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Jesse_max50

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Posted about 7 years ago

 

I work security at an apartment complex and yesterday I recieved a call about a teen with a gun breaking ito an apartment. As I was headed to the call I seen a person matching the description that the caller gave standing in our park that was full of kids. As i pulled up I seen the kid who was about 15 years old hand a gun to another teen in the park that looked to be about the same age. I drew my weapon and ordered the kid to drop the gun. He just looked at me like I was crazy and just stood there. I ordered him again to drop the gun and he said why. I moved into a position to where my weapon was not pointed at the kids i n the park. I guess when i did that it made him think for a second and he dropped the gun. as soon as he dropped the gun, he started walking towards me asking me what my problem was. Not knowing if he had another weapon i kept my gun pointed at him and told him to get on the ground. He ignored me and kept walking towards me waving his hands in the air and cussing me. I decided that since he had nothing in his hands and that he was not making an attempt to reach into his pockets I let him get a little closer, then I holstered my weapon and detained him. I then secured the other gun which turned out to be an airsoft gun. I was wondering if anyone else had been involved in a situation with some one that young, who acted like it was all a game and that nothing could happen to him. It was pretty scary when he just kept on coming at me with my gun pointed at him, even after he dropped his.

Bbqxena_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I haven't had that happen to me, but I've always been a fan of outlawing those stupid guns...it's just a matter of time before someone gets shot and killed. When he was walking towards you and not knowing if he had a second gun (good point) or if his buddy had a different gun or pick up the one he put down.........aaaaand depending on your state laws... I would say you're more than justified in stepping up the force in not just detaining him. That is an extremely hard scenario with a ball of emotions and unknowns running through your head at once that need immediate response...

I think I would have (15yrs or not) probably hit him as hard as I could and let his unconsciouse body hit the ground... then his buddy would have seen that this is not a game and more than likely would have complied. Would you fade some serious heat? Absolutely, because the average citizen does not realize that you were justified (according to the scenario and details you gave) in deadly force......his behavior was obviously not normal and a prudent person would agree that this is not normal behavior...

I give an extreme reaction, because you thought it was real, civilian(s) thought it was real......and if it was real and you get into a ground fight with an idiot that does have a real gun....with his buddy in close proximity.....we might be reading another officer death posting....sometimes we have no choice and you can't take the chance...too many lives present (civilians, yours and suspects)

Some of the citizens obviously agreed with you since they thought it was a gun too......given the scenario and circumstances, it sounded like Mr. 15 yr old just stepped into "Big-Boy" World scenario and laying him out would've been fine.....

Civilians would see it as the "Sheep Dog" mentality....Officer being Sheep Dog - they know what your job is for... they know you have to bite sometimes, but when you do......it's not pretty......they want your help, but don't like to watch what officers sometimes have no choice in doing to keep the peace....

Glad you're okay and don't beat yourself up......because that would throw a veteran off his game for atleast a few seconds...

My opinion anyway...

1z6tp9w_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I am with tat2 dont beat yourself up. GLAD YOU ARE OK ; > ) be safe

Jesse_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Well I didn't go into detail about the detaining part, lets just say he was picked up and brought down very, very hard, LOL. luckily when we landed we were not too far away from the gun that he dropped so at least I could still keep a good eye on it. luckily no one ran towards it and tried to pick it up.

Bbqxena_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Then in my opinion, you handled it perfectly and their family should be thanking you for your restraint on not shooting their mis-guided child...Great Job...! Be Safe migo...

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Three months ago there was a call from a parent who saw a kid in the parking lot of the high school stick a pistol in his waistband and walk into the school. All she could tell us was that the kid had dark, shaggy hair and was wearing a black shirt and blue jeans. Once everybody (and I do mean EVERYBODY) arrived at the school, we went in and pretty much started patting down every student that fit the description given. We made our way towards the auditorium when this idiot came out of a room holding this gun. Seven of us were drawn and about ready to dump this kid, when he decided that it would be in his best interest to put the damn thing on the ground and prone out. Turns out that the gun was also airsoft and was to be used as a prop in a play that the drama club was performing. The kid just used piss poor judgement when it came to how others would interpret what he was doing.

We actually all got complaints filed on us from students and staff, because the morons though that we were "too aggressive". Of course this was before Virginia Tech. Wonder how they feel now?

Jesse_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Thanks Cecilia, I am ok . I just cant believe that a kid would act like that Knowing there is a chance that he could be shot. He acted like he wasn't even scared, kinda makes me wonder what kind of enviorment he was raised in.

1z6tp9w_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

they prob feel thankfull hahahah

Bbqxena_max50

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GTS - and if it was real, yawl would've been hero's......that's so typical isn't......oh well, it shouldn't surprise us by now and if I was you're Sergeant you all would've had Letters of Commendation for your tactical response and ability to work as a Team........I guess you can mark that down as a "Real World Training Scenario..."

I am truely shocked those stupid guns are not outlaw'd.....

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Nothing ever came of the complaints, the Sheriff and Chief Deputy knew what had happened and we were not faulted for any action. I agree, it's a typical "sheep" response. 1*!

Some of the bangers around here are actually painting the end of their guns with the blaze orange paint, so that their "homie blasters" look like airsoft guns.

Bbqxena_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

That's crazy...I'll let my guys know about that in next briefing....thanks for the heads up......and I feel ya on the 1* Be safe brother...

1z6tp9w_max50

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well i am going to bed. Every one please be safe out there have a good night : > )

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Personally I do have many realistic looking airsofts gun due to the fact that my parents aren’t found of real guns. (Can’t blame em.) My friends and I will on accession have wars. All of our guns are either clear or have a florescent orange tip. Now I do have a pellet/ BB gun and I have gotten some weird looks from neighbors b/c I shoot at a big foam target in my ally pined up onto a big wood palled in a small brick housing. I respect even these weapons and try my hardest to not let these to be seen and, mistaken as real guns. It's happened to my friends often b/c hey cut through front lawns. I stick to the alleys of suburban North Dallas.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

People still don't think kids can kill. They think if it is a young kid he/she would never shoot an officer because he/she is a kid. They also for some idiotic reason think if the kid did shoot it wouldn't be as bad as an adult shooting because 'he's just a kid."...I have yet to figure that one out. They want LEO to stop a kid from shooting kids and other adults as long as they are civilians but they always seem to ask "couldn't the cop have done some other way to stop him?" if deadly force is used to save the cops life.

In addition, kid think they are invincible. They think because of their age that nothing can happen to them even when they see other kids killed.

As i tell the guys in our area, I don't care how old the suspect is if he/she has a weapon and refuses to drop it, do what you have to do. I want you guys going home to your families. Stay Safe!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I'm glad it worked out, JD.

It is important that you go home to your family safe and sound at the end of the shift. That should be #1 priority for cops IMO.

The kids don't react properly because they have no concept of the realities you deal with.

The public is blaming because they have no concept of the realities you deal with.

But those ARE reality, and you have to do what you have to do.

Here in the Buffalo area an officer was left quadriplegic after a shooting last December. They had a fight call-- no big deal in the area she was working in-- and when they arrived at the scene, they were told the person they needed to go after had gone down the street. They went down the street, saw someone matching the description and stopped him. He appeared to be compliant at first, but as they searched him he pulled a gun, shot her, hitting her chin and going through to her spine. Her partner, who grabbed the guy, took him down, and HUNG ON, was shot multiple times and could EASILY have been killed or left in the same condition as his partner. Back-up arrived and got the shooter, who was 19 IIRC. He had not actually been involved in the fight, just happened to be in the area where the fight had happened and matched the description. And was illegally carrying and knew he was going to prison when the gun was discovered.

THAT is the reality you have to deal with.

If kids and the public don't know that yet, they will have to be educated, and I hate to see officers having to pay for the lesson!

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Same thing happend here in Chicago this year. A person flagged down a cop and point out a young kid and stated that he has a gun and attempted to rob someone down the block. Cops pull up on the kid and the kid pulled out the gun and he was shot. It turned out to be a BB gun that looked just like the real thing. People in Cabrini Greens went to the media and said the kid was shot because of his skin color. The media ate it up.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

In the academy, I had an officer tell us that once a young kid (I'm thinking he said 12 or such) was behind a 7-11 at night. The kid had a gun and officer said the kid wouldn't listen to him when he told him to drop it. The kid walked up to him with it pointed at him and the officer said he was definitely about to shoot when the kid finally got close but something told him not to. Turns out it was a water gun that had been painted black. He would have had every justification to kill that kid but he said something told him not to. Kid was lucky... real lucky. So was the officer. It's a sad sad world out there.

When airsoft first started getting big, my fears were that they'd be mistaken for real guns... then I started thinking more that real guns could now start being mistaken for airsoft... and according to the above, i wasn't too far off in that thinking. It's just so sad what's happening.

Be safe everyone... My prayer's go out to everyone every night for the strength and courage to face what we all do daily and for an angel to protect us when something goes amiss. Take care!


"Indecision may or may not be my problem." ~ Jimmy Buffett

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Had this happen to me in Iraq acutally. Long Long story short, I was out on a foot patrol bout, 8 K's northwest of Balad AB, and this kid comes out of a house with his hands behind his back with a grin on his face. Im currently surrounded by kids wanting candy so im having to feed this poor little suckers something before they tear me apart while at the same time watch my pockets as well as my buddies. so anyway this kid who was close to 14 im guessing gets about 12 feet from me and pulls out this AK-47 and points it at my buddy who had his back to the kid. So after my heart started beating again from the sheer shock of this i pulled my M9 cocked the hammer and began to depress the trigger. M9's on single action have a 5 to 7 pound trigger pull FYI. The kid pulled the triigger and an airsoft pellet pegged my buddy in the back of the head. One pound of pressure move and he would had another hole to breath out of. I Almost droped my pistol when i saw this and got weak in th knees. This was the first time i ever had to point a live weapon at a human being thinking i was about to end this persons life to save one of my own. Well the kid and all the other Iraqi people around began to laugh, but quickly stopped laughing when my buddy turned around and plowed this butt into the ground. It was very un nerving to me an my squad. I think airsoft is a fine sport however, i strongly feel that these should be treated as any other firearm. People shouldnt just be pointing a weapon around like that.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Wow methodeous. I had no idea sirsoft guns had even made it to Iraq!

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I hate these freakin guns. They should not make them look so real. I had some problems for the rest of the shift, and even when I got home several weeks ago because I almost shot a 10 year old because someone called the police and said that there was a kid with a gun, and he was threatening people with it. When I arrived, I fully expected to see a toy gun, but the gun that he had looked as real as the one that I had, and he was pointing it at other kids. I hate those guns.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Airsoft guns have been overthere for a long time actually, they only became popular in the USA about 7 years ago. Other countrys have had them since the 80's, like Japan and China.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

WOW!! I have basically stoped with buying them. Now that I just got a BB gun and I started to move away from shooting them. It seems people in my neighbor hood are starting to get upset and I dont want to be on the other end of a police officers weapon.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

Distraction techniques are taught and practiced quite often on the street and could be a college level course in prison. He may have been testing himself on his latest technique and gauging your response. You showed allot of restraint and the bottom line is you went home at the end of the shift.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I agree with ESUTRUCK4, Kids today are not like we were. They have no boundries and don't fully grasp the seriousness of what they are doing. The great part of the story is you went home in one piece, as we say go home the way you came in. Every one stay vigilant.

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

alr357, not all of us kids are like that....

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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

10-4 SuperTrooper, I did not mean to put all kids in that category. Keep that same attitude and you will go far.

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10-4

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Wow, i cant believe im about the actually say this, or type it rather. If it wasnt for those damn video games and dang ole TV shows, these children wouldnt be acting this way.


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Rate This | Posted about 7 years ago

 

I truely agree. (I know first hand-- I'm 16). There are so many games that promote violence towards people, especially police officers, and it gets me mad. I'm not saying I don't play video games, they're fun, but I have limits, set by me and my parents. I believe it pays to have a father who is a police officer. I am an all around better kid than many others. As far as TV shows, there's not enough room to type..

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