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Posted over 7 years ago

 

how do you know if someone is going to pull a gun? like if they are reaching in to there shirt. has that happened to you and they acctucly pulled out a gun and atarsted shooting. what did you do?


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Well one thing is to pay attention, and keep a CLOSE watch on the suspect's hands. Always tell them to keep their hands where you can see them. If they make a threatening move, you just have to be ready to pull the trigger if necessary. But you adrenaline runs like hell during that and, according to my dad, it helps.... fear is always a factor; if you have fear, you will stay alive; it keeps you on your feet. When you and I get to the academy, we will have so much training in this area..

Watch COPS, and watch when they have their guns drawn.

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huh i thought fear was bad to me it's keep calm at all times so you won't have that extra fear of might happen to you.


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Fear is bad, but it also keeps you alert. If you are too calm is that situtation, you might pay with your life. Many officers I know have told me this.. you need to be calm if you have someone at gunpoint, but you need to have fear, so you stay more alert. I know it can sound confusing, but other officers will put in their 2 cents.

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good fear right not the bad fear that makes you scared of things.


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Correct kelseyjoe, you can look at it that way.

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I would highly recommend that you both read "On Combat" by Lt Col. David Grossman. It is the definitive work on the psychology and physiology of deadly conflict. It will explain what your body will do automatically in times of hightened stress and fear. Remember that knowing is half the battle.

In regards to Kelsey's original question, there are three things to remember: Officer safety, a threat of force is not a use of force, and action will always beat reaction. With those three things in mind, do you think it would be appropriate to draw your weapon on a suspect reaching into his shirt? You betcha'! Shooting him for this is another matter.

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How do you know? Most of the time you want know. I've seen some turn, look me in the eyes and slowly start looking down. (They are indexing their weapon). We should have our weapon indexed though firearms training. (snapped in our duty holster during firearems drill). Like SuperTrooper said, "Watch the Hands!" Are the palms visable, are they moving and is one moving in an opposite direction of the other. Example; drive-by shooting. I pull up on the suspect. He exits his truck and raises his hands. (palms forward). I take a step, he "looks down" to the left. His left hand turns, lowers and is going toward his back. I lean forward with a long rifle and he is taken into custody without being placed in a bag. He did not have the gun with him. He had just dropped it off at another location. He was alcohol and drug impaired. Forgot he had left it. But, looked down to index. Had it been there, had I not watched his hands, movements and not been prepared.... You never know. Never assume. Prepare as if they do.

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Good input, guys. Watch the hands: They generally are the only things that can kill you. That's why we handcuff people. You might get kicked by some knucklehead but the hands can kill you. Control the hands. I once heard a very insightful comment from an instructor regarding car stops: "You can be as nice as you want. Just have a plan to kill everyone in the car." Something to think about.....


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so just don't let the hands out of sight right sarge.


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what if they have someone with you that distracts you so when that happens they main suspect can pull out a wepaon if they have one on them?


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We can "what if" this all day. Bottom line is this CONTROL THE SITUATION. Multiple subjects? Feel free to have the others stand/sit somewhere else until you are ready to speak with them. If they won't and advance towards you, you have lost control and need to regain it.

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GTS is right, control the situation. If you have multiple suspects, the best scenario is to have multiple officers. I know that in smaller departments that is not always an option but you cannot be affraid to ask for some assistance if you need it. You will know something is up just by the way the suspect is acting and reacting. If you feel like something is about to turn sideway, you had better do something about it. I work for a very large agency and have the luxury of calling in the cavalry very fast. Sometimes a show of force is all you need to regain the control that it looks like you are starting to lose. One last note, I know that some may disagree with this but here it goes. We are not in a race in this job. We have all the time in the world to do things right and do them safely. if you think a suspect is armed, there is nothing wrong with drawing down, going for cover and waiting for back up. I once waited around 12 minutes with two suspects proned out in the street for my back up to arrive. That is along time for someplace like I work. I would have waited an hour if that is what it took. I knew the suspects were armed and that I could not adaquately control them both without additional officers there. Don't be a hero, heros have a tendency to get themselves killed.

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Rate This | Posted over 7 years ago

 

right bcps everyone can try to be a hero but it's the people who get the job done are the ones who are the true heros. because if everyone tryied to be a hero there would a lot of dead people. it's always the people who arn't trying to a hero that become a hero.


The only way fo evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.