely a moral or civic obligation, as was reflected until recently in the PACE Code of Practice for the Detention, Treatment and Questioning of Persons by the Police ("Detention Code") para. 1B. (Click here to view the current position) The offence is: Refusing to aid or assist a constable in the execution of his duty of maintaining or restoring the Peace when called upon to do so, if that person is physically capable of rendering such help and has no lawful excuse for so refusing. This would appear to be the only definition of the offence and is a result of the case of R v Brown (1841). It was held in that case that, when the defendant was requested to assist an officer to quell a riot it was necessary to prove that the constable had witnessed a breach of the peace being committed, that it was reasonably necessary for the officer to call on the defendant for his assistance and that the defendant had no physical reason or lawful excuse for his refusal. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago If you see me getting my ass beat feel free to jump in and help. I'll even type for you get a citizenz award. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago Here's the statute from the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure (Chapter 8): Art. 8.01. [95] [139] [129] OFFICER MAY REQUIRE AID. When
Acts 1965, 59th Leg., vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722, eff. Jan. 1, 1966. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago This actually happened to me about 8yrs ago. I was out at bar on a Friday night, when a fight started outside. The first officer on the scene could not take control of this one individual. I asked the officer if he needed help. He did not hesitate to say YES. Well, when the cavalry came, guess what? I got thrown to the ground and cuffed. After everything settled, the officer that I was helping had me un-cuffed. He shook my hand and thanked me for my help. Even though I was a bit roughed up, I was not upset. You have to expect that the officers arriving on the scene are going to cuff you. I would do it again in a heart beat! Another incident that happened to me..... I was working on my truck one day when I heard key's jingling behind me. I turned and here was an officer chasing an individual. The officer was almost burned out. I took off after the individual and caught him about 100 yards from where I started to chase him. I was again thanked by the officer and officers that arrived after the incident. Come to find out, the kid robbed an elderly lady about 2 blocks away. After the incident I thought about what I had just done. I then realized that it was dangerous what I did. The suspect could have stabbed me or even shot me if he had a gun. None the less I'm glad I did it and would most likely do it again if I needed. I love helping people. This is one reason why I'm trying to become a police officer. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago I have intervened a couple of times when a member of the public was being mugged or pushed around, and there were no law enforcement officers present. I would do the same for an officer. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago Thank you! |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago I dunno, I've been doing the sample tests on TCLEOSE & on this question...
If a peace officer summons a person to aid him, and that person refuses, the person is guilty of:
The answer was C. No offense Has this changed ? |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago Nope, but I would be concerned over the accuracy of the practice test. Here's some more from Chapter 2 of the CCP: Art. 2.14. [38] [45] [46] MAY SUMMON AID. Whenever a peace
Acts 1965, 59th Leg., vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722, eff. Jan. 1, 1966. Art. 2.15. [39] [46] [47] PERSON REFUSING TO AID. The peace
Acts 1965, 59th Leg., vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722, eff. Jan. 1, 1966. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago OK, so are the TCLEOSE sample tests I've been taking a waste of time? This is the website that a friend of mine who's an Austin, Tx LEO gave me as a study guide , I think it is very good & have learned a ton from. http://www.victoriacollege.edu/policeacademy/test.html |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago I wouldn't consider the practice test a waste of time, but I really don't know what to tell you about this. It's pretty clear in Art. 2.15 of the CCP, that refusing to aid an officer is in fact a criminal offense. Where can I find that question on the practice test? I'd like to look at it. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago on the home page,where it says "practice tests", right hand side, under "Code of criminal procedure" question #5. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago I don't know, Thanos. All I can think of is if you read the statute, it does not specifically name an actual offense (even though it is one). It just says report the person to the proper district or county attorney for prosecution. I would hate to think that they are saying "no offense" because there is no statute for this in the Penal Code. I think a more appropriate answer would be C) None of the above. The second choice is "Resisting a lawful order" and the CCP statute has it titled "Person refusing to aid", so you could argue that the second choice is not correct, based on the wording of the statute. I think it's splitting hairs at this point, however. |
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| Posted almost 6 years ago Hey, I'm with ya on this, I thought for sure it was either B: Resisting a lawful order or D: a Class C misdemeanor, but when I finished answering all the questions in the test & reviewed my answers, it said I was wrong & that it was C: No offense. Go figure. |
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| Posted 10 months ago Anonymous says ... If I order a citizen to assist me and he/she does not, they have committed a crime. Really, In what state , county and city do you live in? This would involve a posse comitatus act where by you can attempt to deprive someone of their property, or restrict their freedom of movement in order to gain some assistance. State and city officers have continually asserted that they have no duty to protect and citizens have equally applied that constraint and belief in the reverse. Steve Branch SJD. |
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| Posted 10 months ago Anonymous says ... Nope, but I would be concerned over the accuracy of the practice test. Here's some more from Chapter 2 of the CCP: Art. 2.14. [38] [45] [46] MAY SUMMON AID. Whenever a peace officer meets with resistance in discharging any duty imposed upon him by law, he shall summon a sufficient number of citizens of his county to overcome the resistance; and all persons summoned are bound to obey. Acts 1965, 59th Leg., vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722, eff. Jan. 1, 1966. Art. 2.15. [39] [46] [47] PERSON REFUSING TO AID. The peace officer who has summoned any person to assist him in performing any duty shall report such person, if he refuse to obey, to the proper district or county attorney, in order that he may be prosecuted for the offense. Acts 1965, 59th Leg., vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722, eff. Jan. 1, 1966. I have been employed as a special magistrate and I have never in all the time I have worked for attorneys and courts federal and state, seen anyone prosecuted for this act. Regardless of my professional affiliations, I am reired now, I can asure you that no one can assert a claim to have power over me that I do not grant , either personally, or through my voting habits. |
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| Posted 10 months ago strange1, when you see the username 'Anonymous' it means the user deleted his account and is no longer on PL. All users who do this get the same Anonymous designation. There are posts by dozens different of former members that are listed as Anonymous now. |
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